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OT: Anyone go to an all 'same sex' school, or send their child to one? Thoughts?

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Looking at schools now for my son who will be applying this fall (for placement next year) and while we would like for him to go to the same school as my daughter (our first choice), we have to have a back up plan (independent school applications are way up since COVID). Anyway, there are a couple of 'boys only' schools on the list and I think there could be some benefit for him, but in today's environment, not sure how they are viewed or if they're even more insular than co-ed independent schools. Appreciate the comments/insight!
 
Looking at schools now for my son who will be applying this fall (for placement next year) and while we would like for him to go to the same school as my daughter (our first choice), we have to have a back up plan (independent school applications are way up since COVID). Anyway, there are a couple of 'boys only' schools on the list and I think there could be some benefit for him, but in today's environment, not sure how they are viewed or if they're even more insular than co-ed independent schools. Appreciate the comments/insight!
Send him to Gonzaga. You wouldn’t regret it.
 
Send him to Gonzaga. You wouldn’t regret it.
OH HELL YEAH, TIMES ABOUT 10000. AMDG BABY!!

Seriously Midnighter, a few thoughts, both general and specific:
1. I grew up in a public school environment, and never really 'got' single sex education until my son went to Gonzaga. For boys, they communicate differently, are looking for mentors, and in a world where someday they are going to need to make risk/reward choices, they are not wrapped in bubble wrap. And a SS environment removes the social conventions associated with certain activities -- my son played hockey at GNZ, and tried out for Rugby (took one look at UMD/VaTech OL Johnny Jordan, who sat next to him in bio class and was a peach of a kid, and called it a day), but he found his real passion doing stage crew for the theater program. And most importantly, the boys support each other in all of the activities.
2. The academics are excellent. Probably not the Power 5 DC independents, but really outstanding - lots of AP offerings if your son is so inclined. My son went heavy on the math and science, but his writing instruction was outstanding and really showed when it came time for his college essay. (He is in his fourth year at uva in aero eng, reads latin for pleasure in his spare time, and running deans list). Note, interestingly, I think the kids from VA tend to be smarter than the ones from MD - could be a legacy thing.
3. I'm not obsessed with "networks" for high schoolers, notwithstanding my DMV residence. But my son's best friends are still his Gonzaga friends, and if he is around town wearing GNZ gear, it is not at all uncommon for some 70 year old alum to walk up to him and talk to him. Around here, it's not to be taken lightly.
4. Religiously, conservative catholics tend to dump on the jesuits, sometimes fairly sometimes not. I'm actually a relatively conservative convert, but what you will find is that your son will come out a well rounded person who understands that the Christian faith is not simply about justice (in the law and order sense), but also about mercy. Name one other school that has a mens homeless shelter in its basement, where the boys serve lunch those in greatest need in our community, and talk to them.
5. Sports - I don't know if your son likes sports, but there are several no cut sports there. There are lots of kids who can't make the elite stick-and ball teams, but the coaches have a knack for finding the ones who are good athletes, introducing them to something new like crew or rugby, and wishing them well 4 years later when they go off to places like Harvard or PSU on athletic scholarships.
6. On balance, the families are genuinely nice. Sure, you get some power players (Rand Paul, Paul Begala, and Joe Crowley's kids were all in my son's class), but they have to pick up their kids at practice just like you and me, and don't stand off in a corner by themselve.
7. Getting there - it is actually quite independence building for a 9th grade boy to take the Metro to school in the downtown of a major metro area.
8. In the world of DMV private school tuition, GNZ is a comparative bargain ($25k v. ~35k for STJ and GP v. a shock-the-conscience $45-50k for LAN, STA, SID), and offers some merit based money to boot ($1-2k in my son's case).
9. Finally, as a parent, whenever you go to the school for something, it is an excellent opportunity to visit the Dubliner. Also, whoever does the laundry around your house will find it very easy because you just do one giant purple load.

I'm happy to answer any specific questions you may have. Yep, it's a little bit of a cult, but when you experience it as a parent or a student, you get it.
 
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Looking at schools now for my son who will be applying this fall (for placement next year) and while we would like for him to go to the same school as my daughter (our first choice), we have to have a back up plan (independent school applications are way up since COVID). Anyway, there are a couple of 'boys only' schools on the list and I think there could be some benefit for him, but in today's environment, not sure how they are viewed or if they're even more insular than co-ed independent schools. Appreciate the comments/insight!

