Only three infants? That's not enough. How dressers did they sell?
hmmm I sense some critical thinking going on around us . . . let's ask them . . .
OT: Someone brought up the big lie . . .
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hmmm I sense some critical thinking going on around us . . . let's ask them . . .
This thing about getting burned by hot coffee is ridiculous. It deflects from much more serious issues like burning the roof of your mouth on a hot apple pie. Of getting a brain freeze from a frappuccino.
Over 4000 injuries per year caused by scissors in the US alone. Many very serious including blindness, permanent injury, and death.
I guess the all knowing OP would like to ban scissors. Or would it be ok if we had to be licensed and registered to have scissors.
Maybe scissors should be something reserved for just specialized government personell?
Aren't scissors far more dangerous than hot coffee & dressers? Why don't you try solving the big problems first & then we'll get to the small ones later. Thanks.
Let's see if anyone makes a SERIOUS reply to this post. Somehow I doubt it. I'm guessing something along the lines of the cigarette industry....
You cite this case often, and I agree that it was misinterpreted - though not to the extent you seem to believe. What you continue to ignore is that it (right or wrong) was indeed a landmark symbol of what was to come in our litigious society.
I don't think it was misinterpreted, there are some flat out lies in the public consciousness
I agree that society has become over litigious. the real question is how to push honest reforms without pushing a false narrative.
You're correct. They had previous incidents and they were warned about the temperature of the coffee. It was heated to app 190 degrees well over the standard temperature which was app 140.
They refused to lower the temperature and the lady's Atty had all that information.
That's just being obtuse. For any product, people rely upon the fact it'll be safe. By their very design scissors can be dangerous if they are used recklessly. If someone twirls a pair of scissors around their finger then they fly off and take someone's eye out, it's not the fault of the manufacturer.
As for the coffee, McDonald's admitted it wasn't safe to consume at the serving temperature. Then they claimed is was served that hot because customers liked it that way even if the customers couldn't drink it? That's a dumb argument which the jury didn't buy.
Your faulty logic doesn't refute to point of the OP which is the difficulty in overcoming the belief in the big lie.
Then why do they & Starbucks & every otger chain serve coffee to go at the same temperature today as they did then?
Dressers are dangerous by nature for unsupervised toddlers. So are scissors, coffee, and a bunch of other things. Society recognizes that it's unsupervised toddlers who are actually the danger.
Ikea settled to avoid discovery and to avoid an emotional lawsuit. The settlement is released over the holidays & will be forgotton tomorrow. They are just moving on.
Funny, facts that get in the way of your narrative, aren't they?
So your point is that even if everyone STILL serves coffee at that temperature, there is no valid reason UNLESS I try to drink it while it is at that temperature?
To which I say: Are you a moron, or just intellectually dishonest?
It must be one or the other. No person is incapable of thinking through the reason why coffee is still served at that temperature. No one. Not even a liberal.
Everyone knows that it must be that everyone blows on the coffee at first, taking small sips, and then, while the coffee cools slowly, they take larger gulps. That's how it is. No one wants the last sips to be room temperature.
If you serve it colder, customers complain.
There are no further opinions necessary. I'm right, you know it, now just STFU.
Nothing to laugh about. Just STFU - you're a dishonest weasel, and we both know it.
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Not sure if mentioned but IIRC from studying this case at Penn State for one of the 'cap' business classes,...
1. McDonald's brewed their coffee at scalding hot temperatures because doing so released the coffee's full aroma which was thought to entice customers to buy more.
2. The woman was wearing cotton sweatpants which absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin causing third degree burns for about 6% of her body.
3. The woman was the passenger, not the driver, and the car was not moving when she tried to open the lid to add cream/sugar.
1. McDonald's brewed their coffee at scalding hot temperatures because doing so released the coffee's full aroma which was thought to entice customers to buy more.
2. The woman was wearing cotton sweatpants which absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin causing third degree burns for about 6% of her body.
3. The woman was the passenger, not the driver, and the car was not moving when she tried to open the lid to add cream/sugar.
Not only does McDonalds think so, it appears that everyone else does too. Which is why temperatures are unchanged even today.
Since Liebeck, McDonald's has not reduced the service temperature of its coffee. McDonald's policy today is to serve coffee at 80–90 °C (176–194 °F),[33] relying on more sternly worded warnings on cups made of rigid foam to avoid future liability, though it continues to face lawsuits over hot coffee.[33][34] The Specialty Coffee Association of America supports improved packaging methods rather than lowering the temperature at which coffee is served. The association has successfully aided the defense of subsequent coffee burn cases.[35] Similarly, as of 2004, Starbucks sells coffee at 175–185 °F (79–85 °C), and the executive director of the Specialty Coffee Association of America reported that the standard serving temperature is 160–185 °F (71–85 °C).
Going in a different direction here...
IMO, the "big lie" I see most often is that businesses are so focused on making money and being greedy, that they actively conspire to kill or seriously injure their customers.
That can be easily extrapolated into something like... a college football program can be so focused on winning and its fanbase can be so focused on football that a (retired) coach could molest young boys in front of the head coach, other assistants, other players, adn nobody would do anything about it because rah football!
IMO, the "big lie" I see most often is that businesses are so focused on making money and being greedy, that they actively conspire to kill or seriously injure their customers.
That can be easily extrapolated into something like... a college football program can be so focused on winning and its fanbase can be so focused on football that a (retired) coach could molest young boys in front of the head coach, other assistants, other players, adn nobody would do anything about it because rah football!
