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OT: I hate daylight savings time - worst weekend of the year.

This might be an interesting tidbit for some here. China as big as it is, has only one time zone. Makes the issues surrounding Daylight Savings Time in the US seem like peanuts.

Not exactly. China has five time zones, but only officially acknowledges one standard time nationwide. No big deal as long as those living in the western region don't mind those summertime sunsets at midnight.

Incidentally, the single time is a vestige of Mao and the communists exerting their authority over all Chinese ethnic groups.
 
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Not exactly. China has five time zones, but only officially acknowledges one standard time nationwide.

My understanding is that China practically uses only one time zone. (You are right that there are technically multiple time zones and that the Communist party imposed one as part of a unity campaign) Am I wrong? I mostly visit Wuhan in in Central China, so I wouldn't notice extremes in daylight and night time clock usage.

Also, in quickly checking up on this, I discovered that India also has only 1 time zone. https://www.tripsavvy.com/what-is-the-india-time-zone-1539421
 
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They're tenors. Except the crows, they're just assholes.
I enyoy the crows and ravens visiting the deck and yard. This morning a raven was sitting in the high trees behind my house scoping the yard for treats. I had a half pound of week old loverwurst, cut it into bitsize chunks and deposited the meal on the rock ledge 25' from the house. Also had months old dates with pits and included them and a few pounds of horse corn kernels.

I usually feed the ravens and crows squirrels during the winter. This is the first time in over ten years of feeding the smaller birds that not one squirrel attract occurred on the bird feeders.

Last year I went through six forty lb bags of sunflower seeds, two twenty lb bags of safflower seeds for the doves & cardinals,
Two forty lbs of cheap wild bird seed, one fifty lb bag of horse corn kernels, and ten lard cakes for the wood peckers.

With no squirrels invading the feeders so far this year, I only used three bags of sunflower seeds to date and purchased a bag yestrrday., of which I'll only use half.

I don't inderstand, I see half a dozen or more squirrels on back ledge and trees during the days I'm home and they are staying away...good for me and good for them.

This year I was planning on playing a game with the ravens. If I had to put away a bushytail rodent or chipper, I would fly a red hanky on the deck. I wanted to see the length of time the raven would understand there is squirrel awaiting.
 
The fact is, however, that time is just relative. We were meant to live our lives by the rise and fall of the sun, not based upon what the clock or watch or cell phone says.
That was when farming pretty much dictated people's lives and we generally lived outdoors. That no longer applies to the majority of us.
 
I enyoy the crows and ravens visiting the deck and yard. This morning a raven was sitting in the high trees behind my house scoping the yard for treats. I had a half pound of week old loverwurst, cut it into bitsize chunks and deposited the meal on the rock ledge 25' from the house. Also had months old dates with pits and included them and a few pounds of horse corn kernels.

I usually feed the ravens and crows squirrels during the winter. This is the first time in over ten years of feeding the smaller birds that not one squirrel attract occurred on the bird feeders.

Last year I went through six forty lb bags of sunflower seeds, two twenty lb bags of safflower seeds for the doves & cardinals,
Two forty lbs of cheap wild bird seed, one fifty lb bag of horse corn kernels, and ten lard cakes for the wood peckers.

With no squirrels invading the feeders so far this year, I only used three bags of sunflower seeds to date and purchased a bag yestrrday., of which I'll only use half.

I don't inderstand, I see half a dozen or more squirrels on back ledge and trees during the days I'm home and they are staying away...good for me and good for them.

This year I was planning on playing a game with the ravens. If I had to put away a bushytail rodent or chipper, I would fly a red hanky on the deck. I wanted to see the length of time the raven would understand there is squirrel awaiting.

I give the crows grief, but they are actually highly intelligent. I saw a show where they did some absolutely amazing things. Among other things, they had a researcher teach one crow a "trick," and then that crow taught a bunch of other ones it. It was quite an eye opener and very impressive. I bet you're having a lot of fun with them to say the least.
 
I enyoy the crows and ravens visiting the deck and yard. This morning a raven was sitting in the high trees behind my house scoping the yard for treats. I had a half pound of week old loverwurst, cut it into bitsize chunks and deposited the meal on the rock ledge 25' from the house. Also had months old dates with pits and included them and a few pounds of horse corn kernels.

I usually feed the ravens and crows squirrels during the winter. This is the first time in over ten years of feeding the smaller birds that not one squirrel attract occurred on the bird feeders.

Last year I went through six forty lb bags of sunflower seeds, two twenty lb bags of safflower seeds for the doves & cardinals,
Two forty lbs of cheap wild bird seed, one fifty lb bag of horse corn kernels, and ten lard cakes for the wood peckers.

