OT: More JZ - part 1 of a 2 hour interview (audio link)

[mediaexpert]

We have two stories here:

1. The media clamored that Jerry is a monster and Joe a pedophile enabler. The Country is convinced everyone at PSU knew Jerry was a pervert and Joe quenched the stories so not to blemish his football program. My point 3 years ago was a second trial of Jerry, so the world would see that few if any knew Jerry was a pervert, Joe reported it correctly and the incident was reported to Jerry’s employer. No matter the verdict, Joe’s name would be cleared.

2. No question Jerry did not get a fair trial. I question the character of the posters here that are positive Jerry is guilty of anal rape and oral sex and does not deserve a second trial. I think Jerry went beyond boundaries and should have received time in jail, but not 30 years.

After reading the posts here, the one above makes the most sense. PSU Alumni should have demanded a 2nd trial years ago. The argument against is that it would not change the verdict and it would have cost the state $100k or so. However, here we are 3 years later and PSU still has this stain that has cost millions. The results of the trial would clear PSU and Joe in the rest of the country's mind that they were enablers. Unless YOU are positive Joe was guilty and did know and intentionally allowed boys to be molested to protect HIS image.

The second point that Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis don't realize is that the courts are not infallible. How many people have gotten off of death row, because of DNA evidence? Witnesses have proved they make stuff up, especially when money is involved. However lets look at MM. His story changed several times, not because of money or to be in the spotlight. His story changed because detectives convinced him that Jerry was a pervert. It changed again when other kids stepped up saying Jerry was strange. All of the victims stories changed too.

IMO, Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will change their mind ONCE they have a loved one accused of a crime they did not commit. I find it amazing that they spend hours here trying to bury someone when there is doubt. It would be another thing if there was a confession, eye witnesses or some sort of DNA or blood evidence. I realize that no one holds on to soiled underwear, but not one mother said they saw some. What about the witnesses that Matt told on National TV that walked in on Jerry's performance? Matt said they did not realize at the time, but now they would be heroes if they said they did walk in on something.

 

[elvis63]

People that count and need likes....LMAO. #4 rings a bell here. It kind of makes sense why he throws everyone on ignore too.

http://elitedaily.com/life/5-ways-insecure-people-use-social-media/618771/

Likes? He said that in all seriousness? There you go.

 

[elvis63]

After reading the posts here, the one above makes the most sense. PSU Alumni should have demanded a 2nd trial years ago. The argument against is that it would not change the verdict and it would have cost the state $100k or so. However, here we are 3 years later and PSU still has this stain that has cost millions. The results of the trial would clear PSU and Joe in the rest of the country's mind that they were enablers. Unless YOU are positive Joe was guilty and did know and intentionally allowed boys to be molested to protect HIS image.

The second point that Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis don't realize is that the courts are not infallible. How many people have gotten off of death row, because of DNA evidence? Witnesses have proved they make stuff up, especially when money is involved. However lets look at MM. His story changed several times, not because of money or to be in the spotlight. His story changed because detectives convinced him that Jerry was a pervert. It changed again when other kids stepped up saying Jerry was strange. All of the victims stories changed too.

IMO, Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will change their mind ONCE they have a loved one accused of a crime they did not commit. I find it amazing that they spend hours here trying to bury someone when there is doubt. It would be another thing if there was a confession, eye witnesses or some sort of DNA or blood evidence. I realize that no one holds on to soiled underwear, but not one mother said they saw some. What about the witnesses that Matt told on National TV that walked in on Jerry's performance? Matt said they did not realize at the time, but now they would be heroes if they said they did walk in on something.

Our system is not run by the principle of another trial until the weirdos are satisfied .
We fully understand how it works and believe certain folk are crazy .

 

[getmyjive11]

After reading the posts here, the one above makes the most sense. PSU Alumni should have demanded a 2nd trial years ago. The argument against is that it would not change the verdict and it would have cost the state $100k or so. However, here we are 3 years later and PSU still has this stain that has cost millions. The results of the trial would clear PSU and Joe in the rest of the country's mind that they were enablers. Unless YOU are positive Joe was guilty and did know and intentionally allowed boys to be molested to protect HIS image.

The second point that Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis don't realize is that the courts are not infallible. How many people have gotten off of death row, because of DNA evidence? Witnesses have proved they make stuff up, especially when money is involved. However lets look at MM. His story changed several times, not because of money or to be in the spotlight. His story changed because detectives convinced him that Jerry was a pervert. It changed again when other kids stepped up saying Jerry was strange. All of the victims stories changed too.

