OT - Hard alcohol ban ordered for most US fraternities

[PS4814]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0116768e499_story.html?utm_term=.0ec8f2297215

"A ban intending to clamp down on hard liquor at frat house parties following pledge deaths last year has been ordered for most fraternities in the United States and Canada, unless the drinks are served by someone with a liquor license.

All international and national fraternities of the North-American Interfraternity Conference have a year to prohibit drinks with an alcohol content of 15 percent or more from fraternity chapters and events, unless it is served by licensed third-party vendors, the group said Tuesday.

The rule was adopted Aug. 27 in a “near-unanimous vote” and must be implemented by Sept. 1, 2019, conference spokeswoman Heather Kirk said in an emailed release. The group has more than 6,100 chapters on 800 campuses."

 

[Nitt1300]

I don't remember that we ever served anything but beer. It didn't keep us from getting staggering drunk if that was our intent.

 

[KnightSlayer]

I don't remember that we ever served anything but beer. It didn't keep us from getting staggering drunk if that was our intent.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

 

[PS4814]

I don't remember that we ever served anything but beer. It didn't keep us from getting staggering drunk if that was our intent.

That's what I remember as well - sure there was some jungle juice for those that didn't like beer - but apparently in the last few years the kids have started hitting the hard stuff much more than we used to. With that said it's easier to over imbibe on the liquor than beer when you're inexperienced with your tolerance simply by the fact of the amount of fluid your stomach can hold.

I'm on board with this ban and hopefully it pushes the needle back in the direction of a less dangerous form of alcohol consumption.

 

[interrobang]

What's next, they're going to ban hazing and underage drinking?

Oh wait.

 

[LionDeNittany]

I don't remember that we ever served anything but beer. It didn't keep us from getting staggering drunk if that was our intent.

At Penn State several fraternities had a full bar with a pledge serving.

LdN

 

[Pardlion]

Well, I think that what has happened is that when schools crack down on underage drinking, the first casualty is beer, because it is the hardest to hide and easiest to detect. That causes kids to turn more to hard alcohol and drugs. Now, they will crack down on hard alcohol, due to the its obviously more harmful nature. This will not ease up the pressure on beer parties, but instead will drive kids more towards drugs, which are becoming increasingly easier and cheaper to get.

 

[interrobang]

Didn't the ban on kegs actually contribute to the rise of hard alcohol abuse?

Be careful what you wish for, rulemakers

 

[MJG-90]

With beer, you can certainly get very drunk. But the stomach only has so much volume. It's more difficult to drink six beers in an hour than it is to down 6 shots in two minutes. Makes it more difficult to get to the point of a potential fatality. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that it's more difficult.

We used to have our own version of "black friday" every fall. Each participant would buy a case of black label and try to drink two per hour from noon thru midnight. I found that challenge to be more difficult because I'd get too full before I got too drunk. Then I'd end up sluggish and falling asleep and couldn't catch up. Other guys would finish early and hit the bars. I have no idea how they managed that. Best I ever did was finish the next day.

 

[razpsu]

Yes. And it created a lot of
Kids these days as hard liquor drinkers where we mostly were hard beer drinkers.
To this day I cannot have more than a couple liquor drinks without stopping for the night. I have seen several of my friends kids drink at tailgates and it is amazing how they just keep drinking liquor and don’t even touch the beer .

 

[KnightSlayer]

Does this ban include butt chugging wine? Asking for a friend.

 

[MtNittany]

What's next, they're going to ban hazing and underage drinking?

Oh wait.

Watch for State College to double down on their keg ban. Maybe reduce the maximum beer container size to 8 ounces in an effort to create more trash.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Didn't the ban on kegs actually contribute to the rise of hard alcohol abuse?

Be careful what you wish for, rulemakers

Yup - UPenn passed a keg ban in the late 80s due to some deaths at Princeton and Rutgers that had nothing to do with beer. Damn right it pushed kids to other forms of alcohol

 

[fastlax16]

Didn't the ban on kegs actually contribute to the rise of hard alcohol abuse?

Be careful what you wish for, rulemakers

Yes.

