"Retarded" is not the politically correct term these days sir.
I believe it is mentally challenged.
"Shit-for-brains" can also work at times if needed.
LOL!!!
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"Retarded" is not the politically correct term these days sir.
I believe it is mentally challenged.
"Shit-for-brains" can also work at times if needed.
LOL!!!
Has nothing to do with being PC - it is a very rude, insensitive and disrespectful term given that many board members may have loved ones or close friends impacted by such conditions.
He wanted to make it a bigger case and it never materialized--Umm he didn't need to wait for a bigger case to materialize...he already had one with Ali --2,088 charges for $400K+ of fraud. That's why we've all been saying it made no sense to use the big fish to go after some minnows and possibly get something bigger when you already had a whale on the line!!
If there was enough evidence to convict the 5 philly black democrats then WHY DIDN'T FINA get convictions, it's not like he only got the "rock solid" tapes right before he left the OAG?? The evidence gathering was finished well before Kane took office (most of it over a year before she took office), and fina/Kelly/Ryan did absolutely NOTHING with it. That is a fact. You do realize that by saying Kane had enough evidence to convict the philly democrats it makes Fina not doing anything with the 5 philly democrats for 18 months look even worse right? Kane may have had the tapes but she didn't have a cooperating witness (the person who made the tapes) to testify to their authenticity in court thanks to Fina signing the nolle pros. deal with Ali weeks before Kane even took office. Fina had both a cooperative Ali AND the "rock solid" tapes for MONTHS and never did a damn thing...hmm...that doesn't seem to line up with your contentions that the case was a slam dunk. Why didn't Kelly or Ryan prosecute the 5 philly democrats? The tapes were around for them and they didn't do squat.
Regarding your question has it been proven that Kane has lied about anything? Or is it her word against another's about the memo? Regardless of the memo this #blingsting case has been a dumpster fire since the moment it started. Kelly wanted nothing to do with it, Ryan wanted nothing to do with it, Fina wanted nothing to do with it....then when Kane says she wants nothing to do with it (and this is AFTER Ali got the deal of the century by fina mind you) you and the rest of fina's minions jump all over her....yeah...that makes a lot of sense....smh
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Of course, anything that doesn't fit your agenda isn't credible.
It's an undisputed fact that she lied about the affidavit.
Direct Quote (for the 30th time) from the April 10th news conference where she challenged Williams to take the case:
"Our special agent in charge put that in a note, in his case note, and did an affidavit to that effect. . . . That is the evidence we have.”
It doesn't exist and never has.
The only thing produced, after judicial intervention, was an unsworn memo from a member of her staff dated 4 days after the news conference.
The case agent, Claude Thomas, has denied saying anything about racial targeting. He's suing Kane and the staff member over it.
She also claimed to have turned evidence over to the State Ethics Commission, she hadn't.
So the question is, why would she lie in such an egregious manner?
Kind of like claiming a protective order is preventing the release of emails when it isn't.
Clicked on a random article and continue to be amazed by Frank Fina's evil ability to manipulate the narrative through his media puppets. Seriously, the PornDog's got an evil gift... can't help but wonder if HE might be "THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN PENNSYLVANIA."
I am sure this is a very complicated situation. As is the case with politics.........slime all around. In order to simplify things I think of FDR and his quote about Somoza. "(S)he may be a (son of a) bitch, but (s)he is OUR (son of a) bitch.
I will be visited in my office by 4 or 5 Scranton-area residents of various political leanings later this morning. I am hoping to get their take on all of this. Of course, Kane is the daughter of their former co-worker, so I will be careful to notice any clear bias. Given that they will be out of NEPA for our conversation, I might get some straight talk. I will share my impressions later today.
Then why hasn't she challenged the assertion?The only one with an agenda is YOU. She told no lies.
You =
Why is she being sued by the agent?
She also claimed to have turned over evidence to the State Ethics Commission when she hadn't. Are they in on it too?
At least you admit it.
Yeah, you sound like a rational person that looks at the facts.
The problem with this theory, as I see it, is that Kane is the one in control of the e-mails and those in question are only those that she seeks to release. Let's assume there is an e-mail that makes her and/or a family member look bad. Has someone specifically requested that e-mail? I don't think so. So even if it exists she won't release it and nobody has asked her to. How would anyone even know about that?
