Sure..connect away and vote accordingly. If you've got the proof, try for a conviction.
OT: The plague of fake news is getting worse -- here's how to protect yourself
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Sure..connect away and vote accordingly. If you've got the proof, try for a conviction.
Proof? Since when did that matter. Innuendo is what counts these days. Say it enough and it's true. The bigger the lie the better. Austrian guy used that method in the 1930s. He was quite successful, until he wasn't.
Obli, have you ever read It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis (Dodsworth, Main Street, Babbit, Elmer Gantry, first American to win the Nobel Prize for literature)? I read it way back in my college years. In 2008 I was reading quotes and statements by certain pols that made me think of It Can't Happen Here, so I read it again. Give it a go.
Hillary has not denied (most) of what she did with the emails. Any sane person that has worked for a company of any size knows the status of emails and who owns them. This doesn't take into account that she seems to think she can delete emails without oversight and suggest these are OK because, by her determination, they were simply "personal". But more concerning, WHY did she think that was OK? its insulting. its not OK. And she knew it was not OK. (and at least some of her senior staff knew too). So that isn't "the press", it is her own admission.
And don't get me started on Trump. The guy is a loon and a lose cannon. Every time I look at him I think of Sting's song "If I ever lose my faith in you" where he states "people say I've lost belief in politicians, they all seem like game show hosts to me". That was released in 1993. Well, 23 years later, and that is exactly what we have.
So here we are, our choice for president is Lloyd and Harry.
How does that have anything to do with what I posted?
I agree with you. The hacking of emails seems like burglary. However, Wikileaks and a corrupt media/political marriage are not mutually exclusive.
The press embraced stolen emails before. Remember when the NYTs and the Washington Post actually enlisted people to go through that Idiot Sarah Palin's email when she was hacked in 2011?
“That's a lot of email for us to review so we're looking for some help from Fix readers to analyze, contextualize, and research those emails right alongside Post reporters over the days following the release,” writes WaPo’s Ryan Kellett.”We are limiting this to just 100 spots for people who will work collaboratively in small teams to surface the most important information from the emails.”
Soon after the emails are released Friday morning, MSNBC.com, in conjunction with Mother Jones and Pro Publica, plans to scan them and create an electronic archive. The emails to be released include correspondent that went between the Yahoo account of Palin and her husband and about 50 state officials. When one side of it passed through state mail computers, MSNBC.com writes, it became public record.
Update: The New York Times has posted a similar request on its "The Caucus" blog.
"We’re asking readers to help us identify interesting and newsworthy e-mails, people and events that we may want to highlight. Interested users can fill out a simple form to describe the nature of the e-mail, and provide a name and e-mail address so we’ll know who should get the credit," Derek Willis wrote.
With all due respect, and to the point of the original poster about the media, the press is as corrupt as anything we've seen out there. I mean, we are talking mafia and prohibition era organized crime.Soon after the emails are released Friday morning, MSNBC.com, in conjunction with Mother Jones and Pro Publica, plans to scan them and create an electronic archive. The emails to be released include correspondent that went between the Yahoo account of Palin and her husband and about 50 state officials. When one side of it passed through state mail computers, MSNBC.com writes, it became public record.
Update: The New York Times has posted a similar request on its "The Caucus" blog.
"We’re asking readers to help us identify interesting and newsworthy e-mails, people and events that we may want to highlight. Interested users can fill out a simple form to describe the nature of the e-mail, and provide a name and e-mail address so we’ll know who should get the credit," Derek Willis wrote.
In the case of PSU, the original copies of the e-mails are in Penn State's possession, and they were the party who hired Freeh, and the people who sent or received the e-mails have been prevented from speaking about them. The environment is ripe for doctoring e-mails.
In the latest cases, there is nothing preventing Podesta, Brazile, or anyone else from saying "here are my original e-mails, which prove that what WikiLeaks released was altered." C/S/S had no control over their e-mails on the Penn State server, and even the files Schultz had were turned over the OAG where they could be destroyed, altered, whatever to fit the narrative they wanted to push.
Independently? These events allegedly happened over a decade of more, yet all ten or more of them just decided to go public with them on the same day in October 2016? Is that like how accusations that two "victims" from 5 years apart, decades ago, decided to tell the media in the same week that they told Joe Paterno that Jerry Sandusky molested them and Paterno specifically said he didn't care? Or how the names of assistant coaches who were aware of Sandusky's behavior all became known around the same time?