My brothers and I went to an all male high-school, sisters went to an all female high-school. It's a much more relaxed academic environment, more conducive to learning since you are not trying to impress or vie for anyone's attention. That was only high-school though. I don't know that I really see the benefit for elementary age kids.
 
Sorta. Many of my cousins went/go there. My cousin is the librarian, as a matter of fact. It’s a great school, very community oriented. Quite a few of my cousins went to Georgetown Prep, and my sense is that Gonzaga is the better school.
They are both fine schools. GP's reputation is a little stronger academically, but a lot wealthier. I think Gnz tends to produce better rounded kids.
 
Sorta. Many of my cousins went/go there. My cousin is the librarian, as a matter of fact. It’s a great school, very community oriented. Quite a few of my cousins went to Georgetown Prep, and my sense is that Gonzaga is the better school.

What?! Georgetown Prep produced David Chang! :)

Actually, wife has a few colleagues who have kids at Gonzaga (and NCS, Landon, GDS) - but their kids are older and she's less into discussing these things with her colleagues.
 
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Background information: I went to public schools (co-ed) for my K-12 experience. I thought that was the best experience for anyone; as I was going through school. I started teaching in an all boys HS, for my first two years out of college. It was a great experience and I realized that it was much richer than my own HS experience.

My daughter attended co-ed public and parochial school for K-8. We sent her to an all girls HS, at my suggestion, and to her initial objection; but she ended up thriving well for her 9-12 experience. She realized after 2 days of HS, that her all girl HS experience was far better. She loved her all girl HS experience, then went on to Penn State for college.

I can bore you with anecdotal reasons for same sex schools, but I’m a firm believer in them, especially for the hormone induced HS ages.
 
OH HELL YEAH, TIMES ABOUT 10000. AMDG BABY!!

Seriously Midnighter, a few thoughts, both general and specific:
1. I grew up in a public school environment, and never really 'got' single sex education until my son went to Gonzaga. For boys, they communicate differently, are looking for mentors, and in a world where someday they are going to need to make risk/reward choices, they are not wrapped in bubble wrap. And a SS environment removes the social conventions associated with certain activities -- my son played hockey at GNZ, and tried out for Rugby, but he found his real passion doing stage crew for the theater program. And most importantly, the boys support each other in all of the activities.
2. The academics are excellent. Probably not the Power 5 DC independents, but really outstanding - lots of AP offerings if your son is so inclined. My son went heavy on the math and science, but his writing instruction was outstanding and really showed when it came time for his college essay. (He is in his fourth year at uva in aero eng, and running deans list). Note, interestingly, I think the kids from VA tend to be smarter than the ones from MD - could be a legacy thing.
3. I'm not obsessed with "networks" for high schoolers, notwithstanding my DMV residence. But my son's best friends are still his Gonzaga friends, and if he is around town wearing GNZ gear, it is not at all uncommon for some 70 year old alum to walk up to him and talk to him. Around here, it's not to be taken lightly.
4. Religiously, conservative catholics tend to dump on the jesuits, sometimes fairly sometimes not. I'm actually a relatively conservative convert, but what you will find is that your son will come out a well rounded person who understands that the Christian faith is not simply about justice (in the law and order sense), but also about mercy. Name one other school that has a mens homeless shelter in its basement, where the boys serve lunch those in greatest need in our community, and talk to them.
5. Sports - I don't know if your son likes sports, but there are several no cut sports there. There are lots of kids who can't make the elite stick-and ball teams, but the coaches have a knack for finding the ones who are good athletes, introducing them to something new like crew or rugby, and wishing them well 4 years later when they go off to places like Harvard or PSU on athletic scholarships.
6. On balance, the families are genuinely nice. Sure, you get some power players (Rand Paul, Paul Begala, and Joe Crowley's kids were all in my son's class), but they have to pick up their kids at practice just like you and me, and don't stand off in a corner by themselve.
7. Getting there - it is actually quite independence building for a 9th grade boy to take the Metro to school in the downtown of a major metro area.
8. Finally, as a parent, whenever you go to the school for something, it is an excellent opportunity to visit the Dubliner. Also, whoever does the laundry around your house will find it very easy because you just do one giant purple load.