Obviously there are hundreds of thousands of e-mails in the AG files. The only ones in question are those that Kane has identified. Am I wrong about this?
So you dont have an explanation for why Kelly, Ryan, or Fina did nothing with the case even after they had the tapes for months and a cooperative Ali, thanks, thats what I thought.
Regarding the memo you're obsessed with, its her word against Claudes so nothing has been proven yet and the fact that its the only thing you keep hanging your arguments on is quite telling. The memo issue will get settled in court since as you pointed out Claude is suing Kane. However you refuse to provide an explanation for why your hero fina did nothing with prosecuting the democrats even after he had the tapes (and a cooperative Ali) and why he let the big fish go to go after some minnows--which is the actual main issue of discussion. It's completely illogical.
Yet all you want to do is harp on the memo and Kane supposedly lying/being mistaken about her filing a complaint to the ethics committeed. By the way to you have a link to the proof that she didn't file a complaint with the ethics committee? You keep mentioning it as if its a fact. You're the epitome of failing to see the forest through the trees. Regurgitating finas claims about Kane lying doesnt make them facts.
Kane supposedly lying about the memo and complaint to ethics committee is a million miles away from the heart of the matter, which is the blingsting investigation was dog crap and no OAG wanted anything to do with it including the two OAGs that preceeded Kane. If the case was so rock solid the two previous OAGs would have done something with it.
It's not up for debate, she said she had A SWORN AFFIDAVIT at the same news conference she dared Williams to take the case.
It isn't matter of her word against someone else's. She lied, deal with it.
The nut jobs at your favorite blog admit it- http://casablancapa.blogspot.com/2014/12/kanes-fumbling-distracts-from-genuine.html?m=1
We can't explain why she claimed to have an affidavit she didn't have. We can't defend it. But the fact remains that Agent Kevin Wevodau did claim in a unsworn memo that Agent Claude Thomas indicated the Philadelphia sting was tainted by racial targeting.
Unlike the author of that "article" I don't think a unsworn memo dated 4 days after she claimed to have a nonexistent sworn affidavit is proof of anything except her dishonesty.
I'm obsessed with her lying about the affidavit and not contacting the State Ethics Commission because it shows blatant dishonesty about the case and a decision to kill any possible hits to her party/herself.
Think about it for a minute, if the SEC had moved on the evidence the case becomes public. Kane didn't want that.
Why would I, or anyone else, believe anything Kane said about the case after she was caught lying? If she had valid reasons why would she lie?
As for why it wasn't prosecuted under Kelly:
In a memo drafted by Fina, then the chief deputy in charge of Kelly’s criminal prosecutions section, Kelly was asked for a decision on what should come next.
The options included: filing charges against legislators that had accepted cash or gifts without properly reporting them; confronting “certain suspects” to see if they would help take the probe to a higher level; or even opening a fictitious business for Ali in Harrisburg to serve as “a platform for ongoing and more aggressive undercover operations into the legislative and lobbying community…
“This case is currently ripe for a decision on how to proceed,” Fina, at the time fresh off the conviction of serial pedophile Jerry Sandusky, wrote his boss.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/04/ali_case_files_answer_some_que.html
There's no evidence she ever replied. I'm guessing Fina was hoping to expand it and waited as long as he could.
@WeR0206 do you remember posting this "article" in another thread?
Is Judge Carpenter hiding Frank Fina behind his robes?
Kathleen Kane strikes back at Republican judge
Judge William Carpenter thought that he hit a home run with the indictment of the sitting Pa. Attorney General last week. A Republican nails a Democrat.
However, Carpenter is now behind the proverbial eight ball after Attorney General Kathleen Kane issued a statement on Wed. that alleged that the judge is allowing a prosecutor to hid behind those black robes.
Kane, who was indicted by a grand jury last week in Norristown, struck back this week, alleging that former state prosecutor Frank Fina is blocked from being disciplined and embarrassed even though he was the linchpin in a state pornography e-mail exchange on state time and on state computers.
The e-mails were not a legal problem, but an ethical one. This also occurred during the administration of sanctimonious Attorney General Tom Corbett, who has been embarrassed by it -- though he was apparently not aware of it.
