This was a coordinated effort all game long to give the game to Auburn. I think the only game that be can say that comes close to this was 14 Ohio State.
On the lost down.
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Ok, then all I can say is that I don't think you remember '02 and '05 Michigan all that well.
'05 Michigan was literally, we are not going to let you go undefeated come hell or high water.
Unfathomable. It is beyond comprehension and can not be a coincidence. Do you think a down was lost yesterday in pee wee football? Maybe. But in NCAA, D-1 on national television? You can’t make this up. And this was not even tbe Big10 refs…although SEC is crookedly protecting their own.
As I I popped In to say in the game thread, I’m not a “blame the refs” guy. That said, last night’s officiating wasn't just biased or incompetent, it was transparent cheating. Hard for me to look at it any other way, honestly.
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This.
I would take it a step further. Officials should not be associated with a conference.
There is no way to have trust in the officiating without this. Both fanbases will think they were robbed as bad calls get made both ways. Last night favored Auburn for sure, but we could pick just about any game and at least one side is going to think they got hosed through bias or cheating.
It's like the Ethics Policy we had in a large corporation that employed me. We were not to allow so much as the perception of being unethical, much less commit any true violations. Those days are probably gone in Corporate America now as well.
Fowler replayed it for all of us on TV. They showed it was clearly 3rd down when punt occurred. They also showed the marker showing 3rd down. Where the 4th down thinking even came from is strange. that was so simple, you only have to count to 3. maybe counting to 4 is challenging, but 3 is the largest number needed.
It would be interesting to see what happened in the replay booth. I assume they have the same capability that Fowler had to cover each play. Also, there is a play by play statistician somewhere who would know what play it was.
This game will be remembered in history much like the 2014 OSU game, where hard video evidence supports only two possibilities ...
Gross incompetence or cheating? It has to be one or the other.
In both cases it's a firing offense that we know won't happen. History has shown that it won't happen even for an in-conference game.
A sign of the times.
Really too bad because there is nothing like the spectacle and pageantry of a white-out game.
Gross incompetence or cheating? It has to be one or the other.
In both cases it's a firing offense that we know won't happen. History has shown that it won't happen even for an in-conference game.
A sign of the times.
Really too bad because there is nothing like the spectacle and pageantry of a white-out game.
Correct, there is someone assigned to keep the Official "Play-by-Play Line" as well as the "Box Score" (the two work off of each other and have to agree). The notion that it took a punt and all the media timeouts on change of possession to figure it out (which is what the SEC PR said) is such laughable bullshit, or isn't even funny. If all of the Officials unanimously agreed on their laughable, non-reality "Correctness" - again, they all unanimously agreed according to SEC Statement - why on earth would they still be looking at it 5 minutes later???? It takes about 30 seconds to fast reverse the video and count 2 plays!!!, but according to the absurd SEC Statement, it took them nearly 5 minutes to realize they made a mistake on a call that 5 minutes prior when it actually mattered, they were in ADAMAMENT CONCENSUS that they had called correctly???? Why would it even be being looked at 5 minutes later given the absurd explanation the SEC provided????
Nah…. No apology necessary. Hard to read sarcasm in text.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas right? Well…. What happens post-whiteout stays post-whiteout.
Here’s what really bothers me: If what happened was not an accident, the refs and/or conference would have to have believed that they could get away with something as egregious as what we witnessed last night. And the scary thing is, if it was on purpose, they actually did get away with it since it happened. And if it was incompetence, what bothers me about that is that there was no mechanism for correcting such a blatant error.
The lesson? Exactly what we’ve been talking about since we joined the Big 10 - it’s absolutely possible for a team, conference, or ref crew to screw a team during a game.
The lesson? Exactly what we’ve been talking about since we joined the Big 10 - it’s absolutely possible for a team, conference, or ref crew to screw a team during a game.
2005 PSU-Michigan is the most crooked college football game ever officiated.
I am 100% sure. I re-watched it almost immediately.
Intentional grounding was 1st down.
Short pass to Dotson was 2nd down.
Then the punt.
Was 2014 OSU the one where the clock had expired 4 seconds before the FG was kicked? And where OSU was given a second chance in the red zone when we were called for leaping?
I was watching the SEC channel this morning… the SEC conference announced there several games yesterday that the officials blew call … I’m assuming the PSU vsAuburn game was at the top of that list.
Also the interception early in the first quarter (obviously trapped) giving OSU the ball on our 39 yard line. Apparently the replay booth’s video monitor wasn’t working and they could not technically call a reversal or non-catch. OSU scored a TD on this non-interception to take an early 7-0 lead.
In the words of Maxwell Smart: The old "replay camera wasn't working" trick.
Thanks. I posted that before I rewatched it and wasn’t 100% sure of what had happened.