IMO, Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will change their mind ONCE they have a loved one accused of a crime they did not commit. I find it amazing that they spend hours here trying to bury someone when there is doubt. It would be another thing if there was a confession, eye witnesses or some sort of DNA or blood evidence. I realize that no one holds on to soiled underwear, but not one mother said they saw some. What about the witnesses that Matt told on National TV that walked in on Jerry's performance? Matt said they did not realize at the time, but now they would be heroes if they said they did walk in on something.

It's not about Penn State, it's about Jerry Sandusky. Your first paragraph shows your motive and it has nothing to do with Jerry's guilt or innocence. Jerry is a serial pedophile... get that through your head and move on.

 

[indynittany]

Exactly. There are plenty of men who spend their time helping youth who are less fortunate. Pretty much all of them do it in a group setting, like sports or boy scouts. How many men "treat" multiple boys on a one on one basis to sleepovers, showers and trips?

Not many. And not many found charities to help at risk youth, foster over thirty kids and adopt 5 of them.

 

[francofan]

After reading the posts here, the one above makes the most sense. PSU Alumni should have demanded a 2nd trial years ago. The argument against is that it would not change the verdict and it would have cost the state $100k or so. However, here we are 3 years later and PSU still has this stain that has cost millions. The results of the trial would clear PSU and Joe in the rest of the country's mind that they were enablers. Unless YOU are positive Joe was guilty and did know and intentionally allowed boys to be molested to protect HIS image.

The second point that Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis don't realize is that the courts are not infallible. How many people have gotten off of death row, because of DNA evidence? Witnesses have proved they make stuff up, especially when money is involved. However lets look at MM. His story changed several times, not because of money or to be in the spotlight. His story changed because detectives convinced him that Jerry was a pervert. It changed again when other kids stepped up saying Jerry was strange. All of the victims stories changed too.

IMO, Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will change their mind ONCE they have a loved one accused of a crime they did not commit. I find it amazing that they spend hours here trying to bury someone when there is doubt. It would be another thing if there was a confession, eye witnesses or some sort of DNA or blood evidence. I realize that no one holds on to soiled underwear, but not one mother said they saw some. What about the witnesses that Matt told on National TV that walked in on Jerry's performance? Matt said they did not realize at the time, but now they would be heroes if they said they did walk in on something.

This post is spot on. The courts are not infallible. IMO, the case in a textbook example of what can go wrong in a trial. Once the truth is known, and the truth will eventually be known, I believe the case will be used in law schools for a very long time to teach law students some of the shenaningans that can happen in the real world.

I don't think Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will ever change their minds. They believe they have all the facts they need to make a definitive conclusion and they know everything they need to know. Nothing will ever change what they think.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

This post is spot on. The courts are not infallible. IMO, the case in a textbook example of what can go wrong in a trial. Once the truth is known, and the truth will eventually be known, I believe the case will be used in law schools for a very long time to teach law students some of the shenaningans that can happen in the real world.

I don't think Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will ever change their minds. They believe they have all the facts they need to make a definitive conclusion and they know everything they need to know. Nothing will ever change what they think.

I disagree with you. they don't believe their own BS. they are professional astro-turfers working on behalf of Corbett

 

[LaJolla Lion]

After reading the posts here, the one above makes the most sense. PSU Alumni should have demanded a 2nd trial years ago. The argument against is that it would not change the verdict and it would have cost the state $100k or so. However, here we are 3 years later and PSU still has this stain that has cost millions. The results of the trial would clear PSU and Joe in the rest of the country's mind that they were enablers. Unless YOU are positive Joe was guilty and did know and intentionally allowed boys to be molested to protect HIS image.

The second point that Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis don't realize is that the courts are not infallible. How many people have gotten off of death row, because of DNA evidence? Witnesses have proved they make stuff up, especially when money is involved. However lets look at MM. His story changed several times, not because of money or to be in the spotlight. His story changed because detectives convinced him that Jerry was a pervert. It changed again when other kids stepped up saying Jerry was strange. All of the victims stories changed too.

IMO, Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will change their mind ONCE they have a loved one accused of a crime they did not commit. I find it amazing that they spend hours here trying to bury someone when there is doubt. It would be another thing if there was a confession, eye witnesses or some sort of DNA or blood evidence. I realize that no one holds on to soiled underwear, but not one mother said they saw some. What about the witnesses that Matt told on National TV that walked in on Jerry's performance? Matt said they did not realize at the time, but now they would be heroes if they said they did walk in on something.