 

[LealandLoyal]

Banning kegs was the dumbest thing Graham Spanier ever did (um, check that, the second dumbest thing he ever did!). At a keg party you spend significant time waiting in line to get to the tap. Paces your drinking. Without the keg, you have immediate access to the can or bottle. And a lot more ugly trash than just plastic beer cups laying around.

 

[PS4814]

Banning kegs was the dumbest thing Graham Spanier ever did (um, check that, the second dumbest thing he ever did!). At a keg party you spend significant time waiting in line to get to the tap. Paces your drinking. Without the keg, you have immediate access to the can or bottle. And a lot more ugly trash than just plastic beer cups laying around.

Don't forget the time you had to wait for the head on your beer to settle b/c the idiot in front of you pumped the keg 37 times when they were tapping their beer.

 

[fizzyskittles]

I love high end tequila, great bourbons, and great single malts. I tend to have them at home only, or limit myself to one while out. And the reason is it’s so easy to overdo it with hard alcohol.
Combine this with immaturity and drinking to get hammered and it’s easy to have disasters. Getting back to beer only should decrease some of these issues.
I know personally it’s easier for me to not over indulge with beer as opposed to hard alcohol.

 

[tboyer]

I'm sure this rule will be respected just as much as all the other rules and laws involving alcohol at fraternities. Just picture the fraternity parties -- everybody will be in button down shirts sipping little glasses of chardonnay. And everybody under 21 will be stone cold sober.

The fraternity brothers I've known, if there's one thing you could say about them, those boys were rule followers. They went to church every Sunday, said prayers before meals and never, ever would have had sex before marriage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0116768e499_story.html?utm_term=.0ec8f2297215

 

[spoog48]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0116768e499_story.html?utm_term=.0ec8f2297215

"A ban intending to clamp down on hard liquor at frat house parties following pledge deaths last year has been ordered for most fraternities in the United States and Canada, unless the drinks are served by someone with a liquor license.

All international and national fraternities of the North-American Interfraternity Conference have a year to prohibit drinks with an alcohol content of 15 percent or more from fraternity chapters and events, unless it is served by licensed third-party vendors, the group said Tuesday.

The rule was adopted Aug. 27 in a “near-unanimous vote” and must be implemented by Sept. 1, 2019, conference spokeswoman Heather Kirk said in an emailed release. The group has more than 6,100 chapters on 800 campuses."

The same morons banned kegs which started the shift to hard alcohol.

 

[spoog48]

I don't remember that we ever served anything but beer. It didn't keep us from getting staggering drunk if that was our intent.

The problem is the schools and nationals banned kegs. Their actions started the shift to hard alcohol.

You got staggering drunk but you did not die. Most of the alcohol deaths involve hard alcohol.

 

[heckmans]

FWIW - This topic is NOTHING to do with "banning underage drinking" (which, I agree, would be a futile effort).
This is about "altering the weapon of choice" for young drinkers.


If youngsters are going to drink - and I believe that is a given - making "hard liquor" less easy to obtain, and more punitive vav potential punishments, is going to lead to some degree of shift away from "hard liquor". (To what magnitude? Who Knows? But it is the most basic of common sense that the shift will be in that direction.)
And if, indeed - as the data seems to consistently indicate - beer, as opposed to "hard liquor" results in reduced traumatic outcomes for younger drinkers..... then it is a very doable beneficial proposition.

I heard Hickey was a giant promoter of this. "Hard Liquor is dangerous," he said. "15 solo cups full of beer is much less dangerous. They are also on sale this week for $3.99."

 

[heckmans]

The same morons banned kegs which started the shift to hard alcohol.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Governing actions, no matter how well intended, always have unintended consequences.
Kegs of beer is the cheapest alcohol to buy/transport/store in volume.
When kegs were banned, hard alcohol became the cheapest option to buy/transport/store in volume.

Remember this the next time the federal government has some really great idea to improve your life.

 

[joeparules]

Didn't the ban on kegs actually contribute to the rise of hard alcohol abuse?

I have heard this and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

With beer, you can certainly get very drunk. But the stomach only has so much volume. It's more difficult to drink six beers in an hour than it is to down 6 shots in two minutes. Makes it more difficult to get to the point of a potential fatality. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that it's more difficult.

