Fun fact, a perfect morning could clinch it for penn state, regardless or what the *ucknuts do
Ohio State will have earned this NCAAs
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I can elaborate, it’s within reason, if osu finishes with 5 3rd and 1 4th, then we would need Bo and 2 other champs to win. That’s all sans bonus, as I don’t believe there is a lot of bonus (if any) left for osu
Zain will win with a pin and Nolf by major. Hall and Bo with tight wins and Cenzo drops a close one.
But, to my point, if osu completely tanks and goes 6th place across the board, they have lost the championship. They can’t win it in the medal rounds, but the possibility is there to lose it.
I guess I didn’t understand what you meant by “it doesn’t matter what the bucknuts do”. I thought you were discounting their wrestleback points saying they didn’t matter if NLee won tie matches by fall and both RShakur and NNevills won their single match by fall. That’s what I thought you meant by perfect for PSU.
I forgot to say no matter what they do in the finals. My bad. The rocks have been rolling
But I thought the 50 max points gap was unassailable?
And some little kid in Africa just earned himself tOSU championship t-shirt!
Got him!!!!!! Haha - he sent this Fri afternoon. Hilarious stupidity - truly rivals anything I’ve seen on a football game thread.
Ghost is either a Russian Bot or Jake Ryan
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I missed the Ohio State Era.
Don't worry. They're still ranked #1 on Flo.
Yea an the final total was ???? The National tournament i guess you watched the first day and half of the final day PSU another team title but bucknutzs is right there i guess
The Buckeyes certainly earned second place. They will continue to earn second place for many years to come. The Ohio State Bridesmaids.
The question for Tom Ryan now, is whether he should punt on next season or not. Nearly everyone I've heard from on national wrestling commentary, feels he should punt and make a run in 2020. We'll find out this off season what he decides to do. If he tries again in 2019, most feel his ceiling is 2nd, or more likely 3rd, behind Iowa.
A lot of people are anointing Okie St. as possible challengers next year. I'm not buying it. Can the additions of Fix, Gfeller, and Jojo at a sucked down 157 jump them from 13th to 2nd? I don't think so, not the way the Pokes have been wrestling in March as of late.
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Ohio State has some tough competition for that 2nd place finish next season. Iowa, Michigan with their new transfer, Oklahoma State, all will put lineups out there that will not only limit their points, but in some cases, potentially block some Ohio State guys from higher spots on the podium. Ryan should punt, that's the objective viewpoint from here.
Oklahoma State could put a good wrestler at each weight class next year.
125 - Fix
133 - Brock
141 - Gfeller
149 - Lewallen/Martinez
157 - Lewallen/Martinez
165 - Joe Smith
174 - Rogers
184 - Jacobe Smith
197 - Weigel
285 - White
Martinez is a Boise St transfer, good wrestler. This assumes that Rogers and Jacobe Smith move up and either Lewallen or Martinez. Not sure where Piccininni fits, if at all. Very solid lineup.
Piccininni at 125 and bump everyone up 1 weight thru 157.
They could also run Wittlake out at 184.
Does anyone else think where they all go is sort of dependent on Fix? They have one lineup with Fix at 125, and then they seem like they have a totally different lineup with Fix at 133. The "Cowboy Domino" theory for 2019, if you will...
Even with that scenario Jefe, I don't see a National Champ from Stillwater. Maybe Fix at 133, maybe. Gross and Micic are the favorites in my opinion. How many points would Jojo score at 165 next year? Is Wittlake gonna beat Bo or Myles (red shirt possibility aside?). Yeah, I guess the Pokes could finish 2nd in a perfect storm, but I don't see them being a threat.
People forget that Tom Ryan can't just 'decide' to punt on his own. What if Myles Martin doesn't want to redshirt? Or the others? These guys might want to get on with their lives... especially any who are not getting full scholarships. It's not like these guys have millions waiting for them when they graduate, or they will be improving their draft prospects by winning a National Championship. At what point does wrestling take a back seat?