He had a trial where he chose his attorney. He has had appeals. He has another one in progress. This again is another this hurt PSU so Jerry gets his own set of rules because PSU was too stupid and paid out the money.

Maybe if some of your children were molested and had to testify to put someone away...you wouldn't be so quick to demand they get back on the stand because alumni of a school are butt hurt the school made bad decisions. Two can play this game and trust me the idiots looking for Jerry's fair trial only care about two things.....PSU and Joe's legacy. 8 GD victims testified to his abuse, but that isn't enough because PSU had poor leadership and it cost the school money. Those victims are not real to you and those like you so you can take your holier than thou call for justice and shove it up your arse.

Jerry needs a new trial because PSU alums want a do over because they elected such poor leaders years ago....yeah...that isn't how it works.

 

[getmyjive11]

Not many. And not many found charities to help at risk youth, foster over thirty kids and adopt 5 of them.

There are likely zero that are not pedophiles.

 

[indynittany]

There are likely zero that are not pedophiles.

Because of people like you, good men will stop trying to help these kids out of fear. Is that what you want?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Because of people like you, good men will stop trying to help these kids out of fear. Is that what you want?

Nope...good try. What will happen is there will be no overnight 1 on 1 sleepovers which is just fine. No more showering with kids and hugging them. You don't care about the kids, this is about PSU to you. You've said it over and over again. You think C/S/S will get cleared somehow if these victims all march up and say Jerry molested them again at some new trial. Their stories aren't going to magically change. The logic is flawed as C/S/S won't be on trial when Jerry is. They didn't go to jail for Jerry's crimes...he did.

 

[kingfarouk13]

He probably cut them out. It's what pervs do.

You would know, pocket pool king.

 

[kingfarouk13]

After reading the posts here, the one above makes the most sense. PSU Alumni should have demanded a 2nd trial years ago. The argument against is that it would not change the verdict and it would have cost the state $100k or so. However, here we are 3 years later and PSU still has this stain that has cost millions. The results of the trial would clear PSU and Joe in the rest of the country's mind that they were enablers. Unless YOU are positive Joe was guilty and did know and intentionally allowed boys to be molested to protect HIS image.

The second point that Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis don't realize is that the courts are not infallible. How many people have gotten off of death row, because of DNA evidence? Witnesses have proved they make stuff up, especially when money is involved. However lets look at MM. His story changed several times, not because of money or to be in the spotlight. His story changed because detectives convinced him that Jerry was a pervert. It changed again when other kids stepped up saying Jerry was strange. All of the victims stories changed too.

IMO, Osprey, La Jolla, Get my jive and Elvis will change their mind ONCE they have a loved one accused of a crime they did not commit. I find it amazing that they spend hours here trying to bury someone when there is doubt. It would be another thing if there was a confession, eye witnesses or some sort of DNA or blood evidence. I realize that no one holds on to soiled underwear, but not one mother said they saw some. What about the witnesses that Matt told on National TV that walked in on Jerry's performance? Matt said they did not realize at the time, but now they would be heroes if they said they did walk in on something.

You named the main trolls here.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You named the main trolls here.

Says the one guy who has gone through 20 handles and another had to be put on timeout for months because he took things way too far. Good call.

 

[indynittany]

Nope...good try. What will happen is there will be no overnight 1 on 1 sleepovers which is just fine. No more showering with kids and hugging them. You don't care about the kids, this is about PSU to you. You've said it over and over again. You think C/S/S will get cleared somehow if these victims all march up and say Jerry molested them again at some new trial. Their stories aren't going to magically change. The logic is flawed as C/S/S won't be on trial when Jerry is. They didn't go to jail for Jerry's crimes...he did.

How many times do I have to say it? I believe the notes and emails from 2001 corroborate the testimonies of Tim and Gary and that they were never told of an incident of sexual abuse. I believe they are innocent regardless of what Jerry may have done.

You say that C/S/S won't go to jail for Jerry's crimes. The problem is they have already been in a living hell for over five years because the OAG didn't want them to be able to testify on Jerry's behalf.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

How many times do I have to say it? I believe the notes and emails from 2001 corroborate the testimonies of Tim and Gary and that they were never told of an incident of sexual abuse. I believe they are innocent regardless of what Jerry may have done.

You say that C/S/S won't go to jail for Jerry's crimes. The problem is they have already been in a living hell for over five years because the OAG didn't want them to be able to testify on Jerry's behalf.

