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OT: A modest request...Can we stop mocking the French now....

and historically speaking, anyone who doesn't realize there is NO United State of America WITHOUT France . . . just keep exposing yourselves as the idiots you really are. I am ashamed that proud ignorance seems to be a badge of honor among a certain political set . . .
You know what is idiotic? A certain political set (your words) laughing and calling others "crackers" thinking it's a harmless joke in a thread about racism being the very same people that have such thin skin about the other political set being critical of the decisions and conditions which shaped the attacks on the French by Muslim Extremists (a term that political set is afraid to use out of political correctness).
 
I feel for France as I felt for us on 911. That day literally changed the course of my life. I had a plan but then a had a duty and the duty won.

But please don't mistake calling for strength in the face of this threat for your perceived lack of French sympathy. It is not. These Muslim extremists know only physical force. You can't negotiate. You can only project power and give consequence to their actions.

So I don't know what mocking of the French has occurred or if it has occurred or if your pansy lefty leanings get your panties in a bunch over people simply believing that France needs to take a tougher stance. I slept in this morning so this is the first thread that I opened. But calling for strength should not be misconstrued or misrepresented as mocking. Anyone legitimately mocking, I do agree should stop.
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...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.
I don't even lurk on the test board any more. From my remembrances of it, though, I'd doubt your request would be taken seriously by those opposed to your POV. This is a good discussion here so far.
 
As do many things, that connotation of the term goes back to the Romans. Censor was an official office.

LINK: Roman Censor


Part of it pertained to the control of the "public moral."

From their classification of the population developed another duty: they had to see who was worthy of the equestrian and senatorial rank, a responsibility laid down in the fourth-century Lex Ovinia. This was called the regimen morum, the control of the public moral. For example, the censor Marcus Porcius Cato once expelled a man from the Senate because he had kissed his wife in public, something that was regarded as undignified behavior, unfitting for a member of this august house. Because the regimen morum was a very important responsibility, the censorship became increasingly a magistracy for former consuls.

True. There is a concept of self-censorship as well that is often practiced by "officials" of news networks, magazines, newspapers, internet blogs, etc. It usually doesn't involve the government and therefore isn't illegal at all, but it is still a form of censorship. Folks who don't like it vote with their feet and their wallets which then leads to even more polarization. If more is even possible at this point...

I don't ever go to the test board. I come to this site as a lover of PSU and as a distraction from the real world. Although the real world is impossible to avoid even here given the events of the last 4 years. I am fully aware of the slant of the moderator-ship of this board and it obviously doesn't bother me too much as I have been coming here since the plotit days and will continue to so. I am actually a big fan of the main moderator.
 
I don't even lurk on the test board any more. From my remembrances of it, though, I'd doubt your request would be taken seriously by those opposed to your POV. This is a good discussion here so far.

We all have compassion and sympthy for France during this tragedy.

What we have on concerns with is some don't want people to discuss Muslims terrorists but have no problem calling out police or others when it fits their agenda
 
It is a private enterprise but the board is not advertised as exclusive to liberals, it is simply moderated that way. There are issues with that. So a church cannot refuse to marry a gay couple against their beliefs but this private company can deny the same service to a customer based upon their beliefs? Other businesses can't refuse to serve customers of certain beliefs or certain groups but this business can? Aside from the legal implications, it is just plain wrong and bad business.

If this board is for liberals only, then they should advertise it as such and write board rules to reflect that. But deleting posts and banning posters because you can't compete with their ideas is very telling. I don't know about you but it kind of means that every argument they make is undermined by their need to censor opposing ideas. Therefore, any reasonable person can conclude that those being censored on the issues were in fact correct on the issues to an extent that the opposition needed to silence them.


PSUfan98 - your points are right on. I believe the board has the right to ban anyone it wishes, as a private enterprise. I do say that I feel this way for any business. If a business doesn't want to do business with a known liberal, that should be their right. If a club wants to exclude men (or women), that should be their right. Note: While I don't condone it, I think it is the board owners' right to be deceptive in their censoring - it is their board. Freedom first.
 
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We all have compassion and sympthy for France during this tragedy.

