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OT: Tom and other Revolutionary War buffs, I just this morning read of this new book.

Yes, apparently the Cubans were upset with his involvement in the Bay of Pigs invasion and there rumors that the colonial Mafia was out to get him as well. They planned to shoot him with a musket from the Quill Pen Depository Building in downtown Philadelphia as he rode in a carriage with his wife and the governor of Pennsylvania. The shooter was part of a conspiracy with the British government, the Cubans and the Mafia. John Wilkes Oswald was selected to be the shooter and stayed in Philadelphia at the Lorraine Motel, which was owned by James Earl Ray.
 
"The First Conspiracy: The Secret Plot to Kill George Washington."



I'd never head of this but did come up with the following Wiki page on Thomas Hickey, who was hung on June 28, 1776.

Yeah, it's slated to be released tomorrow (1/8). I'll be curious to see what the reviews are of it. I would be happier if the book was written by an academic with a track record in Rev War history. Meltzer is known for his bestselling books, as well as Brad Meltzer's Lost History show on History Channel. Josh Mensch, the other author, worked with Meltzer on Lost History, and is a TV producer and writer.

The Hickey hanging is nothing new to historians. The story around it has seen a lot of inflated claims, unsupported claims, etc. throughout the years. Whether or not Meltzer or Mensch resolve things, or just dangle possibilities, remains to be seen.

FWIW, it's pretty rare that a Rev War book comes along that I'm not aware of before it is published. I keep a list of Rev War books that I know are in the pipeline, and after they are published either add them to my wish list or decide I'm not that interested in the book. At this point, there are 20 Rev War books on my list of books slated to be published in 2019, and that number will grow. I don't recall how many I had on my pipeline list at this time last year, but there were 31 Rev War books that were published in 2018. (And that's going by my criteria. I don't include on the list books that were previously published in hardback and are coming out in paperback, or books that are reprints of older books, or books that deal with the Rev War/founding era as part of a wider focus, and a few other limits.)
 
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His relatives, WR Hickey, sure runs a nice Beer Distribution Business in State College.
 
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Yeah, it's slated to be released tomorrow (1/8). I'll be curious to see what the reviews are of it. I would be happier if the book was written by an academic with a track record in Rev War history. Meltzer is known for his bestselling books, as well as Brad Meltzer's Lost History show on History Channel. Josh Mensch, the other author, worked with Meltzer on Lost History, and is a TV producer and writer.

The Hickey hanging is nothing new to historians. The story around it has seen a lot of inflated claims, unsupported claims, etc. throughout the years. Whether or not Meltzer or Mensch resolve things, or just dangle possibilities, remains to be seen.

FWIW, it's pretty rare that a Rev War book comes along that I'm not aware of before it is published. I keep a list of Rev War books that I know are in the pipeline, and after they are published either add them to my wish list or decide I'm not that interested in the book. At this point, there are 20 Rev War books on my list of books slated to be published in 2019, and that number will grow. I don't recall how many I had on my pipeline list at this time last year, but there were 31 Rev War books that were published in 2018. (And that's going by my criteria. I don't include on the list books that were previously published in hardback and are coming out in paperback, or books that are reprints of older books, or books that deal with the Rev War/founding era as part of a wider focus, and a few other limits.)

Tom, have you ever read a book entitled, The Men When Who Lost America?
 
Tom, have you ever read a book entitled, The Men When Who Lost America?

I'm guessing you mean "The Men Who Lost America," by Andrew Jackson O'Shaughnessy. I read that book, and also went to a presentation by O'Shaughnessy on the book. It's an excellent book.
 
Yeah, it's slated to be released tomorrow (1/8). I'll be curious to see what the reviews are of it. I would be happier if the book was written by an academic with a track record in Rev War history. Meltzer is known for his bestselling books, as well as Brad Meltzer's Lost History show on History Channel. Josh Mensch, the other author, worked with Meltzer on Lost History, and is a TV producer and writer.

The Hickey hanging is nothing new to historians. The story around it has seen a lot of inflated claims, unsupported claims, etc. throughout the years. Whether or not Meltzer or Mensch resolve things, or just dangle possibilities, remains to be seen.

FWIW, it's pretty rare that a Rev War book comes along that I'm not aware of before it is published. I keep a list of Rev War books that I know are in the pipeline, and after they are published either add them to my wish list or decide I'm not that interested in the book. At this point, there are 20 Rev War books on my list of books slated to be published in 2019, and that number will grow. I don't recall how many I had on my pipeline list at this time last year, but there were 31 Rev War books that were published in 2018. (And that's going by my criteria. I don't include on the list books that were previously published in hardback and are coming out in paperback, or books that are reprints of older books, or books that deal with the Rev War/founding era as part of a wider focus, and a few other limits.)
Tom, can you recommend any pieces that discuss the Battles of Long Island/Brooklyn? Distant relative was Samuel Miles, who was captured there somewhat controversially. (I believe he may have actually laid out Milesburg and was also the first mayor of post-Constitutional Philadelphia.)
 
Tom, can you recommend any pieces that discuss the Battles of Long Island/Brooklyn? Distant relative was Samuel Miles, who was captured there somewhat controversially. (I believe he may have actually laid out Milesburg and was also the first mayor of post-Constitutional Philadelphia.)

IMHO, the best book on that battle is "The Battle For New York," by Barnet Schecter. There are several others that deal with the battle, but the aforementioned does the best job of handling the entire battle. Your distant relative is mentioned several times in the book.