Can you even make a post about Jerry without including Curley or the others? I don't think you can figure out a way to do it. You only care about your friend and if your holding out hope that Jerry gets a new trial and somehow is let go...I feel sorry for you. I do feel sorry for those 3 as they were buried due to poor leadership, but that doesn't mean Jerry gets a new trial. I don't think they hid Jerry from anyone.

The only people calling for a new trial are Jerry and a VERY SMALL handful of PSU folks. You know why, because the victims on the stand buried him. He's done. If he gets a new trial, PSU isn't getting some magical do over. The money which they should have never handed out isn't coming back. In other words...Santa isn't real.

 

[elvis63]

I believe you're wrong and a trial or public release of information will be embarrassing at the least.
This is nowhere near done, FOI will be coming in the future if there is no trial . And it will not help these fellows.

I was talking to indynittany fwiw.

 

[Osprey Lion]

seriously! how do I already have more "likes" than you?

Some people like clowns.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Some people like clowns.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

 

[indynittany]

Can you even make a post about Jerry without including Curley or the others? I don't think you can figure out a way to do it. You only care about your friend and if your holding out hope that Jerry gets a new trial and somehow is let go...I feel sorry for you. I do feel sorry for those 3 as they were buried due to poor leadership, but that doesn't mean Jerry gets a new trial. I don't think they hid Jerry from anyone.

The only people calling for a new trial are Jerry and a VERY SMALL handful of PSU folks. You know why, because the victims on the stand buried him. He's done. If he gets a new trial, PSU isn't getting some magical do over. The money which they should have never handed out isn't coming back. In other words...Santa isn't real.

It's posts like this that lead me to believe you are a paid shill for Corbett.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

It's posts like this that lead me to believe you are a paid shill for Corbett.

that's a BINGO

 

[crm114psu]

It's posts like this that lead me to believe you are a paid shill for Corbett.

Yeah, he's been a member for 15 years lurking around waiting for Corbett to push his go button.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

It's posts like this that lead me to believe you are a paid shill for Corbett.

It's post like that that let me know you have lost your GD mind. I lived in NOLA, CA, and Florida the last 20 years and don't have jack crap to do with Pa's government. That must be the dumbest GD thing you could have posted. Anyone that isn't carrying a free Jerry card which is the VAST MAJORITY BTW somehow is paid off by the former Governor. Yeah...he got a hold of me 20 years ago to go on Tom's site as he had this all planned out. You have lost your marbles....sad that Curley has an idiot like you helping his cause.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Yeah, he's been a member for 15 years lurking around waiting for Corbett to push his go button.

Damn.....the Free Jerry brain trust caught me....I'm sunk now. I was on since Tom's plotit board waiting for this all to occur. How did they figure it out? They just went from a bit crazy to simply stupid.

 

[roswelllion]

Our system is not run by the principle of another trial until the weirdos are satisfied .
We fully understand how it works and believe certain folk are crazy .

which is what much of the public says about ANY convicted criminal AND YET, every day convictions are overturned, new trials bring out other evidence and your "weirdo's " are proven correct.
Every day we seem to hear about someone "who made up a story". The argument that it wasn't just one victim statement is valid, but again with
. same lawyer
. OAG who coaches testimony
. completely contradictory comments prior to lawsuits
it in many ways explains why testimony sounds very similar.

 

[elvis63]

which is what much of the public says about ANY convicted criminal AND YET, every day convictions are overturned, new trials bring out other evidence and your "weirdo's " are proven correct.
Every day we seem to hear about someone "who made up a story". The argument that it wasn't just one victim statement is valid, but again with
. same lawyer
. OAG who coaches testimony
. completely contradictory comments prior to lawsuits
it in many ways explains why testimony sounds very similar.

The exception ain't the rule. People. Confuse those two,
People win powerball every week or so but the odds are still a few hundred million to one against it.

