OT: Game of Thrones:S5:Ep9 Spoilers
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For those of us who wanted dragons, we got dragon. I was joking about Tyrion flying on a back of a dragon earlier this week. Damn Stannis! We were just beginning to like you. Where was John Snow when you need him? I was surprised that the night watch opened the door. Tensions running high at the north wall. Ramsey is a little slyer than I gave him credit.
Will Arya and Brienne soon get their revenge? Well, in Arya's case, erase a name off her list?
Will Arya and Brienne soon get their revenge? Well, in Arya's case, erase a name off her list?
Really enjoyed the ending, but yeah....
Like I said a couple weeks ago, if something horrible can happen to someone good, it will. The shock value is gone, it's just expected because that's all that ever happens. And of course this won't end well for Stannis now. Even if it did, who cares, her screams would haunt his every night. It's just a shame such a great show/book series has to resort to this every single time. That's not being creative, it's just sadistic.
Like I said a couple weeks ago, if something horrible can happen to someone good, it will. The shock value is gone, it's just expected because that's all that ever happens. And of course this won't end well for Stannis now. Even if it did, who cares, her screams would haunt his every night. It's just a shame such a great show/book series has to resort to this every single time. That's not being creative, it's just sadistic.
I knew Shireen was a done for when Stannis sent away Davos to Castle Black. Thought this episode was kind of boring until the dragon showed up at the end. Really think this entire season has been lackluster in the action department compared to other seasons. Hopefully the final episode is epic.
I'm guessing Sir Davos has had his fill of Stannis. He'll likely ally himself to Jon Snow at this point.
Screw Stannis - he is just a character in a book. And human being that wasn't, and still isn't, bothered by Shireen's screams - well not going there. As a father that scene really tore at my heart. No man with any semblance of good in them would have done that to his child.
I wonder what Jon will do if he learns that Sansa is in Winterfell...
Next week is going to be rather interesting.
I wonder what Jon will do if he learns that Sansa is in Winterfell...
Next week is going to be rather interesting.
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Will have a more thoughtful response later this morning, but I really liked last night's episode - the ending was fantastic!! Shireen was a goner the minute Melisandre insisted she accompany them on this trip. Show runner David Weiss had a pretty good analysis of the necessity of this scene on EW.com. I mean, yes, the shock value of characters we like dying has passed, and what Stannis did was deplorable, but nothing tops what Joffrey did to all 'potential' Robert bastards in Season 1 - he literally killed dozens of children and no one seemed to care. Same when Theon burned those two farm boys.
Will just say that Drogon showing up when Dany needed him most was kick ass! Clearly attacking from the ground has it's disadvantages, but he killed about 50 Harpys in a minute. And Dany flying on his back!?! YES!
Link to EW story:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/07/game-thrones-Shireen
Will just say that Drogon showing up when Dany needed him most was kick ass! Clearly attacking from the ground has it's disadvantages, but he killed about 50 Harpys in a minute. And Dany flying on his back!?! YES!
Link to EW story:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/07/game-thrones-Shireen
Another book spoiler. People have been speculating for years how and when Shireen would be sacrificed. The show doing it like this is interesting. That makes it interesting to see if the reason book readers thought she'd be sacrificed will happen next week.
Yeah I'm not trying to say the show has gotten worse, I know things just as horrible have been going on since the beginning, it's just gotten old for me. Not the show, just that aspect of it. If there's anyone good or with any kind of innocence to them, Martin insists that they suffer horrifying fates. Doing that 100% of the time is just stupid IMO.
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Except that Shireen doesn't die in the books (at least not yet). The good news though is that for the first time our 'good guys' are doing good things - Dany, Tyrion, Arya, and Jon are at least better off than they were a couple seasons ago (maybe not Jon as much as the others). Also things are looking up for Margaery I think...and I have a feeling Sansa is about to get some relief.
Poor Shireen. It's been coming for weeks though. Stannis's acting was phenomenal. He wasn't cold or heartless, there was definite pain in those eyes. He's selfish as he's always been to get to the throne and this was another necessary step in his opinion. But it still hurt him.
I was expecting a more aerial attack from Drogon. The spears hurt. I was still expecting Dany to ride off on him, but as he's getting pummeled by sprays, I was partially fearing that HBO would have him just go crazy killing all harpies and dying in the process. It was good to see him and Dany get out, but I wish maybe he would've eliminated more of the threat so it would be a little more believable that Tyrion/Jorah/Daario get out alive. Dany better not have greyscale from Ser Friendzone.
I was expecting a more aerial attack from Drogon. The spears hurt. I was still expecting Dany to ride off on him, but as he's getting pummeled by sprays, I was partially fearing that HBO would have him just go crazy killing all harpies and dying in the process. It was good to see him and Dany get out, but I wish maybe he would've eliminated more of the threat so it would be a little more believable that Tyrion/Jorah/Daario get out alive. Dany better not have greyscale from Ser Friendzone.
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Hoping this causes Dany to get her other two dragons out of captivity. And one gripe I have when scenes like the Harpy scene happened last night is that Dany has an army of what, 25,000? And she takes two dozen to guard her in a huge arena? Also, I don't think I've ever seen another Second Son - Daario seems to be the only one despite him having 2,000 with him.
