Ouch!!! HATE this move by the Buccos. HATE it!

[bjf1984]

One of the very few personnel moves by this group that I absolutely hate.

Worley was definitely the #1 depth option for the rotation.
Despite some mediocre results, his "stuff" has been very good - and his mentality of going right after guys is something this staff could use MORE of.......as opposed to Morton and Locke's "nibble" mentality.

Absolutely WOULD NOT prefer Blanton to Worley. No way. Not to mention, I would much rather risk losing a Guerra or a Caminero than lose Worley.

HATE this move. They better hope AJ finds some adrenaline for the stretch run, and that Locke or Morton don't implode.

AWFUL move.

Since moving to the pen, Worleys stats:

2W - 2L 30 Innings, 10 earned runs (3.33 ERA) 26 hits, 5 walks, 19 strikeouts 1.03 whip

Why in the world do you cut that guy????

Across the board, his numbers are not only better than Blanton, but also better than Bastardo, Caminero, and Guerra. Not to mention he is the only one of that group that could be reasonably used as SP depth.

This is an absolute WTF head scratcher. I can't figure that at all.

Would they possibly be hoping that teams will be "scared off" by the remainder of his $2.5 million salary for 2015? Hoping teams will pass him through waivers and they can store him back in Indianapolis? I will be shocked if some contender doesn't pick him up.

 

[fairgambit]

My response is that we have what I believe to be one of the best pitching coaches in baseball in Ray Searage. I have no doubt he had input into these moves. If he's on board, so am I.

 

[bjf1984]

My response is that we have, what I believe to be one of the best pitching coaches in baseball in Ray Searage. I have no doubt he had input into these moves. If he's on board, so am I.

I like Ray.....but I hate the move - no matter who was behind it.

 

[Still in State College]

Don't really get it either. The only thing I can figure is they hope nobody will take him at $2.4M.

 

[lionlurker]

Apparently Worley wanted out and told them he was unhappy.

 

[bjf1984]

Apparently Worley wanted out and told them he was unhappy.

That's the only thing that makes sense. Personally, if that's the case, I don't really blame him. I think he was a better option for the rotation than Locke.

 

[Hartzie]

Apparently Worley wanted out and told them he was unhappy.

Pittsburgh media is reporting that Worley was "very unhappy" about the decision.

 

[nits74]

One of the very few personnel moves by this group that I absolutely hate.

Worley was definitely the #1 depth option for the rotation.
Despite some mediocre results, his "stuff" has been very good - and his mentality of going right after guys is something this staff could use MORE of.......as opposed to Morton and Locke's "nibble" mentality.

Absolutely WOULD NOT prefer Blanton to Worley. No way. Not to mention, I would much rather risk losing a Guerra or a Caminero than lose Worley.

HATE this move. They better hope AJ finds some adrenaline for the stretch run, and that Locke or Morton don't implode.

AWFUL move.

Since moving to the pen, Worleys stats:

2W - 2L 30 Innings, 10 earned runs (3.33 ERA) 26 hits, 5 walks, 19 strikeouts 1.03 whip

Why in the world do you cut that guy????

Across the board, his numbers are not only better than Blanton, but also better than Bastardo, Caminero, and Guerra. Not to mention he is the only one of that group that could be reasonably used as SP depth.

This is an absolute WTF head scratcher. I can't figure that at all.

Would they possibly be hoping that teams will be "scared off" by the remainder of his $2.5 million salary for 2015? Hoping teams will pass him through waivers and they can store him back in Indianapolis? I will be shocked if some contender doesn't pick him up.

Don't know, but maybe it's a prelude to another trade for a starting pitcher. That said, on it's surface it doesn't make sense (unless they like the potential of Caminero/Guerra).

 

[NorCalcLion]

One of the very few personnel moves by this group that I absolutely hate.

Worley was definitely the #1 depth option for the rotation.
Despite some mediocre results, his "stuff" has been very good - and his mentality of going right after guys is something this staff could use MORE of.......as opposed to Morton and Locke's "nibble" mentality.

Absolutely WOULD NOT prefer Blanton to Worley. No way. Not to mention, I would much rather risk losing a Guerra or a Caminero than lose Worley.

HATE this move. They better hope AJ finds some adrenaline for the stretch run, and that Locke or Morton don't implode.

