OSU fan coming in peace

[klemman]

I visited this broad last week and do throughout the year. I was out of town and not able to watch the game live but followed it on the Internet. Took me a couple of days to watch when I got home for what I knew was an inevitable loss. Thought only fair on my behalf to come back and congratulate your team for their effort and win.

I fear that this Buckeye team may have 2-3 losses by year's end if they can't figure things out. But with 44 freshman it's not surprising that there are growing pains. If PSU can springboard off the win and continue to improve, Michigan doing what they are doing this season, if this Dantonio team is more fluke than what to expect most seasons, and the Bucks are able to learn from this season when they have 44 sophomores sprinkled in the 2 deep, it should be a wild ride with plenty of good football the next few seasons in the Big. Good-luck and a major injury free season the rest of the way.

 

[Lion8286]

I visited this broad last week and do throughout the year.

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[Grant Green]

OSU was in a terrible spot last week. Off a big road game and coming into a white out. PSU off the bye. The only potential loss on the schedule is UM. I usually don't have much of a rooting interest in that game, but this year, I hope OSU crushes UM.

 

[NC2017]

I visited this broad last week and do throughout the year. I was out of town and not able to watch the game live but followed it on the Internet. Took me a couple of days to watch when I got home for what I knew was an inevitable loss. Thought only fair on my behalf to come back and congratulate your team for their effort and win.

I fear that this Buckeye team may have 2-3 losses by year's end if they can't figure things out. But with 44 freshman it's not surprising that there are growing pains. If PSU can springboard off the win and continue to improve, Michigan doing what they are doing this season, if this Dantonio team is more fluke than what to expect most seasons, and the Bucks are able to learn from this season when they have 44 sophomores sprinkled in the 2 deep, it should be a wild ride with plenty of good football the next few seasons in the Big. Good-luck and a major injury free season the rest of the way.

So, IYO, were it not for a blocked kick returned for a touchdown tOSU would still be #2 in the nation?

 

[Whaaaaaaaany]

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Shouldn't there be a flag for that?

 

[ChiTownLion]

Seems that Urban Meyer's Buckeye teams have had 44 freshman every year for the last 5 years.

 

[Lion8286]

Seems that Urban Meyer's Buckeye teams have had 44 freshman every year for the last 5 years.

I believe that OSU has the youngest team in the NCAA and Penn State has the second youngest. To me, that was a wash and no excuse.

 

[Obliviax]

Shouldn't there be a flag for that?

I got it!

 

[Phil's Rug]

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Hope her name isn't Ann Arbor, she has quite the reputation.

 

[jwinslow]

So, IYO, were it not for a blocked kick returned for a touchdown tOSU would still be #2 in the nation?

I think that's probably true, though they'd still have the same flaws. I said in the other thread that if a break or two went their way, they may have snuck out with a win they didn't really earn. (not undeserving, just uninspiring)

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like having the blank kicked out of you.

Seems that Urban Meyer's Buckeye teams have had 44 freshman every year for the last 5 years.

They have. The difference is this year their 2 deep was outrageously young and they were the youngest team by a wide margin.

 

[marshall23]

Hey, nice post and I personally will root for OSU to dominate the rest of the way. It adds value to the win on Sat.
Also, I saw an interview of JT Barrett after the game. Of course the questioners were looking to lay blame and gave no credit to PSU. JT stopped them and said, first of all that's a good team over there. They might not be ranked but they are very tough to beat especially here. Also, he refused to denigrate his line or WR;s and said, I guess we saw it differently. I gained a great deal of respect for him.

 

[Obliviax]

I think that's probably true, though they'd still have the same flaws. I said in the other thread that if a break or two went their way, they may have snuck out with a win they didn't really earn. (not undeserving, just uninspiring)

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like having the blank kicked out of you.

They have. The difference is this year their 2 deep was outrageously young and they were the youngest team by a wide margin.

Appreciate your comments. My only beef is that tOSU got a ton of breaks: a fumbled punt, a dropped ball that bounced right back to the RB, a snapped ball of the punter's head...can't say tOSU didn't get their share of breaks.

 

[artsandletters]

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What I thought. Thinking maybe I'd like to visit too.

 

[EPC FAN]

I think that's probably true, though they'd still have the same flaws. I said in the other thread that if a break or two went their way, they may have snuck out with a win they didn't really earn. (not undeserving, just uninspiring)

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like having the blank kicked out of you.

