One thing to keep an eye on...

[PennSt8er]

...is when the alumni trustees finally take control of the board (it's no longer if, it is now when)...will Barron leave? I would guess he will be asked to at this point. It'll be an interesting transition period when it happens (and I'm guessing we are about 18 months or less away at this point).

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

...is when the alumni trustees finally take control of the board (it's no longer if, it is now when)...will Barron leave? I would guess he will be asked to at this point. It'll be an interesting transition period when it happens (and I'm guessing we are about 18 months or less away at this point).

Why would he be asked to leave? What dream reality are we talking about here?

 

[PSU-Knocker]

So you're thinking the outstanding trials will conclude within 18 months? There is an obvious attempt to delay these trials and I wish I knew who was behind this. Someone or "someones" is pulling some strings.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Why do you think the alumni trustees will control the board? What has changed?

 

[PennSt8er]

Lack of trust and incompatibility.

 

[PennSt8er]

Why do you think the alumni trustees will control the board? What has changed?

They will get access to the raw Freeh files. That is a game-changer. Plus the Paterno suit will get momentum as will the Spanier suit. The writing is on the wall for those paying attention closely.

 

[Ranger Dan]

They will get access to the raw Freeh files. That is a game-changer. Plus the Paterno suit will get momentum as will the Spanier suit. The writing is on the wall for those paying attention closely.

Color me doubtful. I'll believe it when I see it happen.

 

[bwifan]

They will get access to the raw Freeh files. That is a game-changer. Plus the Paterno suit will get momentum as will the Spanier suit. The writing is on the wall for those paying attention closely.

Agreed it is moving in a positive direction the old guard is going to fight this every step of the way. Eventually they will be overwhelmed with evidence against them and will seek other pastures quietly behind closed doors.

 

[PennSt8er]

All you have to do is read the court filings in the other thread to see that the game has changed.

 

[jerseylion109]

ive been hearing this for 4 years now....nothing has changed

 

[Obliviax]

Barron is the board's employee. he simply does as he is told. He has no other option. You and I'd do the same; the best you can with a bad situation. Getting fired isn't going to do PSU any good.

Barron's actions, or lack thereof, are dictated by the board. We, or a new board, should that come to pass, shouldn't hold that against him.

 

[WeR0206]

...is when the alumni trustees finally take control of the board (it's no longer if, it is now when)...will Barron leave? I would guess he will be asked to at this point. It'll be an interesting transition period when it happens (and I'm guessing we are about 18 months or less away at this point).

Great question. I too have wondered the very same thing. It became 100% clear that Barron is aligned with the OG Bot when he chastised the alum reps for suing PSU to get accesss to the full freeh base files. Once he did that I thought that once the alum reps get rid of the OG BOT and regain control of the BOT, Barron will be gone.

Barron has shown his true colors and isn't looking out for the best interests of PSU, only the interests of his masters on the OG BOT.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Barron is the board's employee. he simply does as he is told. He has no other option. You and I'd do the same; the best you can with a bad situation. Getting fired isn't going to do PSU any good.

Barron's actions, or lack thereof, are dictated by the board. We, or a new board, should that come to pass, shouldn't hold that against him.

Really? A person should not have character? Just go along regardless of circumstance? Perpetuate a wrong?

What a great society we have.

 

[PennSt8er]

I know the old guard's days are numbered. I am speculating that Barron's are too. I would have fired him already for blatantly lying about a review of Freeh. You do not make that public statement and then renege without a public apology and a reason for the change of heart. You can write today down that I predict he has 18 months. We will check back later on it.

 

[BobPSU92]

Agreed it is moving in a positive direction the old guard is going to fight this every step of the way. Eventually they will be overwhelmed with evidence against them and will seek other pastures quietly behind closed doors.

Expect more building namings.

 

[bjf1984]

All you have to do is read the court filings in the other thread to see that the game has changed.

From your lips to God's ears St8er.

