Other offers for our composite 3 star verbals from the 2020 class

[Judge Smails]

Not all 3 stars are created equal. Many of these kids are 4 stars on one of the services. Landing many of these guys was a significant recruiting victory.


OL Jimmy Christ

Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Pitt

CB Joseph Johnson

Florida, FSU, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Tennesse, Virginia Tech, Pitt

OT Olu Fashanu

Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon

OG Golden Israel-Achumba

Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, MSU, Pitt, Tennessee

QB Micah Bowens

Arizona, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Oregon, Duke

Juco S Ji'Ayir Brown

Kent State, Maryland

DE Amin Vanover

Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas A&M

LB Tyler Elsdon

Harvard, Yale, Vanderbilt, Princeton, Maryland, Louisville, WVU

DE Brandon Taylor

Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, WVU, Tennessee, Kentucky

DE Bryce Mostella

Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pitt, Miami, Iowa

WR Malick Meiga

Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina

Juco WR Norval Black

PSU

TE Tyler Warren

Michigan, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse

DT Fatorma Mulbah

Army, Bowling Green, UMass

OT Ibrahim Traore

Miami, Minnesota, Ole Miss, Tennessee, West Virginia

OG Nick Dawkins

Pitt, WVU, Vanderbilt, Northwestern

 

[ras5051]

that's some good stuff... I don't imagine all of those are commitable offers, but a good sign that at least the Alabama's, OSU's, Mich, Clemson's of the world had interest in a lot of these guys at one point.

 

[Richard the LIONhearted]

This is an amazing analysis and really places things in perspective. Still, listen to the L24/7 podcast with Fitz and Donahue. They both realize the shortcomings of this class. Fitz said something like "you never want the strongest position group in a recruiting class to be at TE" but that is where PS is right now. There are a lot of projects in this class. I am fully confident that they will develop. Fitz talked about the anchor that was the 9-4 season and the Citrus Bowl.

 

[83wuzme]

Offers are probably a better objective measurement of potential than stars.

 

[Judge Smails]

that's some good stuff... I don't imagine all of those are commitable offers, but a good sign that at least the Alabama's, OSU's, Mich, Clemson's of the world had interest in a lot of these guys at one point.

That "commitable offers" thing is so school specific. Schools fill up at certain positions and can't take another player there. They were still considered good enough to get the offer in the first place. Georgia took the lowest rated recruit in our class because they had a need at OT. There are caveats to this of course, but I still think offers is a better measure than stars determined by writers from recruiting websites.

 

[LemonEars]

Not all 3 stars are created equal. Many of these kids are 4 stars on one of the services. Landing many of these guys were significant recruiting victories.


OL Jimmy Christ

Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Pitt

CB Joseph Johnson

Florida, FSU, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Tennesse, Virginia Tech, Pitt

OT Olu Fashanu

Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon

OG Golden Israel-Achumba

Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, MSU, Pitt, Tennessee

QB Micah Bowens

Arizona, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Oregon, Duke

Juco S Ji'Ayir Brown

Kent State, Maryland

DE Amin Vanover

Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas A&M

LB Tyler Elsdon

Harvard, Yale, Vanderbilt, Princeton, Maryland, Louisville, WVU

DE Brandon Taylor

Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, WVU, Tennessee, Kentucky

DE Bryce Mostella

Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pitt, Miami, Iowa

WR Malick Meiga

Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina

Juco WR Norval Black

PSU

TE Tyler Warren

Michigan, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse

DT Fatorma Mulbah

Army, Bowling Green, UMass

OT Ibrahim Traore

Miami, Minnesota, Ole Miss, Tennessee, West Virginia

OG Nick Dawkins

Pitt, WVU, Vanderbilt, Northwestern

I think Tyler Elsdon from eastern Pa. is the sleeper in this class. I bet he gets redshirted, works hard, and learns quickly. He is a super bright guy with a terrific attitude and work effort. I look for him to be a Michael Mauti type linebacker.