I'm happy to answer any specific questions you may have. Yep, it's a little bit of a cult, but when you experience it as a parent or a student, you get it.

Wonderful - thanks! Will get back to you once we have a chance to visit and do more research. Are there any schools, S/S or otherwise, you hear negative things about? I get the family thing too - my daughter's school has a few children of pro athletes and other DC power players (the kind with $50mm yachts), but I think within the school environment that stuff is tempered for the betterment of the children (who mostly don't know about those things yet - well, some do....;)). Thanks again!
 
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One other note midnighter - my son also went to the heights for a year in elementary school. Big mistake - not because of its conservatism (of which it has an excess), but because that's simply too young an age to expect a boy to make and retain friendships across the Potomac Ocean. (The heights also sort of takes Lord of the Flies philosophy of letting the boys sort it out to an extreme -- on my son's last "field day," his event was "Bull in the Ring". Yeah, that bull in the ring, like the offensive and defensive linemen run on the first day of training camp. except without pads or helmets).
 
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Wonderful - thanks! Will get back to you once we have a chance to visit and do more research. Are there any schools, S/S or otherwise, you hear negative things about? I get the family thing too - my daughter's school has a few children of pro athletes and other DC power players (the kind with $50mm yachts), but I think within the school environment that stuff is tempered for the betterment of the children (who mostly don't know about those things yet - well, some do....;). Thanks again!
my pleasure, happy to talk about it over a beer if we could figure out a way to connect.
 
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My brothers and I went to an all male high-school, sisters went to an all female high-school. It's a much more relaxed academic environment, more conducive to learning since you are not trying to impress or vie for anyone's attention. That was only high-school though. I don't know that I really see the benefit for elementary age kids.

Thanks - one parochial co-ed school we looked at for my daughter separated boys/girls for certain science classes (around when they hit puberty) and I thought that was smart. And for my son, any elementary education he gets will be mostly co-ed since most S/S schools don't start until around 3rd or 4th grade.
 
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Background information: I went to public schools (co-ed) for my K-12 experience. I thought that was the best experience for anyone; as I was going through school. I started teaching in an all boys HS, for my first two years out of college. It was a great experience and I realized that it was much richer than my own HS experience.

My daughter attended co-ed public and parochial school for K-8. We sent her to an all girls HS, at my suggestion, and to her initial objection; but she ended up thriving well for her 9-12 experience. She realized after 2 days of HS, that her all girl HS experience was far better. She loved her all girl HS experience, then went on to Penn State for college.

I can bore you with anecdotal reasons for same sex schools, but I’m a firm believer in them, especially for the hormone induced HS ages.

One question I asked a new head of school (who was coming from an exclusive, all girl HS in DC) was her thoughts on SS schools. She said with the girls, they were all very brilliant and confident, but more ruthless. I can see that.
 
One question I asked a new head of school (who was coming from an exclusive, all girl HS in DC) was her thoughts on SS schools. She said with the girls, they were all very brilliant and confident, but more ruthless. I can see that.
...and that's before you start talking about their mothers. For some, if the daughter hasn't solved pi to at least 300 digits by tenth grade, all extracurriculars will be revoked.
 
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I went to one. It seemed good at the time and worked out fine for me, but you know what--that's not the way the world actually works. Especially not now.

I think that part of education should be to learn how to interact and work with all kinds of people, especially the kind that will make up ~50% of your future colleagues.
 
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Wonder how many old guys on this board felt their blood pressure rise when they read “same sex” in the thread title.
 
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Wonder how many old guys on this board felt their blood pressure rise when they read “same sex” in the thread title.

What's the appropriate terminology? I'm just using what is commonly used (or that I've heard...)...🤷‍♂️
 
private school and uniforms! Those are the key ingredients. First, private schools throw out kids that cause trouble while public schools have a lot of red tape to get through. Second, uniforms are a lot less stressful and expensive.

My daughter goes to an all-girls school. We and she love it.
 
private school and uniforms! Those are the key ingredients. First, private schools throw out kids that cause trouble while public schools have a lot of red tape to get through. Second, uniforms are a lot less stressful and expensive.

My daughter goes to an all-girls school. We and she love it.