I certainly hope so....and, like you, I am heartened by the apparent progress in a couple of the legal proceedings.....but I am still a LOOOOOONG way from counting any chickens.
At the same time.....I am weary (but not despondent) wrt the length of the fight for so many of the basic righteous things - BOT reform legislation in HBurg, real support from Gov Wolf, etc.

I hope that is my natural cynicism showing through, and that you are correct.

______________________________________________

As far as Barron is concerned:

IF the Scoundrels do indeed lose control, all that it would take to send Barron packing is to pay him his $1 Million "retention" bonus up front......and I am sure the Bloviator would be happy to slink away....to go party with his boy Kim Jong.

Can you imagine those two "separated at birth" rascals tearing it up in Las Vegas!!!!

That would be the most well-spent $1 Million since 2011.

 

[Obliviax]

Really? A person should not have character? Just go along regardless of circumstance? Perpetuate a wrong?

What a great society we have.

well...all I can say is, IMHO, you are quite naive. so lets say Barron speaks out, the board fires him and hires in another puppet....what has been gained? If you are Barron, you are better off to do what you are told and work the problem internally to try and improve the situation from inside. Is that what he is doing? I have no idea. But getting fired isn't going to do anyone any good at this point.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

well...all I can say is, IMHO, you are quite naive. so lets say Barron speaks out, the board fires him and hires in another puppet....what has been gained? If you are Barron, you are better off to do what you are told and work the problem internally to try and improve the situation from inside. Is that what he is doing? I have no idea. But getting fired isn't going to do anyone any good at this point.

What is the saying; all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Yeah "naïve".

 

[Obliviax]

What is the saying; all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Yeah "naïve".

Who said he is doing nothing? Yep, if you get fired, you'll certainly be "doing nothing." My question is, are you better off to try and do something internally and quietly, or do nothing by getting fired?

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Who said he is doing nothing? Yep, if you get fired, you'll certainly be "doing nothing." My question is, are you better off to try and do something internally and quietly, or do nothing by getting fired?

What is it that you think he's doing "internally and quietly"?

 

[Obliviax]

What is it that you think he's doing "internally and quietly"?

I have no idea...but if I were in his position, whatever I was doing to fight the old guard BOT for the good of the university, I wouldn't be public about it. Because, as i said, he'd be the "former" president of PSU in a new york eyelash. Then he'd be powerless to do anything at all. He really has no options.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Remember, the Board of Trustees initially wanted to hire fellow scumbag David Smith to serve their agenda. Thankfully, he was exposed as a white-collar criminal in the very 11th hour. They wound up having to settle on Barron, who, in my opinion, had good intentions and understood the great divide between Penn State alumni and its trustees. Barron wanted to help both sides find a middle ground, and that's when he offered the following promise before getting curb-stomped back into place by the old guard #PSUBoT.

Statement from Penn State President Eric Barron
November 15, 2014

In response to recent calls for an examination of the Freeh Report, Penn State President Eric Barron said he will conduct a review of the report and materials from the investigation.

STATEMENT BY PENN STATE PRESIDENT ERIC BARRON

On Friday, I informed the University's Board of Trustees that I will conduct a thorough review of the Freeh Report and supporting materials produced during the course of the investigation. The contents of the report have led to questions by some in the Penn State community. I do not want people to believe that Penn State is hiding something. I feel strongly about this. For this important reason, and since I was not here during its completion, I will conduct my own review. There is considerable documentation to analyze, but I assured the Board I would move with all deliberate speed.

Eric J. Barron

 

[Zenophile]

Remember, the Board of Trustees initially wanted to hire fellow scumbag David Smith to serve their agenda. Thankfully, he was exposed as a white-collar criminal in the very 11th hour. They wound up having to settle on Barron, who, in my opinion, had good intentions and understood the great divide between Penn State alumni and its trustees. Barron wanted to help both sides find a middle ground, and that's when he offered the following promise before getting curb-stomped back into place by the old guard #PSUBoT.

Statement from Penn State President Eric Barron
November 15, 2014

In response to recent calls for an examination of the Freeh Report, Penn State President Eric Barron said he will conduct a review of the report and materials from the investigation.