We used to have our own version of "black friday" every fall. Each participant would buy a case of black label and try to drink two per hour from noon thru midnight. I found that challenge to be more difficult because I'd get too full before I got too drunk. Then I'd end up sluggish and falling asleep and couldn't catch up. Other guys would finish early and hit the bars. I have no idea how they managed that. Best I ever did was finish the next day.

Did some quick math and one handle (50.7 oz) of 80 proof alcohol is equal to just over 7 six-packs of 4% ABV beer. Which would you rather carry to a party? Can you drink 42 beers (504 oz) in one night?

My freshman year (1981) I got a case of beer (I think it was Moosehead) since two high school friends were coming up the Friday before the PSU-Notre Dame game and then driving me home after the game for Thanksgiving break. Then I found out they got in trouble with their parents and not able to make it about 4:00 Friday afternoon. My high IQ told me I had about 24 hours to drink 24 beers and set off to finish it myself. I was able to drink 19 (including two I smuggled into Beaver Stadium in my socks). My point is it is near impossible to transport and drink 42 beers, but I'm sure many students have tried to finish off a handle in one night which will lead to alcohol poisoning.

 

[massimoManca II]

Didn't the ban on kegs actually contribute to the rise of hard alcohol abuse?

Be careful what you wish for, rulemakers

Absolutely

 

[Connorpozlee]

I have heard this and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Did some quick math and one handle (50.7 oz) of 80 proof alcohol is equal to just over 7 six-packs of 4% ABV beer. Which would you rather carry to a party? Can you drink 42 beers (504 oz) in one night?

My freshman year (1981) I got a case of beer (I think it was Moosehead) since two high school friends were coming up the Friday before the PSU-Notre Dame game and then driving me home after the game for Thanksgiving break. Then I found out they got in trouble with their parents and not able to make it about 4:00 Friday afternoon. My high IQ told me I had about 24 hours to drink 24 beers and set off to finish it myself. I was able to drink 19 (including two I smuggled into Beaver Stadium in my socks). My point is it is near impossible to transport and drink 42 beers, but I'm sure many students have tried to finish off a handle in one night which will lead to alcohol poisoning.

Out of curiosity when they were young, my mother once counted how many beers my father drank over the course of a day out (which ran from about noon until some time the next morning). She claimed (and not pridefully at all) that he drank 60 beers over the course of that day.

 

[joeparules]

Out of curiosity when they were young, my mother once counted how many beers my father drank over the course of a day out (which ran from about noon until some time the next morning). She claimed (and not pridefully at all) that he drank 60 beers over the course of that day.

Not sure if that is more impressive or scary!? I am obviously not worthy of holding his koozie.

 

[MJG-90]

Did some quick math and one handle (50.7 oz) of 80 proof alcohol is equal to just over 7 six-packs of 4% ABV beer. Which would you rather carry to a party? Can you drink 42 beers (504 oz) in one night?

42 beers is 3.9375 gallons. Could you imagine drinking that much? So tell me which makes more sense to allow.

 

[TheBigUglies]

You know what. I don't agree with things very often but banning kegs was stupid. All the reasons listed above apply. Created more trash, caused folks to switch to hard alcohol, waiting in lines to get beer, the foam to settle, stealing taps to take back to your apartment so you don't have to rent one next time then having it stolen from your party and then you would have to go steal one from another party etc(Although kids today prolly have enough money to buy their own taps). Anyway, I am a true believer in kegs. I didn't realize they were banned from frats as well? The other thing I remember from frat parties is that someone or a few brothers would remain sober and cut people off if they felt they had too much. I know, I got cutoff quite a bit!!

 

[Connorpozlee]

Not sure if that is more impressive or scary!? I am obviously not worthy of holding his koozie.

A little of both. At that time they were just dating. Later in life when he had a family, not so impressive.

 

[LionJim]

I'm sure this rule will be respected just as much as all the other rules and laws involving alcohol at fraternities. Just picture the fraternity parties -- everybody will be in button down shirts sipping little glasses of chardonnay. And everybody under 21 will be stone cold sober.

The fraternity brothers I've known, if there's one thing you could say about them, those boys were rule followers. They went to church every Sunday, said prayers before meals and never, ever would have had sex before marriage.

Did you matriculate at BYU?

 

[Obliviax]

Segmented prohibition.

It won't solve problems but will give an opportunity for people to be thrown out and the frat to CYA.