2005. Heel/toe with Avant. Replay was available and there was a clear angle available. No review, no hesitation. I didn’t know the rule so I didn’t think about at the time.
I actually heard one of the rules gurus explain the rule yesterday when a touchdown was waved off.
I actually heard one of the rules gurus explain the rule yesterday when a touchdown was waved off.
I thought that was the worst spot I’d ever seen in a football game. I saw a replay today and our TE was upright at the 5 yard line and fell to the 1 or the 2 at the worst. As you said, they placed the ball at the 4. Indefensible terrible job.
And Hart fumbling that was not called that PSU recovered. Big 10 used a $200 Tivo, everyone else used a real replay system. The big 10 botched the usc Texas bowl game with it.
and the extra two seconds that Witvoet added for no reason; followed by the game-ending TD being scored with one second left.
There were repeated terrible spots that always benefited Michigan, lots of clock shenanigans, and also missed penalties on the final kickoff to Michigan.
Good call, I noticed that too. He definitely got inside the 4.
There also was the Auburn favorable spot on either their first or 2nd TD drive. 2nd down play in which at this point they had routinely gotten about 6 yards to create 3rd and 1 or 2 on previous downs. On this play it is a pass that goes for about 6 yards but then the guy back pedals and gives up a couple yards. Yet miraculously wouldn't you know it, the spot is where he caught it essentially ignoring the give back in yardage making it a very makeable 3rd and 1 or maybe less than 1 versus third and 3. I guess they were too lazy and just figured every 3rd down would just be 1 yard for them. Not saying we were for sure going to stop them on a 3rd and 3 but sure is tougher than a 3rd and 1. Were these guys even watching the game. It's not like they have a clear view of anything for crying out loud.
And nobody yet has mentioned the uncalled false start on Auburn in the second half. It was even replayed on the stadium video screen.
That one was bad (and would have negated a 16 yard pass completion and a 1st down) but they also missed a false start on AU's 2nd TD.
I was screaming about that last night as it happened. How no one noticed is beyond me. Someone should put together a video of all these horrible calls.
Call where PSU runner was marked short of 1st down depends on when ref blew whistle. Tough call.
No call on Auburn pass to the end zone was tough too. Lots of contact but who interfered with who? Those have gone against us in the past.
Critical pass interference against Auburn that got us out of our end zone was big. It was the right call but isn't always called in that situation.
Targeting against Auburn was a tough call but those have gone against us in two games. The ball wasn't moved half the distance IMO.
The no call on Nix for grounding was wrong. He wasn't outside the tackle box but at least it was somewhat close.
The grounding call on Clifford when Washington cut off his route was pretty bad. I've never seen that called.
Getting screwed out of a down was inexcusable. I understand how a ref can get confused but I don't understand how 4 of them can get it wrong.
Personal foul on B. Smith was a horrible call but I can see how the ref was fooled. It looked like he was going to hit him out of bounds but really just reached out and barely touched him.
No call on Auburn pass to the end zone was tough too. Lots of contact but who interfered with who? Those have gone against us in the past.
Critical pass interference against Auburn that got us out of our end zone was big. It was the right call but isn't always called in that situation.
Targeting against Auburn was a tough call but those have gone against us in two games. The ball wasn't moved half the distance IMO.
The no call on Nix for grounding was wrong. He wasn't outside the tackle box but at least it was somewhat close.
The grounding call on Clifford when Washington cut off his route was pretty bad. I've never seen that called.
Getting screwed out of a down was inexcusable. I understand how a ref can get confused but I don't understand how 4 of them can get it wrong.
Personal foul on B. Smith was a horrible call but I can see how the ref was fooled. It looked like he was going to hit him out of bounds but really just reached out and barely touched him.
The ABC replay on Mustipher run showed whistle blew after he was well past the yard to gain. Fowler made that comment. Maybe the excuse was that wasn't the whistle and they blew it before the last push.
I thought the refs went into kind of make up mode towards the end. I think starting with the targeting call they realized that PSU had gotten no calls, none. Thus every call after that went our way. Not saying they were horribly bad calls in our favor but the targeting was close. I thought the no PI call in the end zone was absolutely right. Nix air mailed it so much it could have been uncatchable. The Dotson PI play on our last possession was a bit iffy, imo.
Back to the make up call mentality by these clown refs. I shutter at the thought if we were the ones getting the close calls that Auburn got and the game was still the same score with the sequence at the end. I bet they call PI on us there and set them up first and goal from the one.
They obviously forgot about that mandate when they gave Auburn 15 yards when Snith put his 3 fingers on Nix shoulder pad and Nix launched himself onto the bench.
Do any of you remember Colorado scoring and winning on 5th down, I believe over Nebraska!!!
There were at least three flags thrown on that play. It wasn't one ref making a make-up call.
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