Awesome. Truly awesome.
There’s no better sport than golf.
There’s no better sport than golf.
OT: Just rewatched the final round of Phil Mickelson’s PGA championship.
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I've been told that that course is a mistake, the designer hated it and the players don't like it either. At least, that is what I was told. Well, the same person told me the Ryder Cup is just an "exhibition" and that nobody cares.
And the 2020 PGA Championship was awesome, too.
Collin Morikawa won it in good style, and it was played in August of 2020 -- one of the first big sporting events played after the pandemic began. It was welcome entertainment.
If a 50 year old chubby guy can win a championship in your sport, it’s probably not the best sport.
I like golf a lot, but let’s be honest here.
It does allow good golfers to think they are necessarily good athletes.
I take it back.
These golfers are inferior athletes from both a cardiovascular and explosive strength standpoint.
Also, the scenery sucks, and they’re all spoiled rich kids.
These golfers are inferior athletes from both a cardiovascular and explosive strength standpoint.
Also, the scenery sucks, and they’re all spoiled rich kids.
Yeah but you can’t blame anyone else if you don’t win in golf, bowling, etc.
Plus, they get lucky when they win.
And they’re morons, compared to other athletes.
What a miserable bunch of pricks.
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And they’re morons, compared to other athletes.
What a miserable bunch of pricks.
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Before I played golf, I was certain it was merely a "game." As an ex division 1 athlete that played what would be considered an "athletic" sport, and working desperately to get my handicap down in golf....I've reconsidered my position. And to the OP, yes, golf absolutely rules.
You are creating a lot of straw men.
Cardio and golf is an oxymoron like jumbo shrimp
Yes, the scenery of many courses is pleasing and the best courses are gorgeous
Fortunately Tiger and others have wrested the game from spoiled rich kids like Davis Love III, but it is still a sport with economic barriers - just like skiing and such. The barriers make the success of guys like Trevino and Larry Nelson even more commendable.
Larry Nelson’s story is amazing. Goes to Vietnam as an infantryman. Picks up the game when he comes home at the age of 21. Goes on to win 3 majors and becomes a hall of famer. Imagine if he grew up on the course like Love or Nicklaus.
I really like the game, but to say there’s no better sport when there are sports that literally billions follow with a passion, that don’t allow 50 year old pudgy guys to compete at the highest level, is a bit of an overreach.
That's exactly the point.
Athletes excel at sports, Not games.
Do you think being a Div 1 athlete helps you play chess?
LdN
50 year-old Kelly Slater just won a major surfing contest in Hawaii at Pipeline. Surfing is athletic as anything that can be imagined. 43-yr-old Brady still played football.
All time great athletes like Michael Jordan (reasonably good golfer) and Charles Barkley don't excel at golf.
Golf as a game is much harder and much more skilled than virtually all sports. You can go from the very top (Jordan Spieth, David Duval and Bill Rogers) to being only the 100th best or 500th best player in world. Doesn't happen in basketball, for instance if you simply keep yourself in shape. At the highest level, for most people, it requires a good amount of physical fitness. Tiger Woods in recent interview stated that although he can play weekend golf on his bad leg, he can't walk 5 rounds a week and hit 500 to 1000 balls a day. Not even feasible to consider competing now in tournament golf.
All time great athletes like Michael Jordan (reasonably good golfer) and Charles Barkley don't excel at golf.
Golf as a game is much harder and much more skilled than virtually all sports. You can go from the very top (Jordan Spieth, David Duval and Bill Rogers) to being only the 100th best or 500th best player in world. Doesn't happen in basketball, for instance if you simply keep yourself in shape. At the highest level, for most people, it requires a good amount of physical fitness. Tiger Woods in recent interview stated that although he can play weekend golf on his bad leg, he can't walk 5 rounds a week and hit 500 to 1000 balls a day. Not even feasible to consider competing now in tournament golf.
Look, I see your point. Nobody has to win this argument, perfectly valid to consider Golf a game. Like darts, billiards, bowling, its a sport where someone like John daly can thrive. What I will say, is many of the top golfers these days are explosive athletes. Flexible, strong, hitting the ball farther than ever, incredible fast twitch/hand eye. I think it is athletes playing a sport, totally understable if you don't.
Well, I WAS just enjoying the replay.
I know full well that golfers are not the athletes that basketball players are, nor hockey or many football players.
It was pretty cool. The coolest thing would have been if Tom Watson had held on a few years ago at the Open. That was magical
His caddy is to blame.
Should have known adrenaline was pumping and made him go one club less.
It is an incredible GC. I think ten of the 18 holes are along the ocean. And, as such, typically has a prevailing wind that changes from morning to afternoon. And if you roll off the fairway, are typically in heavy sand that is not groomed like a typical bunker. Easily the hardest GC I've ever played. It was designed specifically for the 1991 Ryder Cup, which is probably THE Ryder cup of all time.
Since then it has hosted two PGA championships and a senior PGA championship.
I'm not obese but I'm not in shape either. I've played sports like baseball, basketball, etc all my life. By some people's definition of a "sport" I guess I wasn't really playing a sport? I've heard this stupid assed discussion so many times.
My comment was kind of a joke initially.
But people decided to go full anger mode, so whatever. Now it isn't.
LdN
John Daly is a great athlete who doesn't keep himself in shape. His flexibility and balance are off the charts.