What we have on concerns with is some don't want people to discuss Muslims terrorists but have no problem calling out police or others when it fits their agenda
Sounds like a good and fair point of discussion.

Speaking of discussion. This might be of interest to some. Last night on Bill Maher.

LINK: Bill Maher on Paris Attacks: "Why do they hate us?"
 
and historically speaking, anyone who doesn't realize there is NO United State of America WITHOUT France . . . just keep exposing yourselves as the idiots you really are. I am ashamed that proud ignorance seems to be a badge of honor among a certain political set . . .

Man, such a clown remark. It's almost sad how intelligent only you believe you are.
 
False equivalency but not surprising from lawyer hell-bent on achieving a result despite knowing what he writes is false. No one is publishing anything here. It is in fact a public space no? If it is not welcoming to persons of certain political beliefs then they need to publish that so that we all know that is the case and it will become their private political groupthink space which is apparently that which you advocate. Do that and I guarantee the free market will respond appropriately.

But on a more fundamental level, why are you afraid to let ideas compete with your own? If you have it right, you should encourage others to challenge those ideas. If you are an honest person who is concerned with getting to the best solutions, you might even go further to welcome competing ideas and be willing to change your initial assumptions as new ideas emerge with improved legitimacy. OR now this is going to really freak you out, we could have people with all different points of view contribute and we work together to achieve the optimal solutions to issues facing us. That's almost like how our great Nation was designed to work. But I know, it must seem so archaic to you. Now go back to advocating for censoring ideas that don't conform.
The false equivalency is not mine, it is yours. Your use of 'censor' does not meet the definition of the word. So, your little whining cry that you are being censored is false. Your equating what happened to you to censorship is a false equivalency.
 
FYI - these agencies took federal money to help bring more syrian muslim refugees to a city near you!


Point of order: Is Catholicism among the myriad of things that you are against?

Those three agencies on the top there are acting in compliance with the wishes of the Pope, who has urged all nations to take in whatever refugees that they can. Specifically, churches have been directed to take in refugees.

It is also the desire of the United States government that all nations do what they can to take in refugees.

I think that is so the images of dead toddlers on the beaches can be mitigated. But, I could be wrong.

SMH.
 
We all have compassion and sympthy for France during this tragedy.

What we have on concerns with is some don't want people to discuss Muslims terrorists but have no problem calling out police or others when it fits their agenda

It seems to me that everybody has been talking about terrorists and ISIS all the time.

Maybe not people who have their focus on chasing tail, or chasing drugs....and maybe not at work...and maybe not all the self-absorbed people....but just about everybody else.
 
I guess we have different ideas regarding the free market, and the meaning of CENSORSHIP. This is a for-profit enterprise and the moderator represents it. S/he makes judgments about what to cut out, and cuts it out. If s/he cuts stuff that too many people think ought to stay, s/he eventually loses business to the point where the site ceases to operate. 98 is free to take a hike and spew his speech elsewhere, and the moderator is free to delete his posts if he stays or ban him entirely.

cen·sor·ship
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noun
noun: censorship
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.


cen·sor
ˈsensər/
noun
noun: censor; plural noun: censors
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an official who examines material that is about to be released, such as books, movies, news, and art, and suppresses any parts that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.


A censor is an official of the government. Ain't no government here; therefore ain't no censor or censorship here.
Dem, you might want to go past the first entry in the dictionary. Otherwise you could be acused with censoring the definition.
 
I think we should give the Statue of Liberty back to France. And pretty much most if the Mississippi and Missouri River Valleys
 
Good luck with that request. The usual suspects will spout the usual nonsense. After all it's easy to be desensitized and have internet muscles.
I don't quite understand your "internet muscles' comment. If I for instance state that the "Battle of Vienna" Ca 1683 was won by King John III Sobieski of Poland by defeating the Muslims and that France( Louis XIV) refused to help, would this be considered "usual nonsense"..?
 
I don't quite understand your "internet muscles' comment. If I for instance state that the "Battle of Vienna" Ca 1683 was won by King John III Sobieski of Poland by defeating the Muslims and that France( Louis XIV) refused to help, would this be considered "usual nonsense"..?

I have read a lot if your comments over the years. There are a lot of things you don't understand. Just be quiet.
 
