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great point. If we can beat Wisconsin, the pressure is all on tOSU. two losses and they are in trouble. If we win, we are almost assured of being in the B1G championship game.
Define trouble... I don't think Ohio State is even remotely out with 2 losses to top 3 teams on the road
Getting to the CCG may not be the best thing if you lose it--basically you played an extra game while someone else got to rest
It's going to be very interesting to see how CCG losers do in the playoff
 
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I think so too. Ohio State almost won and weren't nearly playing their A game, wasn't nearly playing the way they will be at the end of the year. Just Burks by himself getting burned for 14 points -- he's a great player and that won't happen again. Howard will be a much better QB with a little more experience. The Ohio State D-line is incredibly athletic but they were overpursuing and out of position -- that will get fixed.
I hope that the experience you mention is at OSU because he has started 31 games in his career to date.
 
Of course on the other side.. all the pressure is on Ohio State.. with the amount of $$ they have spent on NIL and what they picked up in the portal.. anything short of a Natty would be a failure… can you imagine if he loses to Michigan again …wow…

Maybe the Ohio State fans are getting used to it. They lost 3 straight to UM and Day wasn't fired. They haven't been in the championship game since 2020. Day has been incredibly successful recruiting and cranking out NFL stars but they have lost a lot of big games. Michigan's no threat to him this year. If Ohio State beats PSU, I guess they get another shot at Oregon in the B1G championship game, and then they could play a third game in the playoff I think.
 
Maybe the Ohio State fans are getting used to it. They lost 3 straight to UM and Day wasn't fired. They haven't been in the championship game since 2020. Day has been incredibly successful recruiting and cranking out NFL stars but they have lost a lot of big games. Michigan's no threat to him this year. If Ohio State beats PSU, I guess they get another shot at Oregon in the B1G championship game, and then they could play a third game in the playoff I think.
Oregon could be their Michigan this year.
 
Consider this, however (just for argument's sake) ... team takes a delay of game penalty in order to get more room for their punter to kick the ball. That's also a team intentionally taking a penalty to gain an advantage. Shouldn't that, then, be an unsportsmanlike penalty call, too? Granted, they built in a check on that, as the opposing team can decline the penalty if they want to do so, but that doesn't change the unsportsmanlike nature of the actions by the punting squad.
IMO, spiking the ball is intentional grounding.
 
Consider this, however (just for argument's sake) ... team takes a delay of game penalty in order to get more room for their punter to kick the ball. That's also a team intentionally taking a penalty to gain an advantage. Shouldn't that, then, be an unsportsmanlike penalty call, too? Granted, they built in a check on that, as the opposing team can decline the penalty if they want to do so, but that doesn't change the unsportsmanlike nature of the actions by the punting squad.
it is a good question but "unsportsmanlike" has always been defined as either using too much force or taunting. So excessive celebration is a delay of game, it is considered taunting. You point out that the team has the ability to decline the penalty so there ends up being no positive outcome for the offending team.
 
IMO, spiking the ball is intentional grounding.
One of my best life lessons was while playing HS ball as a Junior. We had great coach. Spiking the ball was a 15-yard penalty. We were highly favored in a game and the opposing team drove down the field and scored a TD in the opening drive. Their RB, who scored, spiked the ball. Our coach went over to the ref and calmly yelled "did he or did he not spike the ball?" The ref started with a "yeah but". At that point, my coach interrupted him "did he or did he not spike the ball?" The ref tried to complete his answer but my coach asked again "did he or did he not spike the ball?" . This went on at least a half dozen times and the ref kept trying to say the kid was excited and that it was understandable given the circumstances and my coach always simply asked "did he or did he not spike the ball?"

Finally, the ref threw the flag and called unsportsmanlike on the opposing team.

I learned, that when you have a "drop the mic" moment, you drop the friggen mic. There is no argument to it. i see people talk through the mic-dropping moment all the time. Drop the mic and let the impact of the moment set in.
 
Concerned that Oregon went against the spirit of the game. Not sure what they can do.



So the rule change was duly (and correctly) made yesterday to address the issue of a team benefiting from the purposeful commission of a penalty.

You know, I'm not sure what the Bucks were trying to do on that last play with 6 seconds left on Oregon's 38-yard line. It seemed like their QB, Howard, looked down the field when the best option they had available was the quick-out for 7 or 8 yards that would have given them at least a shot at a game-winning FG. In fact, they did have at least one receiver running a quick 5-yard out to the right. He was given some space by the Oregon d-back, but he was not thrown the ball.