AWFUL move.

Since moving to the pen, Worleys stats:

2W - 2L 30 Innings, 10 earned runs (3.33 ERA) 26 hits, 5 walks, 19 strikeouts 1.03 whip

Why in the world do you cut that guy????

Across the board, his numbers are not only better than Blanton, but also better than Bastardo, Caminero, and Guerra. Not to mention he is the only one of that group that could be reasonably used as SP depth.

This is an absolute WTF head scratcher. I can't figure that at all.

Would they possibly be hoping that teams will be "scared off" by the remainder of his $2.5 million salary for 2015? Hoping teams will pass him through waivers and they can store him back in Indianapolis? I will be shocked if some contender doesn't pick him up.

Because he wasn't good enough to beat out Locke or Morton, who are below average major league pitchers When he pitched against Milwaukee a week ago , he was shelled !

 

[bjf1984]

Because he wasn't good enough to beat out Locke or Morton, who are below average major league pitchers When he pitched against Milwaukee a week ago , he was shelled !

LOL

HIs numbers are better than either of those guys. And they were better than either of those guys last year as well.

If his performance against the Brewers should get him released......Morton's outing against the Nationals should get him shot......twice. LOL

But that isn't even the issue. Does he bring more to the table than Blanton? Caminero? Guerra?

UGH

There HAD TO BE something other than performance that drove this move.

 

[wbcincy]

LOL

HIs numbers are better than either of those guys. And they were better than either of those guys last year as well.

If his performance against the Brewers should get him released......Morton's outing against the Nationals should get him shot......twice. LOL

But that isn't even the issue. Does he bring more to the table than Blanton? Caminero? Guerra?

UGH

There HAD TO BE something other than performance that drove this move.

I think your last sentence says it. Blanton has been great out of the pen, so I like adding him, but as you said, Worley shouldn't have been the first to go out of that pen. Must be more to it.

 

[NewYC]

LOL

HIs numbers are better than either of those guys. And they were better than either of those guys last year as well.

If his performance against the Brewers should get him released......Morton's outing against the Nationals should get him shot......twice. LOL

But that isn't even the issue. Does he bring more to the table than Blanton? Caminero? Guerra?

UGH

There HAD TO BE something other than performance that drove this move.

I understand how you could be a little frustrated. Let's be honest though, Worley is not great and this move is far from a horrible one. It might not benefit the team, but Blanton is very comparable to Worley. Not sure why they did it either, but if Blanton performs well then this could work out.

 

[lionlurker]

Worley may have said that, but the early afternoon sports talk radio shows all said that Worley has been telling management that he was not happy with his role and wanted to be moved.

Hard to say who is telling the truth here. Prior to this, Worley seemed like a good soldier.

 

[1PSUfootball1]

I'll trust the experts and although I'm not sold on Locke, I like both he and Morton better than Worley.

 

[TheGLOV]

One of the very few personnel moves by this group that I absolutely hate.

Worley was definitely the #1 depth option for the rotation.
Despite some mediocre results, his "stuff" has been very good - and his mentality of going right after guys is something this staff could use MORE of.......as opposed to Morton and Locke's "nibble" mentality.

Absolutely WOULD NOT prefer Blanton to Worley. No way. Not to mention, I would much rather risk losing a Guerra or a Caminero than lose Worley.

HATE this move. They better hope AJ finds some adrenaline for the stretch run, and that Locke or Morton don't implode.

AWFUL move.

Since moving to the pen, Worleys stats:

2W - 2L 30 Innings, 10 earned runs (3.33 ERA) 26 hits, 5 walks, 19 strikeouts 1.03 whip

Why in the world do you cut that guy????

Across the board, his numbers are not only better than Blanton, but also better than Bastardo, Caminero, and Guerra. Not to mention he is the only one of that group that could be reasonably used as SP depth.

This is an absolute WTF head scratcher. I can't figure that at all.

Would they possibly be hoping that teams will be "scared off" by the remainder of his $2.5 million salary for 2015? Hoping teams will pass him through waivers and they can store him back in Indianapolis? I will be shocked if some contender doesn't pick him up.

What? Clint Hurdle didn't call you and ask your advice?

I'm shocked!!

