OT; The Kennedy assasination files released today. What will they disclose?

[Chickenman Testa]

Watch Jennings documentary, please. And I have shot hundreds of animals as well.

I guess it discusses the fact that Connally was turned in his seat and made the bullet flight path much more explainable. All the conspiracists make a mistake and claim everyone was sitting facing straight ahead - lending credence to a bizarre turn by the bullet

 

[bkmtnittany1]

I guess it discusses the fact that Connally was turned in his seat and made the bullet flight path much more explainable. All the conspiracists make a mistake and claim everyone was sitting facing straight ahead - lending credence to a bizarre turn by the bullet

And either he or Kennedy was in a 'jump seat'....there are tons of things gone over in the documentary that refute many things..please..watch it...and pay attention to what Oswald's brother says...

 

[mdking001]

Heard there is a pressure with this author and that they will confirm that this book is the blueprint and is exactly how it all happened!

 

[NC2017]

Any surprises? Any final proof of what really happened? Who will be hurt/embarrassed the most?
Or will it be a big nothing burger?

What say you?

Two shooters; Lee Harvey Oswald and Senator Cruz's father.

 

[Judge Smails]

Like I said...I believe the documentary I watched a thousand times. I believe what I read in Posner's book. You got any answers to those questions you asked? Like I said..watch the documentary then get back to me. All you have are questions...Jennnings documentary gives answers.

Haha. Ok. You can't respond to any of my questions, just trust these other guys.

 

[bkmtnittany1]

Haha. Ok. You can't respond to any of my questions, just trust these other guys.

Yup...Peter Jennings was as reputable as they come. You have nothing.

 

[Ct. Lion]

My guess is that Oswald acted alone but the CIA and the FBI have so much dirty laundry that is embarrassing to them they did not want these files and records released to the public.

 

[LionJim]

My guess is that Oswald acted alone but the CIA and the FBI have so much dirty laundry that is embarrassing to them they did not want these files and records released to the public.

Pretty much my own thoughts. The fact that they're releasing this stuff indicates that there's nothing there to indicate that Oswald didn't act alone.

 

[Sproul]

Pretty much my own thoughts. The fact that they're releasing this stuff indicates that there's nothing there to indicate that Oswald didn't act alone.

This stuff was scheduled to be released on this date like 50 years ago. Drumpf just isn't blocking the release. He really has nothing to do with this. I imagine no bombshells in here, unlike the pee-pee dossier.

 

[bkmtnittany1]

At the end of Beyond Conspiracy and guy makes a statement to the effect that the american public doesn't want to believe that one guy could kill the president. That if it is to happen it must involve some great planning by multiple people. Just like the public can't believe that one guy could fool so many people in State College....that others had to know and they had to cover it up. So yes..i do believe Jenning's documentary...and yes I do believe Jim Clemente's report.

 

[We Are . . .]

Eric Barron will review the documents and reveal his findings as soon as he finishes his review of the Freeh report.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....Ohio State....

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Ok. So I knew I was pushing the limits here and that the Kennedy assassination pales in comparison to Ohio State week. But I had to do it.

 

[Op2]

At the end of Beyond Conspiracy and guy makes a statement to the effect that the american public doesn't want to believe that one guy could kill the president. That if it is to happen it must involve some great planning by multiple people. Just like the public can't believe that one guy could fool so many people in State College....that others had to know and they had to cover it up. So yes..i do believe Jenning's documentary...and yes I do believe Jim Clemente's report.

It's similar to Princess Diana. People loved her so much that it was hard for them to believe that she was subject to the same mundane forces as all of us...speeding, drunk driving, not wearing a seatbelt.

 

[jrd23psu]

If I had to guess there will be nothing Earth shattering in it. It's likely going to be nothing but information that confirms Oswald acted alone and killed JFK.

At this point if there was anything in it that proved something else, or that anything nefarious was going on within our government it would have been taken out of what they are releasing.

People are getting excited, and I get that, but this is likely going to amount to jack squat.

 

[Judge Smails]

https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/10/17/kennedy-assassination-evidence-seen-jfks-doctor-suppressed/


JFK’s doctor — Rear Admiral George G. Burkley, who was present in the trauma room in Dallas, and also at Kennedy’s autopsy — never got a chance to talk about the events of that day.

Below is proof that Burkley wanted to testify, and that what he had to say was suppressed at several levels. What survives is a memo concerning Burkley’s belief that other people participated in Kennedy’s assassination. Whether this opinion is based on the discovery of the bullet described in our earlier story, or something else, we will never know.

Although Kennedy was shot in the back, indicating the presence of a shooter behind him, there was also a suggestion of a shooter in front, according to some of the doctors at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, including the chief of Neurosurgery: Because of the condition of the skull and brain, he had the impression JFK was struck from the front or from the side, as opposed to the official conclusion of all shots from behind. Did Burkley have the same impression?