They have. The difference is this year their 2 deep was outrageously young and they were the youngest team by a wide margin.

Yet, when they hammered Oklahoma, we never heard any of this. Lose a game and all of a sudden, we're young.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Thanks to the OP. I keep hearing that tosu has the youngest team with 44 freshmen, and yet I'm pretty sure we (on this board) determined that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 freshmen on our team. Wouldn't that make us younger?? Regardless, I would suspect that scum, tosu and the Nits will all be continue their upward trends....sparty is more likely to fall back to being sparty, so it might just be the 3 blue-bloods having at it for the foreseeable future, which would be fun.

 

[jwinslow]

Yet, when they hammered Oklahoma, we never heard any of this. Lose a game and all of a sudden, we're young.

I can't account for what you're aware of, but it was discussed constantly before the season and a big part of the attaboys handed out during and after the oklahoma win.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I was very surprised about Meyer's offensive approach to the game. I know Barrett isn't going to be confused with Peyton Manning or Drew Brees throwing it anytime soon, but I was stunned that more downfield shots weren't taken.

Also expected them to try to get Samuel to the edge frequently on screens/pitches/stretch plays/etc. but it didn't seem to happen often.

 

[senatedon]

So, IYO, were it not for a blocked kick returned for a touchdown tOSU would still be #2 in the nation?

If PSU hadn't had a FG blocked, a muffed punt return and safety on a punt, Penn State may have been leading all along.

 

[jwinslow]

Thanks to the OP. I keep hearing that tosu has the youngest team with 44 freshmen, and yet I'm pretty sure we (on this board) determined that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 freshmen on our team. Wouldn't that make us younger?? Regardless, I would suspect that scum, tosu and the Nits will all be continue their upward trends....sparty is more likely to fall back to being sparty, so it might just be the 3 blue-bloods having at it for the foreseeable future, which would be fun.

Right, which is what a previous poster aluded to. Unless you play most of your freshmen the year before, you'll end up with 40+ freshmen. 23+23 = 46 - 6 true frosh play = 40. Most teams tend to sign more than 23 per year also.

This was Phil Steele's metric on experience before the season:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...m-in-the-country-heading-into-the-2016-season

OSU had 16 freshmen and 5 seniors (2 walkons) in their 2 deep when they opened the season. That's pretty much the same now, except one senior is injured. They had 7 returning starters.

This was discussed ad nauseum before the year and the reason why many picked senior-laden Michigan to win the B1G in their preseason prognostications.

 

[jwinslow]

I was very surprised about Meyer's offensive approach to the game. I know Barrett isn't going to be confused with Peyton Manning or Drew Brees throwing it anytime soon, but I was stunned that more downfield shots weren't taken.

Barrett is a poor downfield passer and this group of WRs is remarkably mediocre when it comes to ball skills downfield (contrast that with the body positioning of your WRs with coverage nearby last saturday, or what Devin Smith, Michael Thomas or even Jalin Marshall did in traffic in past years).

Breakdown of the WR corps below for any that wonder why this passing attack was a bit different

Brown - big physical WR, good redzone target and possession guy. Not the fastest and not a great high pointer. A great power forward, flex TE type.

Clark - never been the same since his injury.

Campbell - speed merchant, converted tailback, has yet to develop into a consistent WR

McLaurin - decent, had a step or two on PSU a few times and JT was well off target, throwing away and behind him instead of infront of the DB a step or two behind in single coverage.

Dixon - dual knee injuries have crippled his productivity

Hill - injured

Gibson - ineligible all year for some off-field drama

Also expected them to try to get Samuel to the edge frequently on screens/pitches/stretch plays/etc. but it didn't seem to happen often.

This was pretty surprising. I liked them riding Weber (they forgot about him last year) but they seemed to think Samuel was just a slot back.

He averaged over a first down per touch yet he infrequently touched the ball, and it took them a long time to get him involved.

 

[step.eng69]

I visited this broad last week and do throughout the year. I

 

[BBG65]

Seems that Urban Meyer's Buckeye teams have had 44 freshman every year for the last 5 years.

I don't know if 44 freshmen is that unusual. Obviously, that includes RS frosh as well as true freshmen. That's 2 recruiting classes and you are allowed 25 each year.