With no squirrels invading the feeders so far this year, I only used three bags of sunflower seeds to date and purchased a bag yestrrday., of which I'll only use half.

I don't inderstand, I see half a dozen or more squirrels on back ledge and trees during the days I'm home and they are staying away...good for me and good for them.

This year I was planning on playing a game with the ravens. If I had to put away a bushytail rodent or chipper, I would fly a red hanky on the deck. I wanted to see the length of time the raven would understand there is squirrel awaiting.
Google "Betty the Crow."
 
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I give the crows grief, but they are actually highly intelligent. I saw a show where they did some absolutely amazing things. Among other things, they had a researcher teach one crow a "trick," and then that crow taught a bunch of other ones it. It was quite an eye opener and very impressive. I bet you're having a lot of fun with them to say the least.
I only just now saw this. Yeah, toolmakers extraordinaire, much more so than chimpanzees, surprisingly enough .
 
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That was when farming pretty much dictated people's lives and we generally lived outdoors. That no longer applies to the majority of us.
No, the introduction of daylight savings was in part due to farmers. I was saying that the human being was created as a "diurnal" creature that was meant to be active during the daylight.

"Although nocturnal and diurnal organisms exhibit an almost antiphase in physiology, metabolism and behaviour; the main characteristics of their circadian metabolisms are largely parallel. In both cases, the master clock in the circadian cycle is the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), located in the hypothalamus [2]. The SCN receives light stimuli and “resets” the cycle in order to be synchronised with the environment. The hormone responsible for the regulation of the circadian rhythm is called melatonin, and its synthesis and release is controlled by the light-dark cycle. This hormone then regulates other biological processes to reset the clock depending on whether the animal is nocturnal or diurnal."

http://sciencefocus.ust.hk/nocturnal
 
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I love Daylight savings time!
I have solar panels.
The sun is more intense in the evening than it is in the morning.
No offense, but that seems like a ridiculous statement... how does daylight savings impact the intensity of the sun?
 
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All I know is I make more electric in the summer, when we are on daylight savings time, than I do in the winter, when we are on regular time. And I have the numbers to support it!
 
You know Ranger Dan, I know you live in York County and so do I. I believe you are closer to river than I. Maybe this is somehow impacting it????
 
All I know is I make more electric in the summer, when we are on daylight savings time, than I do in the winter, when we are on regular time. And I have the numbers to support it!
I hope so. The days are longer, there are more sunny days in the summer and the sunlight is more direct.
 
I'm hearing the FL state legislature is looking to pass a bill to permanently stay in daylight savings. I'll enjoy that (like daylight late into the evening), but it would be really weird being in a different timezone than the rest of the east coast for 1/2 the year...
 
I'm hearing the FL state legislature is looking to pass a bill to permanently stay in daylight savings. I'll enjoy that (like daylight late into the evening), but it would be really weird being in a different timezone than the rest of the east coast for 1/2 the year...
Yep. Just move time ahead one hour and keep it there.
 
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No, the introduction of daylight savings was in part due to farmers. I was saying that the human being was created as a "diurnal" creature that was meant to be active during the daylight.

"Although nocturnal and diurnal organisms exhibit an almost antiphase in physiology, metabolism and behaviour; the main characteristics of their circadian metabolisms are largely parallel. In both cases, the master clock in the circadian cycle is the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), located in the hypothalamus [2]. The SCN receives light stimuli and “resets” the cycle in order to be synchronised with the environment. The hormone responsible for the regulation of the circadian rhythm is called melatonin, and its synthesis and release is controlled by the light-dark cycle. This hormone then regulates other biological processes to reset the clock depending on whether the animal is nocturnal or diurnal."

http://sciencefocus.ust.hk/nocturnal
LATE BREAKING NEWS:

How we live today has absolutely nothing in common to how we lived 10,000 yrs ago.
 
LATE BREAKING NEWS:

How we live today has absolutely nothing in common to how we lived 10,000 yrs ago.
Wrong. It's in our biology... we haven't evolved to become nocturnal crepuscular (most active during both dawn and dusk), we still function better during daylight hours. I'm not saying that we need to sleep 12 hours a day during the winter, but this is science.
 
Wrong. It's in our biology... we haven't evolved to become nocturnal crepuscular (most active during both dawn and dusk), we still function better during daylight hours. I'm not saying that we need to sleep 12 hours a day during the winter, but this is science.
Correct. We operate better in daylight hours. Hence, in today's world, few people are outside at 4:30AM. In today's society we are more active in the early evening than in the early morning. That is largely because most of us don't wake up to milk the cows at 4:30AM. So it makes far more sense to bias the daylight hours to the evening when it would be most beneficial to the most people. Daylight standard time would waste a good bit of daylight hours in the morning when few would take advantage of it. In today's society we don't change when we wake and go to sleep based on when the sun comes up and goes down. We base when we wake and go to sleep largely on our workplace. And our work hours don't change because the sun is coming up earlier or going down later. Our work hours are fixed throughout the year.
 