 

[KnightSlayer]

This is an amazing analysis and really places things in perspective. Still, listen to the L24/7 podcast with Fitz and Donahue. They both realize the shortcomings of this class. Fitz said something like "you never want the strongest position group in a recruiting class to be at TE" but that is where PS is right now. There are a lot of projects in this class. I am fully confident that they will develop. Fitz talked about the anchor that was the 9-4 season and the Citrus Bowl.

And yet, we see teams like Tennessee and Texas A&M having much worse seasons on the field for multiple years and yet they still reel in top recruits. I wonder how they do that?

 

[Mudge1026]

Not all 3 stars are created equal. Many of these kids are 4 stars on one of the services. Landing many of these guys were significant recruiting victories.


OL Jimmy Christ

Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Pitt

CB Joseph Johnson

Florida, FSU, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Tennesse, Virginia Tech, Pitt

OT Olu Fashanu

Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon

OG Golden Israel-Achumba

Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, MSU, Pitt, Tennessee

QB Micah Bowens

Arizona, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Oregon, Duke

Juco S Ji'Ayir Brown

Kent State, Maryland

DE Amin Vanover

Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas A&M

LB Tyler Elsdon

Harvard, Yale, Vanderbilt, Princeton, Maryland, Louisville, WVU

DE Brandon Taylor

Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, WVU, Tennessee, Kentucky

DE Bryce Mostella

Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pitt, Miami, Iowa

WR Malick Meiga

Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina

Juco WR Norval Black

PSU

TE Tyler Warren

Michigan, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse

DT Fatorma Mulbah

Army, Bowling Green, UMass

OT Ibrahim Traore

Miami, Minnesota, Ole Miss, Tennessee, West Virginia

OG Nick Dawkins

Pitt, WVU, Vanderbilt, Northwestern

Christ, Fashanu, and Achumba are 4 stars on Rivals.

 

[GregInPitt]

Not all 3 stars are created equal. Many of these kids are 4 stars on one of the services. Landing many of these guys were significant recruiting victories.


OL Jimmy Christ

Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Clemson, Florida, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Pitt

CB Joseph Johnson

Florida, FSU, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Tennesse, Virginia Tech, Pitt

OT Olu Fashanu

Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon

OG Golden Israel-Achumba

Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, MSU, Pitt, Tennessee

QB Micah Bowens

Arizona, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Oregon, Duke

Juco S Ji'Ayir Brown

Kent State, Maryland

DE Amin Vanover

Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas A&M

LB Tyler Elsdon

Harvard, Yale, Vanderbilt, Princeton, Maryland, Louisville, WVU

DE Brandon Taylor

Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, WVU, Tennessee, Kentucky

DE Bryce Mostella

Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Pitt, Miami, Iowa

WR Malick Meiga

Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina

Juco WR Norval Black

PSU

TE Tyler Warren

Michigan, South Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse

DT Fatorma Mulbah

Army, Bowling Green, UMass

OT Ibrahim Traore

Miami, Minnesota, Ole Miss, Tennessee, West Virginia

OG Nick Dawkins

Pitt, WVU, Vanderbilt, Northwestern

Nicely summarized, but I'm assuming you listed the pitt offers entirely for comic relief.....

 

[Judge Smails]

Christ, Fashanu, and Achumba are 4 stars on Rivals.

The title of the post states that these are 3 stars on the 247 composite made up of Rivals, ESPN, and 247.

 

[eidolon21]

The title of the post states that these are 3 stars on the 247 composite made up of Rivals, ESPN, and 247.

So who has the most regional bias of the three? I suggest ESPiN is top heavy with southeast overrating of players but I put minimal analysis in it, more just an expectation ESPiN is all about clicks and TV ratings.

 

[BBrown]

And yet, we see teams like Tennessee and Texas A&M having much worse seasons on the field for multiple years and yet they still reel in top recruits. I wonder how they do that?