Second Sons have disappeared and the Unsullied seem to have gotten a lot worse at fighting this season. I'm OK with it I guess since this is still where the story was going anyway, but it's easy to forget that Dany has the ridiculous army we saw marching in the finale of Season 3.
I was expecting a parallel scene where the Sons of Harpy try to kill the 2 chained dragons and the dragons end up escaping. I'm not sure where they're going with those 2 since I know it's not possible for it to happen the same way as in the book, but hopefully it happens next week.
There is so much to cover next week that I'm afraid we're either not going to get to much of it. Big things still expected for Jon, Cersei, Arya, Winterfell, let alone the aftermath in Mereen and more time-wasting in Dorne. Last season's episode 9 ended with a gut-punch feeling of hopelessness when Oberyn died and Tryion was sentenced to death. Episode 10 had enough space for resolution and then a great closure with Tyrion/Tywin. Due to where we are this season, I don't know that we'll get all the closure we want. I know the last book ends with a big cliffhanger. I always thought this season would show it and show the resolution too, since it would be too difficult to keep it a secret for 10 months with leaks about filming schedules, etc, but I have my doubts now.
The next book should be out by the start of season 6 which means we'll get a resolution to that cliffhanger before next year anyway.
I thought Shireen would be the resolution to that cliffhanger.
I was kind of expecting the harpies to show up at the arena - it just made sense. Dany is MUCH more intelligent to just leave herself in the middle of 50,000+ people with only 24 or so soldiers to defend her... I was wondering if the 'tool' she chose to marry was actually working with the harpies to try to get Dany killed, sure seemed that way.
My bet is next week things will begin to look very gloomy for her friends in the arena, then she'll free her other children, and bring all three back to rescue her friends. When she was standing there, closed her eyes, and raised her face to the clouds - she was calling for Drogon. His appearance was nothing short of AWESOME!
Winterfell is going to be quite epic next week... I hope.
My bet is next week things will begin to look very gloomy for her friends in the arena, then she'll free her other children, and bring all three back to rescue her friends. When she was standing there, closed her eyes, and raised her face to the clouds - she was calling for Drogon. His appearance was nothing short of AWESOME!
Winterfell is going to be quite epic next week... I hope.
The preview for next week just shows Jorah/Tyrion/Daario sitting in what I believe is the pyramid discussing what to do next. I think the escape is just assumed offscreen.
That's a great point. They showed a close up of Dani taking Jorah's hand....greyscale?
Remember the episode next week is called "Mother's Mercy"...so my guess is her other children are set free,
lionroar I thought the same thing about Dany closing her eyes and summoning Drogon, but the writers of the show said that she was actually closing her eyes because she thought it was the end and that she was going to die.
Wasn't Shireen's sacrifice based on circular logic. Stannis sacrificed her because she supposedly had king's blood. But she would only have "king's blood" if Stannis were in fact the true king. And if he were the true king, then he shouldn't have to sacrifice her to make it so. Am I missing something?
I don't know enough about greyscale to know if it's spread just by touching one who's infected or by touching the sore directly. I know he's been wearing a cover on his wrist. That would be a bummer.
He believe he is the true king (and he is right to succeed Robert if the Joff/Tommen are not Robert's) but the laws and records state Tommen is a Baratheon until proven otherwise. Stannis is therefore viewed as a traitor to the iron throne and will need to take the seat by force, the same way his brother did from the Targs. He's doing this to ensure his destiny and hopefully not die/freeze/starve in the process. Even if he is the true king, he's not invincible.
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The key I think is whether or not Melisandre is of the opinion the blood is worthy or 'king's blood.' Robert was the true king (after rebelling against the Targaryons) and had no high born heirs (Cersei's first child, likely Robert's, died in childbirth) - only bastards. Thus, Stannis would have the best and most legitimate claim to the throne (assuming he can prove Tommen, Joffrey, and Myrcella are all Jaime's). Of course, Melisandre did her magic before using the blood of one of Robert's bastards (Gendry), and if that worked, surely the offspring of Stannis would work. However, this was a different than what she did with Gendry - she used his blood to curse Joffrey (dead), Robb Stark (dead) and Balon Greyjoy (not dead - yet). Gendry still lived and got to make sexy time with her (before escaping with Davos's help). Shireen was sacrificed, and I'm not sure what the difference is, especially since Melisandre only needs the blood to apply the curse we've seen previously.
This is just my suspicion, but I have a feeling Dany is one of those that just so happens to be unaffected by greyscale - or if she can get it, it won't kill her. The one that I worry about, though, is Missandei. Before closing her eyes right before Drogon showed up, Dany reached over and took Missandei's hand. The camera seemed to linger on that for a moment, similarly to when Jorah and Dany grasped hands.
How lame would it be if a gay contagious disease brought down the Mother of dragons and most popular character on the show. That would just piss me off.
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Could be something to this. Danaerys is already fire resistant. Of course, those with gray scale aren't necessarily from Valyria; they were sent there after the city had fallen to the 'doom'.