STATEMENT BY PENN STATE PRESIDENT ERIC BARRON

On Friday, I informed the University's Board of Trustees that I will conduct a thorough review of the Freeh Report and supporting materials produced during the course of the investigation. The contents of the report have led to questions by some in the Penn State community. I do not want people to believe that Penn State is hiding something. I feel strongly about this. For this important reason, and since I was not here during its completion, I will conduct my own review. There is considerable documentation to analyze, but I assured the Board I would move with all deliberate speed.

Eric J. Barron

+1

 

[LafayetteBear]

Agreed it is moving in a positive direction the old guard is going to fight this every step of the way. Eventually they will be overwhelmed with evidence against them and will seek other pastures quietly behind closed doors.

That movement seems glacial from my perspective. I love Ranger Dan's posts in this thread. LOL, it felt like he was channeling my very thoughts with what he was typing. But PennSt8er, I sure do hope you turn out to be right.

 

[bjf1984]

I have no idea...but if I were in his position, whatever I was doing to fight the old guard BOT for the good of the university, I wouldn't be public about it. Because, as i said, he'd be the "former" president of PSU in a new york eyelash. Then he'd be powerless to do anything at all. He really has no options.

Uh.....one problem:

He has NOT fought the Old Guard Scoundrels........vocally OR publically OR quietly OR discretely.

He has NOT even "done nothing"

He has consistently used his position to ASSIST the Old Guard Scoundrels in their prostitution of the University.

He has done that vocally AND publically.

________________________________________________________


Do we forget his efforts to jump up and cut off the Elected Trustees efforts to access the Freeh File (his "I'm gonna' do an investigation....so you'all rabble-rousers can just back down")?

Do we forget his "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" interview when he told the press that "We know the real truth....which we aren't gonna' tell you....but TRUST ME, the Old Guard Scoundrels are in the right"?

Do we not see him in his caucuses with the Old Guard Scoundrels - and their Whore in-house attorneys - plotting to sabotage every motion put forward by the Elected Trustees?

Do we not remember him shouting down PSU Alums.....claiming that THEY were harming the University?


I DO!! I see him for what he is.
He is EXACTLY what the Scoundrels paid him $6 Million to be.

F%CK Kim Jong Barron the Bloviator.

F%CK him!!




Other than that.....he's a lovely guy.

 

[94LionsFan]

I really don't know what to think about Barron. I knew him in his previous stint with the University, liked him and was very happy when he was named President.

Unfortunately, he's definitely taken some actions I disagreed with, particularly when he told the woman in the hallway of the Penn Stater that she was "ruining this University."

On the other hand, he did say he'd review the Freeh Report. He did come back later and make his statement that it "wasn't useful for decision making" and unfairly characterized the PSU community. (I still wonder if that statement was the result of his "review." Maybe once he dug into it he realized what a crock it was and that he couldn't announce a fuller set of conclusions without getting himself fired.) Anyway, he didn't need to do either of these things. I'm quite sure his predecessor wouldn't have.

I tend to agree with Obliviax. Thumbing your nose at your bosses is a lot easier said than done.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Barron is the board's employee. he simply does as he is told. He has no other option. You and I'd do the same; the best you can with a bad situation. Getting fired isn't going to do PSU any good.

Barron's actions, or lack thereof, are dictated by the board. We, or a new board, should that come to pass, shouldn't hold that against him.

I have to agree with Obli on this one... as I get more insight into the decision within my company, I see how much this whole business, and just about every publicly traded business are run. It's just like our poloticians in Washing DC or Harrisburg. The are put in positions of authority and responsibility because they have proven that they will execute the will of thier benefactors. This may be board of trustees, political parties/PACs, or the local school board. People don't really attain or retain great power and authority by "doing the right thing" all of the time. I think there is a limit in many cases where these "officials" (I had written leaders, but this is clearly not the case) won't cross. Maybe Spanier was a better man and wouldn't tow the party line from the old guard, but Barron will. In Barron's defense, he didn't throw anyone under the bus... he's maybe just too comfortable to ruffle the feathers that we would like.