Throw in FSU as well since they had some top 5 recruiting classes and absolutely nothing to show for it except one coach who left and one who just got fired.
A&M I might give a little leeway too. They had a brutal schedule.

 

[Judge Smails]

This is an amazing analysis and really places things in perspective. Still, listen to the L24/7 podcast with Fitz and Donahue. They both realize the shortcomings of this class. Fitz said something like "you never want the strongest position group in a recruiting class to be at TE" but that is where PS is right now. There are a lot of projects in this class. I am fully confident that they will develop. Fitz talked about the anchor that was the 9-4 season and the Citrus Bowl.

No, there is no argument that this class didn't turn out to be what it had the potential to be. We have the chance again in 2021 with many 5 star or highly ranked 4 stars from the region listing PSU as favorites or among their top group.

Win the bowl game, 3rd 11 win season in 4 years, preseason Top 10 ranking when they come up after the bowl games, land a hot OC candidate with some coattails to bring in exciting offensive recruits......let's run it back.

 

[WrathofQuon11]

This is an amazing analysis and really places things in perspective. Still, listen to the L24/7 podcast with Fitz and Donahue. They both realize the shortcomings of this class. Fitz said something like "you never want the strongest position group in a recruiting class to be at TE" but that is where PS is right now. There are a lot of projects in this class. I am fully confident that they will develop. Fitz talked about the anchor that was the 9-4 season and the Citrus Bowl.

State up front that I think this class has a lot of sleepers and star potential (#9 is already not too shabby). Obviously some of the 5 stars guys on our radar didn't work out which dampened some of the early expectations for this class. But its funny to think with Franklin what our expectations are for a a top class vs what they were 5 years ago.

 

[Judge Smails]

Nicely summarized, but I'm assuming you listed the pitt offers entirely for comic relief.....

You know the Pitters are over here. Just to give them a little nudge.

 

[Media Fan]

You all know more than me.
I don’t remember where 5 stars stop etc. etc.
But say 4 stars stop at 300 for the purpose of this e-mail.
1. Do you really believe that the 250 ranked player is meaningfully different than the 400th. I don’t.
2. Prospects are lumped into 10 or so categories. Do you really believe the 35 ranked tackle is that different from the 20th. I don’t.
3. I don’t believe any of these rankings take into account the player’s character, heart, willingness to make the total effort needed.

 

[BBrown]

This is an amazing analysis and really places things in perspective. Still, listen to the L24/7 podcast with Fitz and Donahue. They both realize the shortcomings of this class. Fitz said something like "you never want the strongest position group in a recruiting class to be at TE" but that is where PS is right now. There are a lot of projects in this class. I am fully confident that they will develop. Fitz talked about the anchor that was the 9-4 season and the Citrus Bowl.

I listed to the tuesday podcast and if its the same one you are referring to I came away from it with a little different view than you did.
Yes he talked about the Citrus bowl and the portal and maybe some not so good vibes coming out of Happy Valley but he went on to say they really turned it around and signed a very good class.

 

[Judge Smails]

You all know more than me.
I don’t remember where 5 stars stop etc. etc.
But say 4 stars stop at 300 for the purpose of this e-mail.
1. Do you really believe that the 250 ranked player is meaningfully different than the 400th. I don’t.
2. Prospects are lumped into 10 or so categories. Do you really believe the 35 ranked tackle is that different from the 20th. I don’t.
3. I don’t believe any of these rankings take into account the player’s character, heart, willingness to make the total effort needed.

All true. That said, the playoff teams have consistent Top 10 classes. You can argue things around the margins though.

 

[Howie'81]

And yet, we see teams like Tennessee and Texas A&M having much worse seasons on the field for multiple years and yet they still reel in top recruits. I wonder how they do that?

I have the same question. There's more to it than a single 9 - 4 year after 2 straight NY6 appearances and top 10 finishes.

 

[KnightSlayer]

I have the same question. There's more to it than a single 9 - 4 year after 2 straight NY6 appearances and top 10 finishes.