 

[step.eng69]

What I thought. Thinking maybe I'd like to visit too.

and doing what on your visit?

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Welcome klemman! Glad to see you here. We need to have some non-homer perspective from all our brethren. Can't disagree with your post at all. Looking forward more interfacing with you in the future. Should be some good competition in a couple of years. Don't be a stranger.

 

[EPC FAN]

I can't account for what you're aware of, but it was discussed constantly before the season and a big part of the attaboys handed out during and after the oklahoma win.

So, tell me, how is tOSU so young when Urban has recruited so incredibly well over his years there? Is he managing the roster, getting rid of those he overrated in the recruiting process?

 

[4rosco]

Right, which is what a previous poster aluded to. Unless you play most of your freshmen the year before, you'll end up with 40+ freshmen. 23+23 = 46 - 6 true frosh play = 40. Most teams tend to sign more than 23 per year also.

This was Phil Steele's metric on experience before the season:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...m-in-the-country-heading-into-the-2016-season

OSU had 16 freshmen and 5 seniors (2 walkons) in their 2 deep when they opened the season. That's pretty much the same now, except one senior is injured. They had 7 returning starters.

This was discussed ad nauseum before the year and the reason why many picked senior-laden Michigan to win the B1G in their preseason prognostications.

And don't forget those numbers also include walk-ons.

In looking at the 2 Deep Depth Charts of the teams both have 12 Freshman and 4 Seniors listed (not counting Special teams)

 

[artsandletters]

and doing what on your visit?

Giving IT the old college try.

You know, Elaine from Seinfeld: "He took IT, OUT."

 

[jwinslow]

So, tell me, how is tOSU so young when Urban has recruited so incredibly well over his years there? Is he managing the roster, getting rid of those he overrated in the recruiting process?

He just had 8 underclassmen go pro in their deep draft class:

rJr Powell
rJr Jones
rJr Thomas
Jr Elliott
Jr Bosa
Jr Bell
rSo Apple
rSo Marshall

He also does not play many true freshman most years, typically because they have plenty of depth. This year is the exception to the rule, with such a massive overhaul and so little returning.

Only one true frosh OL has ever started for Meyer before. Jordan is the second (he had a trial by fire in Happy Valley, but he'll be a good one).

They also have not recruited that well at DT, so they're left with one veteran Hill and literally nothing but freshmen (Landers, Hamilton, Jones, Bosa and those last two guys are tweeners for now).

One of their few seniors, rSr RB Dunn, threw away his final year with a domestic violence incident this summer.

It's not uncommon for OSU to have a lower number of seniors in any year under Urban, but they're using way more true freshmen than normal. Even when Urban took over and they needed to upgrade a lot of areas, and they signed a stellar 2013 class, only a few guys played from that one.

 

[Obliviax]

He just had 8 underclassmen go pro in their deep draft class:

rJr Powell
rJr Jones
rJr Thomas
Jr Elliott
Jr Bosa
Jr Bell
rSo Apple
rSo Marshall

He also does not play many true freshman most years, typically because they have plenty of depth. This year is the exception to the rule, with such a massive overhaul and so little returning.

Only one true frosh OL has ever started for Meyer before. Jordan is the second (he had a trial by fire in Happy Valley, but he'll be a good one).

They also have not recruited that well at DT, so they're left with one veteran Hill and literally nothing but freshmen (Landers, Hamilton, Jones, Bosa and those last two guys are tweeners for now).

One of their few seniors, rSr RB Dunn, threw away his final year with a domestic violence incident this summer.

It's not uncommon for OSU to have a lower number of seniors in any year under Urban, but they're using way more true freshmen than normal. Even when Urban took over and they needed to upgrade a lot of areas, and they signed a stellar 2013 class, only a few guys played from that one.

I live in Ohio...Urbs has been running a pretty clean program. he pulled a 'ship from a kid that was injured before LOI day and he withheld information on his RB coach leaving until after LOI day. Other than that, the kids have been keeping good grades, staying out of trouble and playing good ball.

 

[Judge Smails]

 

[kharp1]

I think there is a little too much "sky is falling" coming from OSU fans/media. I get the disappointment coming off a loss, especially from a fan base that obviously has grown so accustomed to winning every single game. But really this game was basically 2014 all over again except PSU found a way to win.