Miles was captured in the Battle of Brooklyn. He was commanding the Pennsylvania riflemen that were protecting an area near the Bedford Pass. Howe, lead by some loyalist guides, had done an end around during the night, and marched the bulk of his troops through the Jamaica Pass, which was unguarded. Miles discovered Howe's troops in the morning. Unfortunately for him, he discovered the rear of Howe's troops, and when they noticed him and his man, they quickly overwhelmed them. (Well, many of them. Miles did send a scout back to the main lines to alert the Patriots, and many of Miles' men were able to escape back into the woods when the English troops captured Miles and the lead part of his riflemen.)

There was a lot of back and forth blame about how how the English were able to get through Jamaica Pass undetected. Some blamed it on Washington, Gen. Sullivan, and other leaders who elected to not guard that pass. Others felt that Miles and his men, who were the Patriot forces closest to the Jamaica Pass, should have discovered the English forces. Historians have read the various statements by participants in the battle, and been debating who is to blame for 200+ years.

Your distant relative did have some fame. There are a couple of portraits of him. I believe one hangs in the Philadelphia Museum of Art.

I'd call Miles the 2nd post-Constitutional mayor of Philadelphia. The US Constitution was ratified on June 21, 1788. Samuel Powell was selected mayor by the Council in 1789, and served until 1790. Samuel Miles was selected as mayor by the Council in 1790, and served for 1 year.

Miles is also famous as being the 1st "faithless elector" in the Electoral College. In 1796, he had pledged to vote for John Adams, but voted for Thomas Jefferson.
 
Tom, can you recommend any pieces that discuss the Battles of Long Island/Brooklyn? Distant relative was Samuel Miles, who was captured there somewhat controversially. (I believe he may have actually laid out Milesburg and was also the first mayor of post-Constitutional Philadelphia.)
Miles Twp in Brush Valley was named after him also.
 
"The First Conspiracy: The Secret Plot to Kill George Washington."



I'd never head of this but did come up with the following Wiki page on Thomas Hickey, who was hung on June 28, 1776.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hickey_(soldier)

And, this, somehow (ahem) surprises YOU? A plot to kill?

We are talking about apes, you know? Apes kill. That's what apes do well.

You know when you watch movies (e.g., Alien) and they want to capture the species and (ahem) weaponize it...thats a REFLECTION of who "we" are as a species.

The African Ape is a KILLER. It's what it does well. It's been killing since its genesis.
 
IMHO, the best book on that battle is "The Battle For New York," by Barnet Schecter. There are several others that deal with the battle, but the aforementioned does the best job of handling the entire battle. Your distant relative is mentioned several times in the book.

Miles was captured in the Battle of Brooklyn. He was commanding the Pennsylvania riflemen that were protecting an area near the Bedford Pass. Howe, lead by some loyalist guides, had done an end around during the night, and marched the bulk of his troops through the Jamaica Pass, which was unguarded. Miles discovered Howe's troops in the morning. Unfortunately for him, he discovered the rear of Howe's troops, and when they noticed him and his man, they quickly overwhelmed them. (Well, many of them. Miles did send a scout back to the main lines to alert the Patriots, and many of Miles' men were able to escape back into the woods when the English troops captured Miles and the lead part of his riflemen.)

There was a lot of back and forth blame about how how the English were able to get through Jamaica Pass undetected. Some blamed it on Washington, Gen. Sullivan, and other leaders who elected to not guard that pass. Others felt that Miles and his men, who were the Patriot forces closest to the Jamaica Pass, should have discovered the English forces. Historians have read the various statements by participants in the battle, and been debating who is to blame for 200+ years.

Your distant relative did have some fame. There are a couple of portraits of him. I believe one hangs in the Philadelphia Museum of Art.

I'd call Miles the 2nd post-Constitutional mayor of Philadelphia. The US Constitution was ratified on June 21, 1788. Samuel Powell was selected mayor by the Council in 1789, and served until 1790. Samuel Miles was selected as mayor by the Council in 1790, and served for 1 year.

Miles is also famous as being the 1st "faithless elector" in the Electoral College. In 1796, he had pledged to vote for John Adams, but voted for Thomas Jefferson.
Tom (and others), thanks so very much. I have some reading time coming up, and this will be my next to-do.

I do trot out the "faithless elector" piece every now and then at cocktail parties where lawyers are present (unfortunately, more frequently than I used to given recent elections). This is probably a good reminder that I need to remind my son about it, since he's now at Mr. Jefferson's University.
 
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And, this, somehow (ahem) surprises YOU? A plot to kill?

We are talking about apes, you know? Apes kill. That's what apes do well.

You know when you watch movies (e.g., Alien) and they want to capture the species and (ahem) weaponize it...thats a REFLECTION of who "we" are as a species.

The African Ape is a KILLER. It's what it does well. It's been killing since its genesis.
Having been born at a very particular time in history, such that in 1972 I was just young and naiive enough to not know the distinction between gorillas and guerillas and such that video coverage was grainy enough to make it seem plausible, it took me several days to realize that the "Arab Guerillas" that took over the Munich Olympics were in fact human beings.
 
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Having been born at a very particular time in history, such that in 1972 I was just young and naiive enough to not know the distinction between gorillas and guerillas and such that video coverage was grainy enough to make it seem plausible, it took me several days to realize that the "Arab Guerillas" that took over the Munich Olympics were in fact human beings.
I used to think the same thing when I was young and heard the word "gorilla" or "guerrilla."
 
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