At this time, a Pa. Supreme Court Justice has resigned, a member of the Pa. Board of Probation and Parole appointed by Corbett has stepped down, the Director of the Pa. Dept. of Conservation and Natural Resources has lost his job ... and more have been named in it were it not for union protections -- and Carpenter's decision -- that preclude such identification.
The "Philadelphia Inquirer" wrote that Kane "wanted to expose what she believed was an entrenched misogynistic culture in the Attorney General's office when Fina was the ranking prosecutor and before she took over." The paper did not identify its sources for the story.
However, Fina went to Carpenter last year and asked "for a ruling from [Carpenter] that barred her from releasing his name publicly in any fashion ..." Fina said that "Kane's office was using a threat to tying him to the sexually-explicit e-mails to intimidate and silence him and others," again from the Inquirer story.
The macho prosecutor is afraid of "intimidation" from the state's first female AG?
Carpenter, who has been supervising a grand jury investigation of Kane, has egg on his face re this case. He was forced to withdraw a subpoena that he had signed for Tribune-Review state capital correspondent Brad Bumstead. Pennsylvania has a strict shield law that prevents reporters from having to reveal their sources.
Carpenter was asked by the Tribune-Review attorney why he was withdrawing a subpoena that he had signed. "That's what I am going to try and figure out," he told the attorneys.
Clueless, Judge Carpenter?
A Duquesne University law professor went one step further. After hearing that Carpenter had added two justices to the Kane case to sit with him to avoid bias, Bruce Ledewitz said, "... maybe it would have been better if he had turned it over to an independent three-judge panel instead of him sitting on it." Sounds like an ethical problem. His statements were in the Tribune-Review.
What to make of all this?
First, Kane has a better chance in this case because of the judge's bias and ham-handedness;
Second, Kane will eventually be able to tie Fina to the e-mail fiasco because Carpenter is seemingly out of his league on this;
Third, Kane still has a tough case ahead of her and will be asked to resign again by Democrats. They do not want this case to be looming over the 2016 elections when they believe that Hillary Clinton will have a great chance to carry Pa. again (last time Repub. won was 1988) and have a great opportunity to knock off right-wing U.S. Senator Pat Toomey.
Stay tuned. This could be very interesting.
The ridiculous amount of misquotes in this "article" was amusing enough. After the latest piece of news it's downright hilarious.
"Carpenter is out of his league" LULZ
Is Judge Carpenter hiding Frank Fina behind his robes?
Kathleen Kane strikes back at Republican judge
Judge William Carpenter thought that he hit a home run with the indictment of the sitting Pa. Attorney General last week. A Republican nails a Democrat.
However, Carpenter is now behind the proverbial eight ball after Attorney General Kathleen Kane issued a statement on Wed. that alleged that the judge is allowing a prosecutor to hid behind those black robes.
Kane, who was indicted by a grand jury last week in Norristown, struck back this week, alleging that former state prosecutor Frank Fina is blocked from being disciplined and embarrassed even though he was the linchpin in a state pornography e-mail exchange on state time and on state computers.
The e-mails were not a legal problem, but an ethical one. This also occurred during the administration of sanctimonious Attorney General Tom Corbett, who has been embarrassed by it -- though he was apparently not aware of it.
At this time, a Pa. Supreme Court Justice has resigned, a member of the Pa. Board of Probation and Parole appointed by Corbett has stepped down, the Director of the Pa. Dept. of Conservation and Natural Resources has lost his job ... and more have been named in it were it not for union protections -- and Carpenter's decision -- that preclude such identification.
The "Philadelphia Inquirer" wrote that Kane "wanted to expose what she believed was an entrenched misogynistic culture in the Attorney General's office when Fina was the ranking prosecutor and before she took over." The paper did not identify its sources for the story.
However, Fina went to Carpenter last year and asked "for a ruling from [Carpenter] that barred her from releasing his name publicly in any fashion ..." Fina said that "Kane's office was using a threat to tying him to the sexually-explicit e-mails to intimidate and silence him and others," again from the Inquirer story.
The macho prosecutor is afraid of "intimidation" from the state's first female AG?
Carpenter, who has been supervising a grand jury investigation of Kane, has egg on his face re this case. He was forced to withdraw a subpoena that he had signed for Tribune-Review state capital correspondent Brad Bumstead. Pennsylvania has a strict shield law that prevents reporters from having to reveal their sources.