Do you think people at NBC were randomly looking at old tapes when they found the one with Trump and Billy Bush? Or maybe they knew about it for years, but decided only now they needed to release it? Why didn't they release it during the primary? Why didn't they release it when Trump starred in one of their highest rated shows?
Do you think you'd hear about a Venezuelan beauty pageant contestant being called fat by Donald Trump in 1997 if Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio were the Republican candidate? Do you think you'd hear about allegations of underage rape? BTW, if they really want to push this crap, Trump worked for NBC-- therefore they were the ones who allowed an unsafe workplace environment, and the ones who should be held legally liable.
BTW, I'll say you the time and effort and tell you I've been NeverTrump for a year, so your whining about him won't hurt my feelings. In fact, it only proves how corrupt the press really is. They knew all these things about him, but didn't say anything during the primaries that would hurt his chances of winning the nomination, so that Hillary could run against the worst possible candidate-- who they had all this dirt on they would release-- after the Convention. Timing is everything, isn't it?
Isn't that what they call opposition research, to be used when most effective. As far as the women's claims, I believe most of them. What have these women gained? Nothing except a few moments on TV. If all this was known ahead of time and used strategically by the HRC people, good for them, I suppose.
I don't whine about Trump as you suggested. That's a mischaracterization. I've loathed him for decades. Several years ago I was invited to play golf at one of his courses and when I declined then asked why, told the friend that I hated Trump and no thank you. Now the SOB is on TV constantly spewing his BS. So, this needs to be over for me.
This is my last comment about any election crap.
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So here we are, our choice for president is Lloyd and Harry.
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This is the point. The country is a circus right now. The greatest country on earth is going to be run by either a narcissistic, lunatic oligarch or a criminal who is part of the elite beuracracy with highly tuned skills for public sector opportunism and phony philanthropy. Thats our choices folks, good luck with that; both are .00000001 percenters and don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. How did we get here? Since there is no one else to blame, I put it squarely at the feet of the press.
It doesn't matter anyway, most people are just gonna hold their noses and vote their one issue regardless.
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This is the point. The country is a circus right now. The greatest country on earth is going to be run by either a narcissistic, lunatic oligarch or a criminal who is part of the elite beuracracy with highly tuned skills for public sector opportunism and phony philanthropy. Thats our choices folks, good luck with that; both are .00000001 percenters and don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. How did we get here? Since there is no one else to blame, I put it squarely at the feet of the press.
It doesn't matter anyway, most people are just gonna hold their noses and vote their one issue regardless.
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This^^^^So here we are, our choice for president is Lloyd and Harry.
This is the point. The country is a circus right now. The greatest country on earth is going to be run by either a narcissistic, lunatic oligarch or a criminal who is part of the elite beuracracy with highly tuned skills for public sector opportunism and phony philanthropy. Thats our choices folks, good luck with that; both are .00000001 percenters and don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. How did we get here? Since there is no one else to blame, I put it squarely at the feet of the press.
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I could agree- but the press didn't vote in the primaries. There were were better candidates running on both sides early on (and no I'm not talking about Bernie or Ted Cruz)- and the best ones were the first ones eliminated by lack of voter support.
We have met the enemy, and it is us.
all of this boils down to the fact that the entire political system and the entire mainstream media are corrupt to the core. The only thing that motivates them is money and power. It's the entire system not Democrats or Republicans, it is all driven by sensationalism and they all desire to drive a wedge between the American Public so that they can stay in power....and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker....as witnessed in this thread.
Look who woke up and thinks he discovered the wheel. It's always been about money and power but, I'd rather deal with circus like elections than armed conflict when choosing a new president.
This is conjecture on my part, but the odds of the recent information coming out on Trump not being available to the press months before the primaries, seems pretty remote, especially the NBC stuff. It at least feels like an orchestrated calendar of releases designed to allow Trump to get through the primary and destroy him in the general election (mentioned by another poster); but they never considered what would happen if they failed.
And the press is directly responsible for not pursuing the email scandal with tremendous force. Does anyone realize the constitutional strain created when you indict a sitting president???? For her to bring that type of baggage into a general election lightly challenged is the direct responsibility of the press, and may I say, our entire legal system--there is more than enough evidence for a conviction let alone an indictment!! The checks and balances we are supposed to have of an independent press, and even more importantly, an independent legal system have failed us. Above all else, both institutions are supposed to follow facts no matter where they lead. What a joke!
And where does that leave us? With a candidate who many fear does not have the temperament to have his finger on the nuclear button and another one who will likely be impeached even if she does get in office
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