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That dude was really annoying. Really funny to see Daario egging him on about big vs. fast fighters. Then he gets offed, and by a Harpy. LOL...
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I really, really, really hope we get to see the fate of Mereen and the Masters. Dany has been pretty patient and relatively kind with her handling of the city. In her pre-fight conversations with Daario, Hozar (sp?) and Tyrion she suggests her patience is running out (and will burn the city to the ground if need be - paraphrasing). What are the odds she turns the place to ash?
Well, I guess I get exactly ONE more week of being an annoying spoiler nerd?
At this point, the show has pretty much already caught up to the end of Book 5, so I have no idea what happens next. But I'll offer a few spoilers/thoughts.
So far the show and Books have only really significantly diverged in 2-3 ways. Mostly to get rid of a lot of boring nonsense from the last two books.
I guess we know why its called A Song of Ice and Fire? Last week we had ice zombies, now we have fire-breathing dragons. I don't know what true vision/power Melisandre has - she has visions about a great battle in the snow - but perhaps she misread WHO the Lord of Light will be? Did you notice that both the Night's King AND Thoros of Myr (another follower of Melisandre's God) both have the power to raise the dead? That can't be coincidence.
Everybody who is speculating about Dani - the greyscale isn't even really an issue! The scene with Dani getting rescued by Drogon comes almost at the end of Book 5. There should be ONE MORE scene with our Khaleesi in next week's episode. And that will likely be one of the two big cliffhangers next week. I suspect its going to be the very last scene of the year. Notice I used her OLD title...
The other big cliffhanger will take place at The Wall. I'm still wondering when Sam/Gilly get sent off on their mission. This will likely be the next to last scene. Jon knows nothing...
They sped the Arya story along. I suspect they added a little red meat into this storyline on the show - so they'll either end this season on a happy note or a frightening one with a happy one at the start of next season for our little ninja. Depends how J'har takes to her little side mission. WHEN Arya finally learns to serve the Many-Faced God, she'll be badass.
You all forgot about Cersei and Margaery. Next week's episode is called Mother's Mercy, so expect most of the plot to focus in King's Landing...with most of the real bombs thrown elsewhere. Hopefully we'll find out more about the Lannister vs. Tyrell civil war and how Littlefinger has weaved into it all. And Lena Headley's may get a new entry on Mr. Skin, but not exactly a pleasant scene.
Dorne's "plot" will be revealed finally, and I expect we might see the Ironborn pirates sometime soon too - because they all have the same general idea.
In a way, Stannis vs. Bolton and Cersei vs. Margaery (even Lanister vs. Tyrell) are all misdirection. If the last two episodes are any indication, the REAL battle is yet to come - Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons vs. The Night's King and his army of ice zombies. That's probably how the show and books end. That's when Brandon Stark's role becomes clear, when Sam Tarly's book smart becomes important. And if you haven't figure it out - the biggest next step in this is figuring out how to get a Khaleesi and her Dragons off of one continent onto another. Which of the great houses of Westeros will survive? Well, go back and watch last episode's conversation with Tyrion and Dani for more speculation. Who is going to fight for their own power, and who will fight to save Westeros?
Jon just saw an army of undead lurking North of the wall.
Everything he'll do will be to try to defeat them. If Stannis offers him men, he'll be tempted to ally with Stannis.
Unfortunately, Jon's allies grow short, and not everybody at Castle Black understands the threat lurking north of the wall.
The dragons aren't even fully grown yet, so they're going to become more powerful weapons. Mereen? Lousy spot, I wouldn't waste any more time there if I was Dani. Why bother frying harpies when there are walkers to take on!
And pretty sure a woman immune to fire won't let a little alien leprosy bother her. (Ser Friendzone...love that video!)
The only person that really sees the threat to Westeros is Jon Snow. And he knows nothing. Perhaps Melisandre, but she might be reading the flames wrong. Winter is coming.
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Thanks! I love reading these posts - always enough there to hint at some things but nothing too spoilery. Not going to ask a ton of follow up questions but would like a *bit* more clarification about the title you used for Dany. Khaleesi is certainly an 'old' title, but she has like, twenty of them - what is the significance (unless it's too spoilery)? So far she has:
The Unburnt
Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and of the First Men
Queen of Meereen
Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea
Breaker of Chains
Mother of Dragons
I'm guessing she drops 'Queen of Mereen'....and/or has some sort of Dothraki re-connection?
Ok, this is going to probably give it away...when last we saw Dani, she finally got to experience what its like to ride on a dragon! Question is: where did that dragon take her?
I'm guessing next week will be 59 minutes of: Where did Dani go? And 1 last final scene showing Dani going out of the frying pan and into the fire. (Wrong fantasy series reference)
Its a big continent. If you can, google a map of Essos. And see what lies near Mereen, as the dragon flies.
Dorne's been dumbed down from the books beyond belief. I'm not so sure there is a plot in the show anymore other than a Baratheon-Martell marriage and peace. I hope I'm wrong.
You did a way better job being hinting then I could have without giving too much away. The question is who sends Davos on his mission? I think his mission in the books is a massively important one for book 6/7.
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