1964
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The year of the Warren Commission hearings. Thousands of people were called to testify, but Burkley was not.

1976
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In 1976, the US House of Representatives established the Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) to investigate the murders of Kennedy and Martin Luther King. Burkley tried to reach out to them through his lawyer, William Illig, as reflected in a March 18,1977 Memo to the File, written by Richard A. Sprague, chief counsel to the HSCA. Here is a key excerpt from that memo:

Dr. Burkley advised him [Sprague] that although he, Burkley, had signed the death certificate of President Kennedy in Dallas, he had never been interviewed and that he has information in the Kennedy assassination indicating that others besides Oswald must have participated.

It seems that nothing ever came of this.

 

[psu00]

Two shooters; Lee Harvey Oswald and Senator Cruz's father.

Oh come on. Everyone knows it was either the Illuminati or Bilderberg group acting with the help of the mafia to build a 'new world order'. That's like the answer to 95% of the world's mysteries.

Then again, we still have that 5% that can't be ruled out. That's usually aliens. Never rule out aliens.

Seriously, my guess is that any documents released today will be heavily redacted and there will be no significant new information.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Have you ever seen a bullet that has passed through bone? Even full metal jacket rounds flatten, and this bullet passed through Kennedy's skull twice and then through the governor's wrist... no way that is could possibly have remained intact... impossible.

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The 'magic bullet' did not pass through Kennedy's skull but through his neck, hitting no bones. Myth Busters used ballistic jell with a couple bones, the same style rifle, shot from a crane at the same altitude. They found the bullet on the ground near the last jell block and very similar damage to it.

 

[BobPSU92]

Joe knew???

In 1942.

 

[Judge Smails]

I guess it discusses the fact that Connally was turned in his seat and made the bullet flight path much more explainable. All the conspiracists make a mistake and claim everyone was sitting facing straight ahead - lending credence to a bizarre turn by the bullet

Here is "the magic bullet"

Bullets don't look like that after they go through multiple people, shatter bones, etc.

How does a bullet fired from 60 feet in the air strike JFK 6" below his collar

and exit out of his throat?

 

[Judge Smails]

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The 'magic bullet' did not pass through Kennedy's skull but through his neck, hitting no bones. Myth Busters used ballistic jell with a couple bones, the same style rifle, shot from a crane at the same altitude. They found the bullet on the ground near the last jell block and very similar damage to it.

Gov Connally's wrist and rib were shattered from the bullet.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Here is "the magic bullet"

Bullets don't look like that after they go through multiple people, shatter bones, etc.

How does a bullet fired from 60 feet in the air strike JFK 6" below his collar

and exit out of his throat?

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How could that be an autopsy pic of Kennedy when half his frontal lobe was blown off? And that opening looks more like an emergency trach opening as it is sliced horizontally instead of torn and is pretty long for a bullet. Edit; a proper trach is done vertically to reduce chance of hitting nerves and blood vessels. This may have been done by untrained people in a panic.

And my post stating the bullet hit no bones... I meant as it traveled through Kennedy it hit no bones as the post I was responding to said it passed through K's skull twice.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The fact that they're releasing this stuff indicates that there's nothing there to indicate that Oswald didn't act alone.

The JFK Records Act was passed by Congress in 1992, and signed into law by Pres. Bush. It mandated that the government release the remaining files it had on the Kennedy assassination/investigation. The Act gave the US government 25 years to release the files. Oct. 26, 2017 is the 25th anniversary of the signing of the bill, and as such it's the end of the 25-year deadline.

Grand jury and tax documents that may be part of the investigation are not covered by the Act.

 

[lj4heisman1]

Like I said...I believe the documentary I watched a thousand times. I believe what I read in Posner's book. You got any answers to those questions you asked? Like I said..watch the documentary then get back to me. All you have are questions...Jennnings documentary gives answers.

You watched it how many times?

 

[berklion]

First this

Then the bullet entered and exited the back of the head.
That's one tough nut to crack.

 

[mOOse_44]

In Frank Sheeran's book he claims it was the mob. The revolution in Cuba was the final straw. The mob lost their cash cow casino's. They saw this as one last stab in the back by Jack and Bobbie, after the mob delivered the election for JFK. The mob knew to use a wacko gunman like Oswold. And then, Jack Ruby was a known hitman for the New Orleans syndicate. It all comes together nicely.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Slightly off topic but there is a triology of books by Gregg Isles, it starts with Natchez Burning, that does a really interesting spin on the JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations.
Its one of those historical fact mixed with a lot of fiction type books.
Pretty good read.

could always go "Watchmen" and say The Comedian killed him . . .