I mean, with 6 seconds left, you have just enough time for a quick-out but I don't think enough time to throw a pattern down the field, unless for a Hail Mary which they weren't running.
 
it is a good question but "unsportsmanlike" has always been defined as either using too much force or taunting. So excessive celebration is a delay of game, it is considered taunting. You point out that the team has the ability to decline the penalty so there ends up being no positive outcome for the offending team.
I was referencing Max's characterization of intentionally putting 12 men on the field to run time off the clock as "unsportsmanlike conduct."

And, no "unsportsmanlike conduct" is not confined to those areas ... "time wasting" variants are already included in unsportsmanlike conduct ... I included the NFL rule below ... unsportsmanlike variants from a to v.

And, again, the fact that you can decline the current penalty doesn't change the characterization of the act itself, in terms of sportsmanship, It either is sportsmanlike, or it isn't, regardless of whether or not its characterized as something that can be declined.

You'll even note that 2 consecutive delay of game penalties in a row IS ALREADY unsportsmanlike conduct (see n).

SECTION 3 - UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT

ARTICLE 1. PROHIBITED ACTS

There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:

a. Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent, even though no contact is made.
b. Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents, teammates, officials, or representatives of the League.
c. Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams.
d . Any violent gesture, or an act that is sexually suggestive or offensive.
e. Unnecessary physical contact with a game official. Under no circumstance is a player allowed to shove, push, or strike an official in an offensive, disrespectful, or unsportsmanlike manner. The player shall be disqualified from the game, and any such action must be reported to the Commissioner, who may impose further discipline.
Note: Violations of (a), (b), (c), (d), and (e) will be penalized if they occur anywhere in the stadium in which the officials have jurisdiction.

f. Prolonged or excessive celebrations or demonstrations by an individual player or multiple players.
g. Using any object as a prop, or possessing any foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform on the field or the sideline during the game, other than the football after a scoring play or change of possession. If any foreign object(s) are deemed a safety hazard by the game officials, in addition to a yardage penalty, the player will be subject to ejection from the game, whether he uses the object or not.
Note: Violations of (f) and (g) will be penalized if they occur anywhere on the field other than the bench area.

h. Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player.
Penalty: For unsportsmanlike conduct (a) through (h): Loss of 15 yards from the succeeding spot or whatever spot the Referee, after consulting with the crew, deems equitable. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down. If the action is flagrant and a game official sees the entire action, the player is also disqualified. See 19-2 for authority of Officiating department to instruct officiating crew to disqualify a player. Two violations of (a), (b), or (c) by the same player which occur before or during the game will result in disqualification in addition to the yardage penalty. Any violations at the game site on the day of the game, including postgame, may result in discipline by the Commissioner.

i. Using acts or words by the defensive team that are designed to disconcert an offensive team at the snap. An official must blow his whistle immediately to stop play.
j. Concealing the ball underneath the uniform or using any article of equipment to simulate a ball.
k. Using entering substitutes, legally returning players, substitutes on sidelines, or withdrawn players to confuse opponents, including lingering by players leaving the field after being replaced by a substitute. See 5-2.
l. An offensive player lining up or going in motion less than five yards from the sideline in front of his team’s designated bench area. However, an offensive player is permitted to line up less than five yards from the sidelines on the same side as his team’s player bench, provided he is not in front of the designated bench area.
m. Conserving time after the two-minute warning of either half by repeatedly violating the substitution rule while the ball is dead and time is in. See 4-7-2.
n. Two successive delay-of-game penalties during the same down when time is in.
o. Jumping or standing on a teammate or opponent to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick.
p. Placing a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to: (1) block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick, or (2) attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick.
q. Picking up a teammate to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick.
r. Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, or apparent kick, unless the leaping player was in a stationary position within one yard of the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is more than one yard behind the line of scrimmage before or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players.
s. Goaltending by a defensive player leaping up to deflect a kick as it passes above the crossbar of a goal post. The referee may award three points for a palpably unfair act (12-3-4).
t. A punter, placekicker, or holder who simulates being roughed or run into by a defensive player.
u. If a member of the kicking team is forced out of bounds, or goes out of bounds voluntarily, and does not attempt to return inbounds in a reasonable amount of time.
v. Attempting to call an excess or illegal timeout to “freeze” a kicker prior to a field goal attempt or a Try kick when:
1. a team has already been charged a timeout during the same dead ball period; or
2. a team has exhausted its three charged team timeouts that are permitted in a half.
If an attempt is made to call a timeout in these situations, the officials shall not grant a timeout, play will continue, and a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct shall be enforced after the down has been completed. The penalty shall be enforced as a dead-ball foul if a timeout is inadvertently granted.
 