 

[Aoshiro]

Barron is the board's employee. he simply does as he is told. He has no other option. You and I'd do the same; the best you can with a bad situation. Getting fired isn't going to do PSU any good.

Barron's actions, or lack thereof, are dictated by the board. We, or a new board, should that come to pass, shouldn't hold that against him.

Meh. I quit one job because I thought that the boss/owner was asking me to do something I considered unethical. Barron had a choice, and he chose wrong.

 

[bjf1984]

You have to put these things in context:


"On the other hand, he did say he'd review the Freeh Report"

When you were there, and saw the context, it was clear as a bell that this move by Barron was to serve ONE purpose.....to give the Scoundrels cover in refusing to provide the Freeh documents to the Elected Trustees.
I forget the exact month, but it was a plan devised in a caucus between Barron and the OG Scoundrels at the end of one of the BOT meetings.

I wrote something up about it at the time. Several of us were there at the time.

__________________________________________________________

"He did come back later and make his statement that it "wasn't useful for decision making" and unfairly characterized the PSU community. (I still wonder if that statement was the result of his "review." Maybe once he dug into it he realized what a crock it was and that he couldn't announce a fuller set of conclusions without getting himself fired.)"

The statement above was just in conjunction with trying to fall in line with the Scoundrels (again, you'd have to view it in its chronological context). It was the only way the scoundrels could come up with to try to take some of the pressure off of actually allowing a review to take place, and taking some pressure off of the "Hey Eric, how's that review coming along?" questions that he was facing.

Basically "Part 2" of "Part 1" discussed above.

As you may recall, at that same time, several of the Scoundrels themselves went out and echoed the same sentiment.....for the same reason.

Barron NEVER went down to Philly and reviewed the Freeh Documents (and he certainly never intended to).
Never did any review.

When he was asked about this stuff for publication to a wider audience, he gave his "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" bullshit.....which I imagine you've seen.

_______________________________________________


"Anyway, he didn't need to do either of these things".

Nope...he didn't. But he did....at the service of his Masters.

These Scoundrels rely on the fact that the large majority of folks just don't have the time/inclination to pay attention to all this stuff.
Most folks, justifiably, just want someone to give them some "good news".
Classic example......."4 0 9".

______________________________________________

"I'm quite sure his predecessor wouldn't have."

Nope.....not unless Dickless was still sitting in that Chair when the heat was turned up by the Elected Trustees.
If he was.....you can be damn sure he would have done the exact same things for the exact same reasons.

____________________________________________


"I tend to agree with Obliviax. Thumbing your nose at your bosses is a lot easier said than done."

I tend to disagree (LOL).....I don't think its hard at all, not when the alternative is to aid and abet a pack of Scumbag Scoundrels.

Good Lord....one way or another that is EXACTLY the type of thinking - by many folks - that put us all right into the situation we've been dealing with for the last 4 years.

When did we become such a society of groveling eunuchs??

Not hard at all....IMO.
As simple and as clear as the sh&t we claim to try to teach to our kids as they are growing up.....you know, that "do the right thing" stuff.

Depends on your perspective and values.
There are a lot of "jobs" out there.......but there is no prosthetic that can ever replace a sold soul.





No one has an obligation to critically evaluate any of this stuff......but it is what it is.

 

[nits74]

I have a different sort of question. When the Alumni Trustees start calling the shots. Who among the old guard "cracks" or "turns"? Any guesses?

When that happens, Katy bar the door!

Ned, I've been wondering that for awhile now also. However, some of those possibilities have already left.

 

[nits74]

Barron is the board's employee. he simply does as he is told. He has no other option. You and I'd do the same; the best you can with a bad situation. Getting fired isn't going to do PSU any good.

Barron's actions, or lack thereof, are dictated by the board. We, or a new board, should that come to pass, shouldn't hold that against him.

This I completely disagree with. Barron has talked out of both sides of his mouth with respect to this and will never regain the alumni's trust. He's a piece of garbage.