I am looking forward to uniforms for my daughter; her school doesn't start them until 4th grade...
 
I am looking forward to uniforms for my daughter; her school doesn't start them until 4th grade...
well, there used to be a lot of angst in the mornings at the Oblivax household before unis. Nothing matches, everything is dirty, why didn't you wash my clothes, wash your own damn clothes, what should I wear today, my friends say that makes me look fat, Judy is wearing Lulu Lemons and these are just DSPs.....

The school partners with an all -boys school so the girls dance team dances at the boy's games and all.

My wife always says that my daughter needs more "catholic guilt" before she goes off to college.
 
I am a big believer in public schools, I think the USA education system is one of the big reasons that the USA became the dominant world power as the society was so educated. That said, the USA education system has gone downhill over the past 20 years as the teacher's union protects bad teachers to the point there are way too many of them in schools now, even good public schools are full of bad teachers now-a-days.

If you do send your kids to public school, you have to be your own kid's ally and promoter. Need to find out who the good teachers are and who are the bad one's (easy to find now as most schools have parent facebook groups where that type of information is easy to find) and then sit down with the guidance counselor and construct the best schedule possible. If you don't do that, way to easy for a kid to get a few bad teachers and really struggle.

If money is no issue (and time assuming that the private school is not as close as the public school and requires more time and effort on your and your child to get there and get home) then I think private school is generally the way to go as the bad teacher thing pretty much doesn't exist. Also depends on the private school, if your kid is really smart, do they offer up the same amount and type of AP classes as the public school. Many times private schools don't have a real good offering for the really top end students. But at the same time, if you son is just average of above average, many times private schools help them out a lot with better teachers and more individual time with teachers to make sure your child ends up with a good education. I also know a fried that sends their kid to an all boys school as the kid is girl crazy. Basically the parents recognize if their son was in public school that he would get way to distracted by girls to be able to think about school.
 
I am a big believer in public schools, I think the USA education system is one of the big reasons that the USA became the dominant world power as the society was so educated. That said, the USA education system has gone downhill over the past 20 years as the teacher's union protects bad teachers to the point there are way too many of them in schools now, even good public schools are full of bad teachers now-a-days.

If you do send your kids to public school, you have to be your own kid's ally and promoter. Need to find out who the good teachers are and who are the bad one's (easy to find now as most schools have parent facebook groups where that type of information is easy to find) and then sit down with the guidance counselor and construct the best schedule possible. If you don't do that, way to easy for a kid to get a few bad teachers and really struggle.

If money is no issue (and time assuming that the private school is not as close as the public school and requires more time and effort on your and your child to get there and get home) then I think private school is generally the way to go as the bad teacher thing pretty much doesn't exist. Also depends on the private school, if your kid is really smart, do they offer up the same amount and type of AP classes as the public school. Many times private schools don't have a real good offering for the really top end students. But at the same time, if you son is just average of above average, many times private schools help them out a lot with better teachers and more individual time with teachers to make sure your child ends up with a good education. I also know a fried that sends their kid to an all boys school as the kid is girl crazy. Basically the parents recognize if their son was in public school that he would get way to distracted by girls to be able to think about school.

Well, there are excellent public schools in my area - probably the best in Virginia. But, I lost the public/private school debate with the wife who has her own reasons for private school (which I agree with). As noted, they don't put up with trouble students, a majority of parents are heavily invested and participate in activities (and various school committees) and care about their children's education, and there is a lot of parent/school interaction. My daughter's school also had the space and resources to re-open last year for modified in-person classes which even many other DC-area independent schools were not able to do (some of which has to do with being in DC, others simply don't have the space). Anyway - point is the public/private debate is over for us; settled law as it were so I'm moving on... :).
 
Well, there are excellent public schools in my area - probably the best in Virginia. But, I lost the public/private school debate with the wife who has her own reasons for private school (which I agree with). As noted, they don't put up with trouble students, a majority of parents are heavily invested and participate in activities (and various school committees) and care about their children's education, and there is a lot of parent/school interaction. My daughter's school also had the space and resources to re-open last year for modified in-person classes which even many other DC-area independent schools were not able to do (some of which has to do with being in DC, others simply don't have the space). Anyway - point is the public/private debate is over for us; settled law as it were so I'm moving on... :).

yeah, know a lot of parents with means moved their kids to private schools as they handled Covid way better than public schools.