 

[roswelllion]

It's post like that that let me know you have lost your GD mind. I lived in NOLA, CA, and Florida the last 20 years and don't have jack crap to do with Pa's government. That must be the dumbest GD thing you could have posted. Anyone that isn't carrying a free Jerry card which is the VAST MAJORITY BTW somehow is paid off by the former Governor. Yeah...he got a hold of me 20 years ago to go on Tom's site as he had this all planned out. You have lost your marbles....sad that Curley has an idiot like you helping his cause.

am curious why you say in CAPS the vast majority are carrying free Jerry cards. I have read a lot of posts on this subject and I would guess there are between 5-10 people who think JS should be free. I think the "VAST MAJORITY"
. think JS should be in prison
. think JS trial was full of tremendous inconsistencies and or illegalities
. "covered up" for the other villains {TSM and State agencies}
. completely abrogated the rule of law
. highlighted the mob mentality on convictions by the jury [janitor in particular

So a new trial would
. cost money [not even relevant]
. require victims to testify again - definitely an unfortunate downside, but not uncommon
. likely shed light on TSM and State agencies
. still end up wit JS in jail [although vic 2 and janitor likely no convictions
. help to clear the names of C/S/S and JVP

what is the horrible downside here?

 

[elvis63]

am curious why you say in CAPS the vast majority are carrying free Jerry cards. I have read a lot of posts on this subject and I would guess there are between 5-10 people who think JS should be free. I think the "VAST MAJORITY"
. think JS should be in prison
. think JS trial was full of tremendous inconsistencies and or illegalities
. "covered up" for the other villains {TSM and State agencies}
. completely abrogated the rule of law
. highlighted the mob mentality on convictions by the jury [janitor in particular

So a new trial would
. cost money [not even relevant]
. require victims to testify again - definitely an unfortunate downside, but not uncommon
. likely shed light on TSM and State agencies
. still end up wit JS in jail [although vic 2 and janitor likely no convictions
. help to clear the names of C/S/S and JVP

what is the horrible downside here?

Because you don't grant new trials to make the butthurt feelings of penn state fans go away.

All your points are silly. The state would bring more victims , it will cost a lot of money , IT WON'T CLEAR ANY PSU ADMINISTRATORS which has no relevance and is no reason to grant a new trial.

And the purpose of a new trial would not be some fishing expedition on TSM. Things don't work that way.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

am curious why you say in CAPS the vast majority are carrying free Jerry cards. I have read a lot of posts on this subject and I would guess there are between 5-10 people who think JS should be free. I think the "VAST MAJORITY"
. think JS should be in prison
. think JS trial was full of tremendous inconsistencies and or illegalities
. "covered up" for the other villains {TSM and State agencies}
. completely abrogated the rule of law
. highlighted the mob mentality on convictions by the jury [janitor in particular

So a new trial would
. cost money [not even relevant]
. require victims to testify again - definitely an unfortunate downside, but not uncommon
. likely shed light on TSM and State agencies
. still end up wit JS in jail [although vic 2 and janitor likely no convictions
. help to clear the names of C/S/S and JVP

what is the horrible downside here?

First of all I said "Anyone that isn't carrying a free Jerry card which is the VAST MAJORITY" meaning most people are not carrying that card.

Why don't we do this for every case or is just the ones that impacted you? Oh wait...that already happens today in our judicial system via the appeal process. I'm all for going after TSM or anyone else who did something wrong. You somehow make this leap that Jerry getting a new trial means TSM is getting investigated or others will. The overall lack of legal logic here is pretty profound to be honest. Let's say Jerry gets his new trial. Where or how do you see PSU getting a free pass or the money back? You think the victims are going to say it never happened...gotcha Jerry...funny one, right?

I'm all for a new trial if real evidence presents itself showing Jerry is innocent. That has not occurred, but some basic talking points here about the OAG get rehashed weekly like someone discovered fire. Nothing has changed and no new real evidence showing Jerry is innocent has come up. You're not a victim so why do you care if they get inconvenienced. Hell you have doubts that they are even victims. Why don't you ask Nate Bauer who sat through the entire trial if he feels the victims were real or not? Let me guess, he's a Corbett shill too or whatever crap people here are trying to run with now.

Careful now as Tommy Corbett and I are watching. You'll call me out for saying Jerry is guilty but don't say boo to the utter BS being thrown about by others. Quit watching porn and pay attention to your taxes...Tommy and I are watching. (I hope you know I'm kidding as the other idiots have lost it)

 

[bplionfan]

How many times do I have to say it? I believe the notes and emails from 2001 corroborate the testimonies of Tim and Gary and that they were never told of an incident of sexual abuse. I believe they are innocent regardless of what Jerry may have done.

You say that C/S/S won't go to jail for Jerry's crimes. The problem is they have already been in a living hell for over five years because the OAG didn't want them to be able to testify on Jerry's behalf.

And Johns testimony goes to show that Mike did not see anything other than JS in a locker room shower and a kid also in the same locker room shower. So its highly highly unlikely Mike would tell Tim and Gary he saw sexual abuse when moments after he told his dad he did not see sexual abuse.