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They're tenors. Except the crows, they're just assholes.
I enyoy the crows and ravens visiting the deck and yard. This morning a raven was sitting in the high trees behind my house scoping the yard for treats. I had a half pound of week old loverwurst, cut it into bitsize chunks and deposited the meal on the rock ledge 25' from the house. Also had months old dates with pits and included them and a few pounds of horse corn kernels.

I usually feed the ravens and crows squirrels during the winter. This is the first time in over ten years of feeding the smaller birds that not one squirrel attract occurred on the bird feeders.

Last year I went through six forty lb bags of sunflower seeds, two twenty lb bags of safflower seeds for the doves & cardinals,
Two forty lbs of cheap wild bird seed, one fifty lb bag of horse corn kernels, and ten lard cakes for the wood peckers.

With no squirrels invading the feeders so far this year, I only used three bags of sunflower seeds to date and purchased a bag yestrrday., of which I'll only use half.

I don't inderstand, I see half a dozen or more squirrels on back ledge and trees during the days I'm home and they are staying away...good for me and good for them.

This year I was planning on playing a game with the ravens. If I had to put away a bushytail rodent or chipper, I would fly a red hanky on the deck. I wanted to see the length of time the raven would understand there is squirrel awaiting.


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Wrong. It's in our biology... we haven't evolved to become nocturnal crepuscular (most active during both dawn and dusk), we still function better during daylight hours. I'm not saying that we need to sleep 12 hours a day during the winter, but this is science.

You're right. I just asked Alexa :D
 
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Correct. We operate better in daylight hours. Hence, in today's world, few people are outside at 4:30AM. In today's society we are more active in the early evening than in the early morning. That is largely because most of us don't wake up to milk the cows at 4:30AM. So it makes far more sense to bias the daylight hours to the evening when it would be most beneficial to the most people. Daylight standard time would waste a good bit of daylight hours in the morning when few would take advantage of it. In today's society we don't change when we wake and go to sleep based on when the sun comes up and goes down. We base when we wake and go to sleep largely on our workplace. And our work hours don't change because the sun is coming up earlier or going down later. Our work hours are fixed throughout the year.
My point is that we shouldn't be switching the time back and forth as it gets our internal clocks out of whack.
 
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I'm hearing the FL state legislature is looking to pass a bill to permanently stay in daylight savings. I'll enjoy that (like daylight late into the evening), but it would be really weird being in a different timezone than the rest of the east coast for 1/2 the year...

yeah and Monday Night Football will start 9:30PM No thanks!
 
Then what would we have to bitch about in the off-season? (There used to be a lot of chatter about all things Pitt but since they're become irrelevant in every sport that's dropped off significantly.)
 
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The fact is, however, that time is just relative. We were meant to live our lives by the rise and fall of the sun, not based upon what the clock or watch or cell phone says.

Funny. I was going to say the same thing to you. Time is an artificial construct. When "time was created" they just as easily could have created it one hour later and DST as we know it would be the norm. Stop complaining, stop being stubborn, and abandon your soap box. Just enjoy the extended summer evenings!
 
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Funny. I was going to say the same thing to you. Time is an artificial construct. When "time was created" they just as easily could have created it one hour later and DST as we know it would be the norm. Stop complaining, stop being stubborn, and abandon your soap box. Just enjoy the extended summer evenings!
It's not the time of the day that bothers me, I could care less. Its the change of time that affects me and several hundred million other Americans. BTW, we don't have extended summer evenings, we just leave work/school or have dinner earlier in the day relative to the position of the sun. We could still do that be adjusting out scheduled and not the clock.
 
It's not the time of the day that bothers me, I could care less. Its the change of time that affects me and several hundred million other Americans. BTW, we don't have extended summer evenings, we just leave work/school or have dinner earlier in the day relative to the position of the sun. We could still do that be adjusting out scheduled and not the clock.

We could still do that be adjusting out scheduled and not the clock.

What's the difference?
 
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I thought the other day, if I went to bed earlier, and then got up earlier, I could get so much more done, especially now that the daylight gets longer. Then I realized, thats what we call Day light sayings time!
 
We could still do that be adjusting out scheduled and not the clock.

What's the difference?
That fact that you don't know the difference between choosing to get up and hour earlier and changing your clock to read an our earlier explains this issue completely!
 
That fact that you don't know the difference between choosing to get up and hour earlier and changing your clock to read an our earlier explains this issue completely!
Change your schedule, change the clock, you're getting an hour earlier in both cases.
 
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