Ohio State's offense in 2014 was the hottest in the country coming into the PSU game. And it was arguably the best every week after the PSU game. But in happy valley that night they only scored 17 in regulation. The bottom line is PSU is just a really tough place to play. It's a step up from Norman and Camp Randall. Our defense is infinitely better now than it was even a couple weeks ago with all the LB's we have back. Bell and Cabinda combined for 31 tackles. The D-line needed some time to develop but now that they have a bunch of tough games under their belt they are starting to hit their stride. PSU's secondary is also one of the best in the B1G, has been all season.

OSU has some things to work out on its offense but they should be fine. Barrett is an elite player. They just need to be a little more creative on offense and probably need some better play from their tackles. Defensively, this may be the best defense Urban has had since he has been at OSU. I mean our offense is significantly improved this year and they shut us down most of the game.

Still think Michigan has the edge this year over OSU but OSU could still easily win the B1G and make the playoff.

 

[MDNittanyLion]

I visited this broad last week and do throughout the year. I was out of town and not able to watch the game live but followed it on the Internet. Took me a couple of days to watch when I got home for what I knew was an inevitable loss. Thought only fair on my behalf to come back and congratulate your team for their effort and win.

I fear that this Buckeye team may have 2-3 losses by year's end if they can't figure things out. But with 44 freshman it's not surprising that there are growing pains. If PSU can springboard off the win and continue to improve, Michigan doing what they are doing this season, if this Dantonio team is more fluke than what to expect most seasons, and the Bucks are able to learn from this season when they have 44 sophomores sprinkled in the 2 deep, it should be a wild ride with plenty of good football the next few seasons in the Big. Good-luck and a major injury free season the rest of the way.

Is Barrett nursing an injury? It doesnt seem like UM is using the same # of designed QB runs than in the past, like when Zeke complained about not getting carries.

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

Barrett is a poor downfield passer and this group of WRs is remarkably mediocre when it comes to ball skills downfield (contrast that with the body positioning of your WRs with coverage nearby last saturday, or what Devin Smith, Michael Thomas or even Jalin Marshall did in traffic in past years).

Breakdown of the WR corps below for any that wonder why this passing attack was a bit different

This was pretty surprising. I liked them riding Weber (they forgot about him last year) but they seemed to think Samuel was just a slot back.

He averaged over a first down per touch yet he infrequently touched the ball, and it took them a long time to get him involved.

I think Samuel is going to get 25 carries this weekend vs. the Evanston Barney's.

 

[jwinslow]

Is Barrett nursing an injury? It doesnt seem like UM is using the same # of designed QB runs than in the past, like when Zeke complained about not getting carries.

No, they over relied on JT the previous two games and barely used Weber. There was an obvious movement to shift some of the heavy lifting to Weber. that doesn't explain the underused Samuel however

 

[LIONJELLO]

I visited this broad last week and do throughout the year. I was out of town and not able to watch the game live but followed it on the Internet. Took me a couple of days to watch when I got home for what I knew was an inevitable loss. Thought only fair on my behalf to come back and congratulate your team for their effort and win.

I fear that this Buckeye team may have 2-3 losses by year's end if they can't figure things out. But with 44 freshman it's not surprising that there are growing pains. If PSU can springboard off the win and continue to improve, Michigan doing what they are doing this season, if this Dantonio team is more fluke than what to expect most seasons, and the Bucks are able to learn from this season when they have 44 sophomores sprinkled in the 2 deep, it should be a wild ride with plenty of good football the next few seasons in the Big. Good-luck and a major injury free season the rest of the way.

thanks for the backhanded compliment, but c'mon with the underclassman/playing, do you know who you're addressing LOL

 

[Victor E. Bell]

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Classic.

 

[Tweedbear]

Urban teams will always be young NFL, processing and academic failure will see to it.

 

[12375CAT]

I hope OSU crushes UM.

So does Sparty.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Interesting that the youngest team in the country with so many guys with little or no experience would be ranked #5 in the preseason polls. Is that testament to Urban's coaching? Or that people who create these polls are full of shit?

 

[21Guns]

I love how one loss to PSU, and suddenly Ohio State "just wasn't very good to begin with". LMAO.

They'll beat Northwestern by 35 points tomorrow.