Moments after the 2001 incident Mike McQueary called home and told his father Twice he saw nothing more than Jerry Sandusky in a shower with a boy and did not witness anything sexual.

John McQueary in his testimony began by recounting the phone call he received from his son moments after witnessing Sandusky and a child in the Lasch building shower room in 2001. His wife answered the phone and immediately handed him the phone, saying “It’s Mike. There’s something wrong.”
“I just saw something, I saw Coach Sandusky in the shower with a young boy,” John recalled his son saying.
“I asked him if he had seen anal sex and I got more descriptive. ‘Did you see anything you could verify’ — penetration or maybe I used the word sodomy,” he said. According to his father, Mike McQueary responded, “No, I didn’t actually see that” John McQueary says he asked again, “So you didn’t witness penetration or anything else you can verify?” His son again said no.

 

[elvis63]

Lack of penetration does not mean there was no sexual abuse.

 

[nits74]

He had a trial where he chose his attorney. He has had appeals. He has another one in progress. This again is another this hurt PSU so Jerry gets his own set of rules because PSU was too stupid and paid out the money.

Maybe if some of your children were molested and had to testify to put someone away...you wouldn't be so quick to demand they get back on the stand because alumni of a school are butt hurt the school made bad decisions. Two can play this game and trust me the idiots looking for Jerry's fair trial only care about two things.....PSU and Joe's legacy. 8 GD victims testified to his abuse, but that isn't enough because PSU had poor leadership and it cost the school money. Those victims are not real to you and those like you so you can take your holier than thou call for justice and shove it up your arse.

Jerry needs a new trial because PSU alums want a do over because they elected such poor leaders years ago....yeah...that isn't how it works.

Even if everything else you say may well be true, this is not. Penn State alums never elected the majority of these "leaders". The power bloc was largely appointed by the government you so ardently defend when it is convenient to support your belief.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Even if everything else you say may well be true, this is not. Penn State alums never elected the majority of these "leaders". The power bloc was largely appointed by the government you so ardently defend when it is convenient to support your belief.

True...many were appointed. Glad you got that out there as that is a huge part of this thread. I don't know how I forgot since it was Tommy and I that did that....man was that fun!!!!

 

[roswelllion]

The exception ain't the rule. People. Confuse those two,
People win powerball every week or so but the odds are still a few hundred million to one against it.

certainly the exception not the rule, but still no reason not to allow it. It seems you guys are afraid a new trial might free Jerry? Really?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

certainly the exception not the rule, but still no reason not to allow it. It seems you guys are afraid a new trial might free Jerry? Really?

Where do you come up with this fear line? It's a cute angle to try and take, but it's a joke. Why are you so afraid to admit that he molests children? Are you afraid it reflects poorly on you? Anyone can play those "afraid" cards...think,,,try harder.

 

[elvis63]

Because you think an idea is stupid does not mean you are afraid of it.
There are specific reasons to allow a new trial . And they don't exist here.
You're lack of understanding this does not mean Jerry gets another chance .

 

[elvis63]

Where do you come up with this fear line? It's a cute angle to try and take, but it's a joke. Why are you so afraid to admit that he molests children? Are you afraid it reflects poorly on you? Anyone can play those "afraid" cards...think,,,try harder.

It's virtue signaling and kafkatrapping. Attempting to gain some moral high ground while simultaneously accusing you of something you are not doing.

 

[crm114psu]

Where do you come up with this fear line? It's a cute angle to try and take, but it's a joke. Why are you so afraid to admit that he molests children? Are you afraid it reflects poorly on you? Anyone can play those "afraid" cards...think,,,try harder.

If you aren't afraid then you must be a "relentless hater".

 

[LaJolla Lion]

It's virtue signaling and kafkatrapping. Attempting to gain some moral high ground while simultaneously accusing you of something you are not doing.

It's a weak deflection. Let's just say this, how many of these guys would be signing up today to have Jerry watch their kids alone? I just wish these guys had to have Jerry watch their kids or grandkids for 2 days...my oh my would that tune change in a hurry. This is about PSU to a few here...nothing more than that. They want the hail mary thrown and that is why you see...what will it hurt to have a new trial. Screw the people Jerry molested...I need my feelings and opinions validated first. It's pretty damn selfish IMO, but it's become so accepted here that there is no line anymore...just a bunch of gray. It's scary to be honest.