 

[91Joe95]

Barron is the board's employee. he simply does as he is told. He has no other option. You and I'd do the same; the best you can with a bad situation. Getting fired isn't going to do PSU any good.

Barron's actions, or lack thereof, are dictated by the board. We, or a new board, should that come to pass, shouldn't hold that against him.

He's done a few things above and beyond the call of duty to the bot.

 

[WeR0206]

Meh. I quit one job because I thought that the boss/owner was asking me to do something I considered unethical. Barron had a choice, and he chose wrong.

Exactly. I'm not sure why some people keep making excuses for Barron.

For some reason Barron aligned himself with the non elected/non accountable OG BOT instead of the duly elected and accountable Alumni Trustees (who, by the way are ALSO his bosses). Once he did that he made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.

As I said earlier the last straw for me was when Barron PUBLICLY stated, via formal PSU press release, that this bosses (the alum trustees) shouldn't be suing PSU and were causing damage by doing so. He can have his own opinion but why in the eff would he send this message chastising his bosses to the entire PSU population? To be honest I'm shocked he didn't get fired after that stunt, and he probably would have if the OG BOT wasn't in control/directed him to do it.

After seeing how Barron has handled himself so far I'm not sure how the alum trustees could have any trust in him at all once they finally regain control of the BOT and cut out the cancer.

If Barron didn't like what the OG BOT was telling him to do/say then he always had the option to resign, instead of laying down with the dogs...it's what a person with integrity would do.

As the saying goes, if you lay with dogs you'll get fleas.

 

[91Joe95]

I have to agree with Obli on this one... as I get more insight into the decision within my company, I see how much this whole business, and just about every publicly traded business are run. It's just like our poloticians in Washing DC or Harrisburg. The are put in positions of authority and responsibility because they have proven that they will execute the will of thier benefactors. This may be board of trustees, political parties/PACs, or the local school board. People don't really attain or retain great power and authority by "doing the right thing" all of the time. I think there is a limit in many cases where these "officials" (I had written leaders, but this is clearly not the case) won't cross. Maybe Spanier was a better man and wouldn't tow the party line from the old guard, but Barron will. In Barron's defense, he didn't throw anyone under the bus... he's maybe just too comfortable to ruffle the feathers that we would like.

At some point the new board will have to decide if he's too tainted to maximize the fundraising campaign, whether people think he was put in an unfair position or not.

 

[bjf1984]

Exactly. I'm not sure why some people keep making excuses for Barron.

For some reason Barron aligned himself with the non elected/non accountable OG BOT instead of the duly elected and accountable Alumni Trustees (who, by the way are ALSO his bosses). Once he did that he made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.

As I said earlier the last straw for me was when Barron PUBLICLY stated, via formal PSU press release, that this bosses (the alum trustees) shouldn't be suing PSU and were causing damage by doing so. He can have his own opinion but why in the eff would he send this message chastising his bosses to the entire PSU population? To be honest I'm shocked he didn't get fired after that stunt, and he probably would have if the OG BOT wasn't in control/directed him to do it.

After seeing how Barron has handled himself so far I'm not sure how the alum trustees could have any trust in him at all once they finally regain control of the BOT and cut out the cancer.

If Barron didn't like what the OG BOT was telling him to do/say then he always had the option to resign, instead of laying down with the dogs...it's what a person with integrity would do.

As the saying goes, if you lay with dogs you'll get fleas.

Along those lines....my e-mail to Bloviator from last September.

Hopefully, will prove to be prophetic sooner rather than later:

______________________________________

From: B Fenchak
To: "Eric J. Barron" <ejb5@psu.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:59:18 PM

Eric -

The day of reckoning is coming for the Pirates you choose to lie down with. And probably sooner than you or they realize.

Ken and Karen will be skulking away soon, but many of their ilk will still be among your bedfellows when the hammer comes down.

When that day happens, I don't want to hear you claiming ignorance. Not a word. You have made an informed choice of your own free will, and I must admit, I look forward to the day you are swallowed up in the scandal that you have elected to abet.

Sleep well.