The false equivalency is not mine, it is yours. Your use of 'censor' does not meet the definition of the word. So, your little whining cry that you are being censored is false. Your equating what happened to you to censorship is a false equivalency.
You are one of the slowest lawyers I've ever conversed with, where/how are you employed? You wrote
I have a pile of scribbled gibberish that I think is the Great American Novel, but nobody will publish it. Ooooooo, Censorship? No, unmarketable writing.
in response to my and others of conservative opinion claim of being censored on this board. The false equivalency is that no one is publishing anything here. You give an example which is a false equivalency to my and others legitimate ideas being removed on this board because even though we followed the rules, our ideas are a threat to the liberal teachings imparted upon and parroted by you via your comedic newscasters. No one is maintaining any kind of standard for publishing on this board or your cohorts would be admonished for calling people crackers and other dumb stuff consistently written.

Now you can get all wrapped up in one of the multiple definitions of censorship I guess so that in your mind you can justify silencing ideas with which you appear afraid to compete against. Oh and why is it that you failed to address my question to you about your obvious strong support to silence ideas not conforming to those issued to you by your party leaders?
 
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It is a private enterprise but the board is not advertised as exclusive to liberals, it is simply moderated that way. There are issues with that. So a church cannot refuse to marry a gay couple against their beliefs but this private company can deny the same service to a customer based upon their beliefs? Other businesses can't refuse to serve customers of certain beliefs or certain groups but this business can? Aside from the legal implications, it is just plain wrong and bad business.
98: I am a liberal and not shy about saying so, but no way would I want this Board to be limited to either liberals or conservatives. How boring would THAT be? (Rhetorical question.)

That being said, I don't think your gay marriage example holds water. Churches absolutely can refuse to sanction gay marriage, and many do. That's far different from the issue of whether the government should be able to deny a marriage license to a gay couple. Moreover, I would submit that the right to marry is far more fundamental than the right to post on any particular Board. If the mods here booted you (or me), we would not be prohibited from posting altogether; just from doing so on this Board.
 
You are one of the slowest lawyers I've ever conversed with, where/how are you employed? You wrote
in response to my and others of conservative opinion claim of being censored on this board. The false equivalency is that no one is publishing anything here. You give an example which is a false equivalency to my and others legitimate ideas being removed on this board because even though we followed the rules, our ideas are a threat to the liberal teachings imparted upon and parroted by you via your comedic newscasters. No one is maintaining any kind of standard for publishing on this board or your cohorts would be admonished for calling people crackers and other dumb stuff consistently written.

Now you can get all wrapped up in one of the multiple definitions of censorship I guess so that in your mind you can justify silencing ideas with which you appear afraid to compete against. Oh and why is it that you failed to address my question to you about your obvious strong support to silence ideas not conforming to those issued to you by your party leaders?
uh yeah this is publishing fool. Sheesh.
 
...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.


I think you have France confused with Pitt. WE don't mock the French.

Pitt gave Cosby a degree not the Sorbonne.
 
Point of order: Is Catholicism among the myriad of things that you are against?

Those three agencies on the top there are acting in compliance with the wishes of the Pope, who has urged all nations to take in whatever refugees that they can. Specifically, churches have been directed to take in refugees.

It is also the desire of the United States government that all nations do what they can to take in refugees.

I think that is so the images of dead toddlers on the beaches can be mitigated. But, I could be wrong.

SMH.
So the Pope is in charge of our immigration policy now?
 
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This is one of the most bizarre requests I've seen on a message board. France vs. US perception has been around since Reagan. They view the US as aggressive, knuckle dragging, war mongers and we view them as accordion carrying weaklings. A message board post will not change that.

Myron Floren resents your remark!
 
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...on both this board and the test board?

I know everybody today is in support of the French and the losses they have had overnight.

Can we continue being as sympathetic to them going forward. They have blood in these matters, just as we and many other nations do.

Thanks for your consideration of this request in advance.
Why? Life isn't black and white. The French (currently) deserve our sympathy and support. However, that has not always been the case, nor will it always be. The French have not always supported the US, nor have the famously rude French people (yes, I know not all French are rude) refrained from mocking America and Americans.
 
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