 

[Metal Mike]

I have Posner's book and in the book he makes reference to Larry Sturnaman. I got to know Larry when we both worked at Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Larry worked at the U.S Army Ballistics Research Lab in the 60's and did the ballistic forensics on the Kennedy shooting. Larry points out facts that he established and these are used in the Posner book. Two bullets hit Kennedy both came from the rifle found in the School Book Depository. The rifle had Oswald's palm print. Those two bullets and the bullets from General Walker's house came from the same lot. Forgotten is that Oswald killed Dallas Police Office Tibbett with a .38 cal pistol. Larry stated the bullet that killed Tibbett came from the .38 pistol that was in Oswald's hand when he was captured in a movie theater. Larry stated that the case of Oswald killing Tibbett was ironclad as there were witness in addition to the ballistics. Larry told me other people could have shot at Kennedy but only the two bullets from the rifle with Oswald's palm print hit Kennedy.

 

[marshall23]

Gov Connally's wrist and rib were shattered from the bullet.

and more metal fragments removed than were missing from the magic bullet

 

[Judge Smails]

 

[kijanacat]

Like I said...I believe the documentary I watched a thousand times. I believe what I read in Posner's book. You got any answers to those questions you asked? Like I said..watch the documentary then get back to me. All you have are questions...Jennnings documentary gives answers.

The assassination has been blamed on LBJ, the CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, the Cubans, the Russians, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Jews, Israelis, Southern anti-catholics, the Deep State, Aristotle Onassis and any and all combinations of the above. The "back and to the left" argument is sophistry. You must know the angle of the camera to get full perspective. We will never know for sure but Oswald as the lone assassin is the best conclusion based on the evidence available. Maybe it was really the evil Panther

 

[psu00]

Saw a report today that that a British newspaper in Cambridge received an anonymous phone call 25 minutes before the JFK assassination that told them to call the USA embassy "for some big news". If that wasn't Oswald then the lone gunman story falls apart.

 

[L.A.Lion]

The documents will reveal Dave Witvoet was on the grassy knoll that day.

 

[L.T. Young]

At the end of Beyond Conspiracy and guy makes a statement to the effect that the american public doesn't want to believe that one guy could kill the president. That if it is to happen it must involve some great planning by multiple people. Just like the public can't believe that one guy could fool so many people in State College....that others had to know and they had to cover it up. So yes..i do believe Jenning's documentary...and yes I do believe Jim Clemente's report.

I agree with this logic for the most part. My only question is Oswald’s background.

Seems like a stretch to believe the lone gunman had ties to the IC, defected with Intel, and then was welcomed back without help.

 

[marshall23]

PSU was idle that weekend. JVP was likely on the grassy knoll. Ask the OGBOT.

 

[84Lion]

Anyone who has read Jim Marrs' Crossfire and this book:

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and still believes the Warren Commission report is either insufferably closed-minded or has severe reading comprehension problems.

 

[PSU87]

Anyone who has read Jim Marrs' Crossfire and this book:

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and still believes the Warren Commission report is either insufferably closed-minded or has severe reading comprehension problems.

Oh bullshite. I've read Marrs. Have you read Posner?
The conspiracy theorists throw a lot of crap against the wall. They also rely a lot on testimony that has either changed drastically over the years, or magically appeared years after the fact.

 

[ftlpsu]

And what about the Doctor in Bethesda Naval who was found dead with a bullet to the temple---he was left handed I recall but the wound seemed like it was done with his right hand? I forgot the details..sorry on a conference call

 

[CF LION]

Yup...Peter Jennings was as reputable as they come. You have nothing.

Really? I used to like Jennings until he called me an angry two year old in 1994. The guy was a shill. He just hid that better than most.....

"Some thoughts on those angry voters. Ask parents of any two-year-old and they can tell you about those temper tantrums: the stomping feet, the rolling eyes, the screaming. It's clear that the anger controls the child and not the other way around. It's the job of the parent to teach the child to control the anger and channel it in a positive way. Imagine a nation full of uncontrolled two-year-old rage. The voters had a temper tantrum last week....Parenting and governing don't have to be dirty words: the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old."

 

[Legion of Lions]

Oswald's rifle was a 6.5 mm or a .264. Considering that there is no significantly smaller calibers [.22 the smallest], I doubt you could tell a difference in the entry wound. I don't know about "exploding internally", or a "mushroom bullet", but I assume you are talking about a soft point rather than a full jacketed bullet. The pristine bullet that was recovered was almost certainly a full jacketed round, probably military surplus.

Photos taken at autopsy indicate that the kill shot to the head of Kennedy was from a .223 cal US government issued rifle.

Don't argue with me - after all this time - I can only reasonably question the "one gun" aspect of this.

What I am saying is that wound entry specifics is NOT the same as the Oswald .264 cal shell.

Any ideas on how this could have happened if "one gun" was used and only one shooter was involved????

 

[LafayetteBear]

Where's that picture of the monkey masturbating?