McKenna and Martin are the keys. Two guys who will be favored to reach the finals, or two guys who could RS.
I think the temptation to make another run will be too much for Ryan to resist. He's got Romero at 174 and Singletary at 285, after that he's not above plugging true Fr into the line-up.
They could probably make a run for 110-120 points. Unfortunately for them our floor is at about 130.
I should try to get up to speed on Romero. What are his credentials, as I realize only the bare minimum that he is a promising recruit. Do people feel that he will better the point total of Bo Jordan? If so, that is very, very high praise indeed: Bo Jordan made the NCAA final two years ago, and was ranked as high as 3rd this season for a good part of the season. Do folks feel like Romero is going to be at that level? If so, again, very impressive.
As far as Singletary and Malik Heinselmann go, while I don't know too much about either, I'm fairly certain that neither is coming close to their predecessors in terms of individual point totals. Perhaps the temptation involves the anticipated improved totals from others, but honestly, are those going to be significant enough? Myles made the finals, Pletcher took 4th place, McKenna took 3rd place, Micah made the podium.
Romero was a 4x OH state champ, undefeated last 2 years, #1 or #2 nationally at his weight. Bio says he did not give up an offensive point his SR year. Lost a close decision to Labriola at Dapper Dan. He should be real good, though never know how quickly. Podium potential but wouldn't surprise me either way next year.
Heinselman is a world team member. Potential to AA if he starts but might need to add some weight. Won't be as god as Tomasello, at least not immediately. If the rumors are true than Ryan is looking at a 125 transfer, someone who's a solid starter but not a world-beater, that speaks volumes about 125 next year.
Singletary has the credentials but did not have a great tanshirt year. Great record but empty, no good wins, a couple bad losses. I expect him to start (he did beat Kevin Snyder) but do not see him on the podium next year unless he catches some breaks at nationals -- though to be fair, it is HWT ... conceivable that he could go on a run of 1-takedown matches. No way he approaches Snyder though.
Heinselman is a world team member. Potential to AA if he starts but might need to add some weight. Won't be as god as Tomasello, at least not immediately. If the rumors are true than Ryan is looking at a 125 transfer, someone who's a solid starter but not a world-beater, that speaks volumes about 125 next year.
Singletary has the credentials but did not have a great tanshirt year. Great record but empty, no good wins, a couple bad losses. I expect him to start (he did beat Kevin Snyder) but do not see him on the podium next year unless he catches some breaks at nationals -- though to be fair, it is HWT ... conceivable that he could go on a run of 1-takedown matches. No way he approaches Snyder though.
HR is planning on 150 from the Hawkeyes next year so everyone else should punt.... 
No I don't see them getting back all the points lost at 125/174/hwt. That's why I put their ceiling at 120. Ryan does have a few more options though. Sasso is a true fr who could be an immediate upgrade at 149. Ryan could test the waters early then decide to put him in for Hayes.
Nah, not HR. Just their 60 year old "big donor", who challenges people to wrestling matches. He was actually so confident in 150, he would only wager at 135. I still think he'd lose. That's a lot of points! That board is a riot sometimes.HR is planning on 150 from the Hawkeyes next year so everyone else should punt....
Quality analysis, thank you for the information. Did not realize how dominant Romero was, also did not realize he lost to Labriola. They may have good reason for the optimism for Romero to approach Bo Jordans' points.
As I suspected, they probably won't get close at 125, and they definitely won't come anywhere near the points at Heavyweight. If, as you say, the rumors turn out that Ryan looks for a transfer at 125, I wonder if that means he isn't punting? My first guess would be, that signals he's going all in again. Man, I just don't see it, but it's very early then again in the off season, which is, of course, for speculation lol.
I do think the race between Iowa, tOSU and OSU for 2nd will be exciting and interesting for all. Although we are clearly at another level, one key injury can bring is back to the field so let's take nothing for granted
You just have to shake your head sometimes. 150 with at least 3 soft spots and expecting big points from Lugo and Young
Stoll might not score 29 points in the month of February.
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