One of my best life lessons was while playing HS ball as a Junior. We had great coach. Spiking the ball was a 15-yard penalty. We were highly favored in a game and the opposing team drove down the field and scored a TD in the opening drive. Their RB, who scored, spiked the ball. Our coach went over to the ref and calmly yelled "did he or did he not spike the ball?" The ref started with a "yeah but". At that point, my coach interrupted him "did he or did he not spike the ball?" The ref tried to complete his answer but my coach asked again "did he or did he not spike the ball?" . This went on at least a half dozen times and the ref kept trying to say the kid was excited and that it was understandable given the circumstances and my coach always simply asked "did he or did he not spike the ball?"

Finally, the ref threw the flag and called unsportsmanlike on the opposing team.

I learned, that when you have a "drop the mic" moment, you drop the friggen mic. There is no argument to it. i see people talk through the mic-dropping moment all the time. Drop the mic and let the impact of the moment set in.
He wasn't referencing spiking the ball in celebration ... he was referencing a QB spiking the ball to stop the clock.
 
It's called unsportsman like conduct. Easy call.
The problem with that is it becomes a judgement call and we all hate judgment calls because of the inconsistency. An easy solution would be to expand the rule that a Too Many Men on the Field penalty occurring in the 5 minutes of a half the team has the option of resetting the clock to the pre-snap time. So if the ball was snapped at 1:35 the game clock will be reset back to 1:35 with the 5 yard penalty assessed.
 
I think it's a travesty that in BB intentionally violating the rules actually becomes an integral part of a close basketball in college and in the NBA. An incredible, close contest devolves into this dull activity of stopping play and then hinging the outcome on tired players shooting FTs. How dumb is that.

Absolutely teams should be able to take possession with a fresh shot clock instead of going to the line. Another way to help the problem would be to automatically award 3 FTs for fouls in the last 5 minutes -- that way the refs don't have to make a judgment call about an intentional foul. Awarding a 1-and-1 where a missed free throw generally awards possession to the fouling team is a travesty -- no wonder games turn into foulfests at the end.

But I suspect the people who run basketball won't change because they like the FT shooting contest -- it's like its own stage of the game, like the endgame of a chess match. I hate it but I'm not really a BB fan.
Hate basketball and this is a huge reason. And cut the timeouts to two.

But will never happen because the networks want the commercial breaks.
 
Hate basketball and this is a huge reason. And cut the timeouts to two.

But will never happen because the networks want the commercial breaks.
What about hockey?

You can be up a goal and take a 5 minute major penalty with 30 seconds to go and if the other team fails to score in that 30 second of power play, the game is over.
 
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What about hockey?

You can be up a goal and take a 5 minute major penalty with 30 seconds to go and if the other team fails to score in that 30 second of power play, the game is over.
If it is blatant take two off the ice.

Biggest rule change hockey should make is if some player injuries another while committing a penalty then the offending player shouldn’t play until three games after the injured player returns.

Scumbags like Wilson of the Capitals have put guys out for weeks and gotten only a game or two suspension. So he takes out the opposing team’s star player for an entire playoff round and gets squat.

Ridiculous
 
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If it is blatant take two off the ice.

Biggest rule change hockey should make is if some player injuries another while committing a penalty then the offending player shouldn’t play until three games after the injured player returns.

Scumbags like Wilson of the Capitals have out guys out for weeks and gotten only a game or two suspension. So he takes out the opposing team’s star player for an entire playoff round and gets squat.

Ridiculous
Very true!

But even taking a 2 minute penalty with less than 2 minutes remaining, perhaps the game should be extended until the penalty minutes have been served.
 
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Maybe the Ohio State fans are getting used to it. They lost 3 straight to UM and Day wasn't fired. They haven't been in the championship game since 2020. Day has been incredibly successful recruiting and cranking out NFL stars but they have lost a lot of big games. Michigan's no threat to him this year. If Ohio State beats PSU, I guess they get another shot at Oregon in the B1G championship game, and then they could play a third game in the playoff I think.
I think if they lose Saturday against Penn State..there will be many many questions surrounding Day...too much hyope and $$$ put into the Ohio state program...with two losses..I think OSU still gets in but will not have any HOME games ie Playoffs.. penn State on the other hand..IF we lose..can't have another loss for rst of season..our SOS is not strong enough IMO...
 
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