Barry

 

[BlueBand]

Meh. I quit one job because I thought that the boss/owner was asking me to do something I considered unethical. Barron had a choice, and he chose wrong.

I don't know what you do, but President of a top research university jobs don't come open every day. And maybe he knows the handwriting is on the wall (let's hope so) and that he won't have to deal with those in charge of the BOT much longer.

 

[94LionsFan]

Depends on your perspective and values.
There are a lot of "jobs" out there.......but there is no prosthetic that can ever replace a sold soul.

I agree that he could have turned down the job or quit. But another way of thinking about it is someone's going to get the job, so why not try to be less of a puppet than someone else might be. (I get that you probably think that's laughable in Barron's case.)

In any case, I think he's well down the list of bad actors here and am not sure that I'd insist on replacing him in the event that the good guys get control of the Board.

 

[PSUEngineerx2]

From your lips to God's ears St8er.

I certainly hope so....and, like you, I am heartened by the apparent progress in a couple of the legal proceedings.....but I am still a LOOOOOONG way from counting any chickens.
At the same time.....I am weary (but not despondent) wrt the length of the fight for so many of the basic righteous things - BOT reform legislation in HBurg, real support from Gov Wolf, etc.

I hope that is my natural cynicism showing through, and that you are correct.

______________________________________________

As far as Barron is concerned:

IF the Scoundrels do indeed lose control, all that it would take to send Barron packing is to pay him his $1 Million "retention" bonus up front......and I am sure the Bloviator would be happy to slink away....to go party with his boy Kim Jong.

Can you imagine those two "separated at birth" rascals tearing it up in Las Vegas!!!!

That would be the most well-spent $1 Million since 2011.

I look at the whole situation in simpler terms which helps me carry on......we are now much closer to the end of this fight than we are to the beginning.

It may still take some time, but we're getting closer and closer now. Hang in there my friends.

 

[bjf1984]

I agree that he could have turned down the job or quit. But another way of thinking about it is someone's going to get the job, so why not try to be less of a puppet than someone else might be. (I get that you probably think that's laughable in Barron's case.)

In any case, I think he's well down the list of bad actors here and am not sure that I'd insist on replacing him in the event that the good guys get control of the Board.

Yes, I do (think that's laughable)....but we all have different levels of convictions.

I disagree with the premise that his only options were to "turn down the job or quit" (though either of those avenues would have been fine...and preferable to WHOREing himself out as a tool to be used by the metaphorical gang-rapers of Penn State's soul.). He could have - I know this might be a huge stretch for some - actually acted like a human being......and let the chips fall where they may (which probably means he gets the boot, but does so with his own soul intact).

But the Scoundrels (and anyone paying attention) knew that none of those were options.....since he was selected and paid because the Scoundrels knew exactly what they were buying.

I do agree with you that a WHORE like Barron is much further down the list than the folks who BUY and use the WHORE. He slides into the pecking order with the other WHORES.....including the nut-less majority of the upper-level PSU Administration, the George Mitchell's of the world, the mindless BOT sheeple - the Rucci/Cotner/Harpster/Rakowich/Huber/DeVinney/Caseys, the Louis Freehs, etc

Still, leaves him, IMHO, as a complete and utter scumbag (which, I guess, tells you how I feel about the puppet-masters).


Replacing him? Well that is all hugely hypothetical at this point.
I would (if I were King for a Day) send his ass packing on the next rail out of town.......I would expect, however, that the types of folks who would actually be making that decision would, at most, let him know that he should "retire" - and probably give him the $1 Million parting gift as an inducement.
I wouldn't be happy with that.....but I could probably still smile a little knowing that c&cks&cker is gone!


Then I would hope that he would spend some of his "pieces of silver" on a cheap tranny hooker..... who gave him syphilis.

 

[Aoshiro]

I don't know what you do, but President of a top research university jobs don't come open every day. And maybe he knows the handwriting is on the wall (let's hope so) and that he won't have to deal with those in charge of the BOT much longer.

There was no excuse for him yelling at an alum that she is "ruining the university" because she objects to what the BOT has been doing.