SPORTS, ranked:
1. Football
2. Golf
3. Basketball
4. Baseball
5. Tennis
6. Boxing
7. Hockey
8--rest....who cares?
1. Football
2. Golf
3. Basketball
4. Baseball
5. Tennis
6. Boxing
7. Hockey
8--rest....who cares?
Is Tom Brady the best athlete in the NFL? Because he's the best player ever in football.
It's really comical that people think folks who can run the fastest, jump the highest and bench the most weight are the only athletes when typically the athlete with the best cerebral game is the most dominant in sports.
What would Larry Bird have been with Michael Jordan's physical tool box. Their physical skills were vastly different but their careers and stats were relatively similar. It's not what you have it's how you use it.....And when you are smarter and more savvy than someone more athletic than you, you will typically have the advantage.
Most any professional scout will tell you that work ethic is more important than raw physical traits. In fact they'll tell you to be weary of the freak athletes. Go look at the the 10 fastest 40 times in NFL combine history, you'll know 2 or 3 of the names, the rest flamed out before getting second contract. Being smart, savvy and understanding how to have success in your sport is also an athletic trait. One that eludes evaluators ability to rate an individual, because there are a lot more JaMarcus Russell's, Johnny Manzeil's and Ryan Leaf's than there are Tom Brady and Peyton Mannings. You know why? Because the supreme athletic trait is a great mind. This assumes a certain minimum level of physical traits that avail a professional career. Like Tom Brady level. Skinny, awkward, 5.0 40 time type.
The amount of timing, body control, hand eye coordination, work ethic and mental makeup required to be great at golf is far superior to that of most professional football players. You can make the NFL by just being fast or just being strong but you can't make the PGA Tour by just hitting it long. Being a great golfer requires the same type traits found in great pitchers or great quarterbacks. The former all have a different physical skill set than the grunts who get strong and bang their head off other people, which lets face it, requires minimal athletic ability. It's a lot harder to throw 110 90mph pitches in a 2 foot by 3 foot area than it is to field 6 ground balls at third base and go to bat 4 times in a game.
Twitch level athletics is overrated. It helps get you to the show but it doesn't help you all that much be the show, that athletic trait happens between the ears.
The chubby guys as you say is one of the top ten golfers all time. So there is that. He is the oldest winner ever and that took 100 plus years to do. So if it was that easy, everyone could do it. If you played that old guy and he gave you 30 shots a round over 5 days of golf, on the courses he plays you still wouldn’t come close. Then your friends can laugh at you because you lost to an old chubby guy.
In defense of the poster, I do think other sports require more “athleticism”.
But it sure was fun to watch
What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China?
In other words, what does Phil’s dominance over an (even older) duffer like me have to do with comparing athleticism across sports. Put it this way, there’s no way a 50 year old Mike Trout or Joel Embiid is even a top 10 player - mainly because they’d be long retired.
All that said, I’m done slagging golf. My people invented it and it is fiendishly difficult in its simplicity (get the ball into the hole with a club using the fewest strokes). Plus, I’m now on year 4 of not playing due to family and shoulder issues, so I’m cranky
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Well, football calls the foul on itself so to speak by having “skill positions” thus leading one to the conclusion that the other positions take much less skill.
Plus, you see many football players hit the top level having not started to play until high school because sheer athleticism and/or freakish size dominate the equation - you will (almost) never see that in more skill-based sports like golf, baseball, and soccer.
Re: soccer. I know there’s a lot of he-man soccer haters on here, but one of the main reasons we are mid-tier as a country despite a huge talent pool and a ton of money is the fact that we don’t have armies of poor kids with balls/taped up rags/round toys at their feet from the time they can walk. You need thousands of hours with a ball at your feet to become truly world class - athleticism be damned. (Having a lack of top athletes choose it as their main pastime also hurts). For those who are interested in truly skilled genius check some YouTube videos of retired Brazilian star Ronaldihno - total freak
Love the Ryder Cup, would love to go sometime.
I think chess is better than golf. It takes more effort and is just as athletic. Magnus Carlsen is in much better physical shape than John Daly. Chess players expend much more energy in a championship game than golfers expend in an 18 hole round.
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About on the 16th hole today at the Honda classic, I saw Chris Kirk standing about 6 in above the ball in a sand trap with 190 yd shot over water to the green. He hit it slightly short into a sand trap in front of the green. From there he hit about a 35 yd sandshot 4 ft from the hole.
Roughly stating the issue, the 190 yd shot from the sand trap is more athletic than 75% of NBA dunks. Both shots he hit were far more skilled than most of what professional athletes do on the field.
Roughly stating the issue, the 190 yd shot from the sand trap is more athletic than 75% of NBA dunks. Both shots he hit were far more skilled than most of what professional athletes do on the field.
since we are on Phil, why is there so much outrage on what he said about this new Saudi backed league? Phil basically said the Saudi's have some history of civil rights issues (which they do), they don't treat women well (they don't) and they cold blooded murdered a journalist who exposed the royals (they did). I don't get the outrage, he said nothing but literally the truth?
I don’t get it either. Maybe someone can explain it.
It sounded like he wanted to pressure the tour into paying the players more?
Best I can tell, is that people are angry with him both for working in conjunction with a bad regime and for attacking the tour.
I guess is view is that he is USING a bad regime to pressure the tour to help the players more.
I love Phil, but bad, bad choice.
He put the plight of the poor pga tour pro above basic human rights (specifically women and gays)
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