It's a lack of bagmen in State College.

 

[BobPSU92]

You know the Pitters are over here. Just to give them a little nudge.

A little nudge off the cliff.

 

[bison13]

You all know more than me.
I don’t remember where 5 stars stop etc. etc.
But say 4 stars stop at 300 for the purpose of this e-mail.
1. Do you really believe that the 250 ranked player is meaningfully different than the 400th. I don’t.
2. Prospects are lumped into 10 or so categories. Do you really believe the 35 ranked tackle is that different from the 20th. I don’t.
3. I don’t believe any of these rankings take into account the player’s character, heart, willingness to make the total effort needed.

how well a recruits 'fit' in to the school schemes. 5 star CB's who go to a school that plays a lot of press man coverage vs zone is a big one. OL where its proset vs RPO makes a difference as well.

 

[joeparules]

And yet, we see teams like Tennessee and Texas A&M having much worse seasons on the field for multiple years and yet they still reel in top recruits. I wonder how they do that?

I was going to start a separate thread, but your comment is exactly what I was looking at. I did a semi-scientific look at "under acheivers" and "over acheivers" in recruiting by averaging the team's final rank the last three years and compared it to their recruiting ranking. I only looked at the top 30 recuriting ranks so it is not comprehenisive but it shows Wisconsin and OU are "under acheiving" (recruiting rank at least 7 points below their three year average final rank) and Nebraska and UNC as "over acheivers. I can justify UNL and UNC with the buzz of new head coaches, but right next to them is Tennessee, GA Tech, FSU, South Carolina and Texas A&M. Really make$ you wonder how these $chool$ have $uch high recuriting cla$$e$ based on recent re$ult$?!

FYI, PSU was the only other "under acheiver" (recruit rank below three year season rank), but it was only around one point.

 

[PSU2UNC]

You all know more than me.
I don’t remember where 5 stars stop etc. etc.
But say 4 stars stop at 300 for the purpose of this e-mail.
1. Do you really believe that the 250 ranked player is meaningfully different than the 400th. I don’t.
2. Prospects are lumped into 10 or so categories. Do you really believe the 35 ranked tackle is that different from the 20th. I don’t.
3. I don’t believe any of these rankings take into account the player’s character, heart, willingness to make the total effort needed.

I used to agree with you more than I do now.

The data using blue chip ratio definitely supports the hypothesis that "stars do matter". Maybe they don't matter from a "Can I make it to a bowl?" or a "Can I win my division?" perspective, but if the realistic goal is national championships, the data suggests that there is a difference between player #250 and player #400.

 

[LMTLION]

How does Wiscy consistently produce quality results since the mid 90s without top recruiting classes? It’s more than merely being in the west. It has a lot to do with development of best fit players and consistency in approach. Wiscy in 2019, big oline, strong running game, and tough d, is no different than Wiscy from 20 years ago.

 

[danvillenit]

How does Wiscy consistently produce quality results since the mid 90s without top recruiting classes? It’s more than merely being in the west. It has a lot to do with development of best fit players and consistency in approach. Wiscy in 2019, big oline, strong running game, and tough d, is no different than Wiscy from 20 years ago.

Not all the West but a significant part. They’ve lost five straight to PSU. They may play better than their rankings but they haven’t broken thru.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Not all the West but a significant part. They’ve lost five straight to PSU. They may play better than their rankings but they haven’t broken thru.

They also have exactly one more Big10 Championship (since the Championship game started) than PSU and did not have crippling sanctions for 4 of those seasons.

 

[psuro]

I think Tyler Elsdon from eastern Pa. is the sleeper in this class. I bet he gets redshirted, works hard, and learns quickly. He is a super bright guy with a terrific attitude and work effort. I look for him to be a Michael Mauti type linebacker.

Do you know him?

 

[LemonEars]

Do you know him?

My nephew is a friend of his and has told me about him. I have never met him. Tyler is well known and well respected in the community.