 

[wbcincy]

One thought on Worley. He's barely had any opportunities to pitch over the past month. He costs more than most teams are willing to spend to pick him up, so this allows the Pirates to send him down, get his arm stretched out by pitching regularly and bring him back up as a potential starter if/when someone struggles or gets hurt.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I think Cam and Bastardo are out of options and can't be sent down with going through waivers Age and length of contract may have also played in, IDK. Sports is much more business now.

 

[kgilbert78]

They sure seem to have a lot of ex-Phillies pitchers.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

One of the very few personnel moves by this group that I absolutely hate.

Worley was definitely the #1 depth option for the rotation.
Despite some mediocre results, his "stuff" has been very good - and his mentality of going right after guys is something this staff could use MORE of.......as opposed to Morton and Locke's "nibble" mentality.

Absolutely WOULD NOT prefer Blanton to Worley. No way. Not to mention, I would much rather risk losing a Guerra or a Caminero than lose Worley.

HATE this move. They better hope AJ finds some adrenaline for the stretch run, and that Locke or Morton don't implode.

AWFUL move.

Since moving to the pen, Worleys stats:

2W - 2L 30 Innings, 10 earned runs (3.33 ERA) 26 hits, 5 walks, 19 strikeouts 1.03 whip

Why in the world do you cut that guy????

Across the board, his numbers are not only better than Blanton, but also better than Bastardo, Caminero, and Guerra. Not to mention he is the only one of that group that could be reasonably used as SP depth.

This is an absolute WTF head scratcher. I can't figure that at all.

Would they possibly be hoping that teams will be "scared off" by the remainder of his $2.5 million salary for 2015? Hoping teams will pass him through waivers and they can store him back in Indianapolis? I will be shocked if some contender doesn't pick him up.

Maybe he still is the #1 option. They'll just need to bring him up.

These guys picked up yesterday are for relief.

 

[bjf1984]

Maybe he still is the #1 option. They'll just need to bring him up.

These guys picked up yesterday are for relief.

They released Worley

 

[BBG65]

I also don't understand this move. I believe Worley has the option of accepting an assignment to the minors or free agency. That is assuming no other club claims him. If he opts for free agency, he forfeits his salary. If he is unhappy with the Pirates and asked for this move as some are saying, his decision on this will tell the tale. I don't know how long waivers last before the Pirates can send him to AAA if that's what happens.

 

[lionroar88]

Maybe they released him so the Phillies can bring him back to town. I loved Worley when he was with Philly!

 

[bjf1984]

I also don't understand this move. I believe Worley has the option of accepting an assignment to the minors or free agency. That is assuming no other club claims him. If he opts for free agency, he forfeits his salary. If he is unhappy with the Pirates and asked for this move as some are saying, his decision on this will tell the tale. I don't know how long waivers last before the Pirates can send him to AAA if that's what happens.

That would be a best case scenario.

If he does not get claimed, one would think it would be a no-brainer to take the AAA assignment (as you said, he would otherwise forfeit $1,000,000 or so - the remainder of his contract value for this year).

If he does go through waivers and DOES NOT accept an assignment - that would be very unusual.

 

[91Joe95]

They released Worley

He was out of options. They had to cut him and if no one picks him up they can send him to AAA to stretch out, assuming he doesn't elect free agency and lose his salary.

 

[bjf1984]

He was out of options. They had to cut him and if no one picks him up they can send him to AAA to stretch out, assuming he doesn't elect free agency and lose his salary.

I know. So where all of the bottom of the bullpen guys. They would have faced the same process with all of them - otherwise, the decision would have been a lot easier (send down the guy with options, like they did with Hughes last year, even though he was certainly not the "least effective" guy in the pen)......unfortunately, in this case, Worley was the only one of the bunch who was also a possible replacement for any of their three struggling starters.

 

[91Joe95]

I know. So where all of the bottom of the bullpen guys. They would have faced the same process with all of them - otherwise, the decision would have been a lot easier (send down the guy with options, like they did with Hughes last year, even though he was certainly not the "least effective" guy in the pen)......unfortunately, in this case, Worley was the only one of the bunch who was also a possible replacement for any of their three struggling starters.

Hughes had options last year.

 

[bjf1984]

Hughes had options last year.

I know.....I thought I said that