Here is a question...does your son have an opinion on which school he wants to goto. Be a lot easier for you (and him) if he is on board and thinks he made the pick. in the end, if you are talking private school, I don't think same sex vs. co-ed is going to make a huge difference as the big jump from public to private is the main move. Even if all boys school, they typically have a relationship with a girls school and most likely your son will still have local friends going to public school such that he will be going out to party's local.
 
I went to one. It seemed good at the time and worked out fine for me, but you know what--that's not the way the world actually works. Especially not now.

I think that part of education should be to learn how to interact and work with all kinds of people, especially the kind that will make up ~50% of your future colleagues.
It's a fair point to consider, but I tend to think it's a bit of a red herring. The boys are not in fact cloistered, the world at large is full of instant communication that facilitates co ed interactions in a variety of settings.
 
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private school and uniforms! Those are the key ingredients. First, private schools throw out kids that cause trouble while public schools have a lot of red tape to get through. Second, uniforms are a lot less stressful and expensive.

My daughter goes to an all-girls school. We and she love it.
it's funny. when i was growing up in central pa, catholic school was where you had to go if you got into trouble in private school, and here in dc where my wife grew up, public school was where you had to go when you got in trouble in catholic school..
 
Well, there are excellent public schools in my area - probably the best in Virginia. But, I lost the public/private school debate with the wife who has her own reasons for private school (which I agree with). As noted, they don't put up with trouble students, a majority of parents are heavily invested and participate in activities (and various school committees) and care about their children's education, and there is a lot of parent/school interaction. My daughter's school also had the space and resources to re-open last year for modified in-person classes which even many other DC-area independent schools were not able to do (some of which has to do with being in DC, others simply don't have the space). Anyway - point is the public/private debate is over for us; settled law as it were so I'm moving on... :).
Resistance is futile.
 
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it's funny. when i was growing up in central pa, catholic school was where you had to go if you got into trouble in private school, and here in dc where my wife grew up, public school was where you had to go when you got in trouble in catholic school..
Just to be clear here...it isn't that you were kicked out, the parents move kids that get into fights or drugs to a catholic school to give them a little discipline. One of my daughter's friends got caught smoking dope in the bathroom at at 15. Parents now pay the fright to get her out of that environment (which, honestly, isn't all that much better as they all go to parties and smoke just about every weekend).
 
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I attended an all boys high school (Seton Hall Prep) in NJ. I would have no problems recommending SS education. My twins attended a small co-ed private school for K-12 as it was the best choice in our area (MD). We were very happy with it and they went on to successful college and now professional lives. To me, it comes down to the curriculum and the individual school. I would not even consider sending my kids to public school. If you find a way to pay for private school it's worth every penny. Visit the school and talk to the kids. You will be able to learn a lot by talking to the students.
 
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It's a fair point to consider, but I tend to think it's a bit of a red herring. The boys are not in fact cloistered, the world at large is full of instant communication that facilitates co ed interactions in a variety of settings.
That's not the same.
 
It's a fair point to consider, but I tend to think it's a bit of a red herring. The boys are not in fact cloistered, the world at large is full of instant communication that facilitates co ed interactions in a variety of settings.

look at it the opposite way. if you are in a co-ed school, you basically have to deal with girls and women. If you are in an all boys schools then you can never have to deal with them. High schools boys that want to hang out with girls will find a way, no doubt about it. but if your kid is really shy, it will allow them to shut off from 50% of the world (girls) to a certain extent, i think that would be the fear.
 
look at it the opposite way. if you are in a co-ed school, you basically have to deal with girls and women. If you are in an all boys schools then you can never have to deal with them. High schools boys that want to hang out with girls will find a way, no doubt about it. but if your kid is really shy, it will allow them to shut off from 50% of the world (girls) to a certain extent, i think that would be the fear.
Boy, I couldn't disagree with you more. it's just not the world we live in.

For what it's worth, but admittedly anecdotally, my son is more to the wallflower side. Dealt with girls on lots of things in school and out. In college, routinely works on coeducational design/development teams. No problems whatsoever, whether as boss or worker bee, though he did once mention that self-segregated "girls team" of engineers whose prototype for one of their projects failed miserably.
 
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