Carpenter was asked by the Tribune-Review attorney why he was withdrawing a subpoena that he had signed. "That's what I am going to try and figure out," he told the attorneys.
Clueless, Judge Carpenter?
A Duquesne University law professor went one step further. After hearing that Carpenter had added two justices to the Kane case to sit with him to avoid bias, Bruce Ledewitz said, "... maybe it would have been better if he had turned it over to an independent three-judge panel instead of him sitting on it." Sounds like an ethical problem. His statements were in the Tribune-Review.
What to make of all this?
First, Kane has a better chance in this case because of the judge's bias and ham-handedness;
Second, Kane will eventually be able to tie Fina to the e-mail fiasco because Carpenter is seemingly out of his league on this;
Third, Kane still has a tough case ahead of her and will be asked to resign again by Democrats. They do not want this case to be looming over the 2016 elections when they believe that Hillary Clinton will have a great chance to carry Pa. again (last time Repub. won was 1988) and have a great opportunity to knock off right-wing U.S. Senator Pat Toomey.
Stay tuned. This could be very interesting.
The ridiculous amount of misquotes in this "article" was amusing enough. After the latest piece of news it's downright hilarious.
"Carpenter is out of his league" LULZ
Your repeated use of the term "proven" and reference to supposedly "secret" SWIGJ Information is rather amusing given the topic of discussion. So when did Frank Fina hire you to act as a mouthpiece on public media sites??? Weird how it's only "okay" to leak "secret SWIGJ" information when it's done by, and favorable to, Frank Fina and Corbett's ex-hoard of flunkies. LMFAO. You have a funny definition of "proven" given the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights regarding "due process" coupled with a gerrymandered definition of SWIGJ secrecy rules. You're a real f'ing peach of a scumbag pal.
HAAA! So, instead of simply asking for a reply from Kelly or asking if he can go ahead and move the case forward....Fina, having all of this rock solid evidence, just sat around and twiddled his thumbs? Please! Again, if that's that best you could come up with to explain why the case went NOWHERE for 18 months then that's incredibly weak.
Oh wait, how's this for an idea, instead of wasting God knows how much time and tax payer money trying to get Ali setup with a fictitious business/complex sting operation to snare a few more minnows and MAYBE a big fish....how about Fina just, you know, prosecute the big fish (Ali) he ALREADY HAD DEAD TO RIGHTS?? Instead he gives the scumbag a complete pass and comes up with his ridiculous sting operation (which apparently mostly targeted black philly democrats..hmmm) which had NO guarantee of even working. IT MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE. Still waiting on an explanation on that one....
Where's your outrage over Kelly and Ryan not pursuing the blingsting case? According to you it sounds like Kelly was dragging her feet and poor old Fina had to stand on the sidelines watching even though he was eager to proceed via his "rock solid" evidence...yeah right...They had the tapes and Ali in their pocket for OVER A YEAR before Kane took office and did nothing with moving the case forward. hmmmmmm
As I said many times before I'm far from Kane's biggest fan and she has made many mistakes along the way but that doesn't excuse Fina for trying to play politics by dumping his dog crap case on her lap (and sandbagging the case via the nolle pros deal while he already had one foot out the door) then hypocritically trying to blame her in the press to playing politics when she decided the case was garbage due to fina's antics/bungling of the case before she even took office.
IF Kane did lie I have no idea why, perhaps she was getting desperate after getting schooled by fina at his own game (manipulating the press)?? Again, the bigger issue is Fina's busch league investigation and all the problems with it (the nolle pros. deal FINA signed with Ali, the majority of the sting targets were black democrats, etc.) and Fina inexplicably giving the big fish a COMPLETE PASS all to go after some minnows. Nothing you have pointed out or claimed addresses any of the above. You continue to AVOID and deflect from the main issue with the entire blingsting operation.
Regardless of the memo it's a FACT that the majority of the sting targets were black democrats...you keep conveniently ignoring this FACT and it's certainly something their defense teams would bring up in court, in addition to the undercover witness performing WORSE transgressions against the state and getting a complete pass for entrapping the philly 5. There's a reason why Kane and her predecessors wanted nothing to do with taking this case to court....it's because they would have been destroyed by any competent defense counsel.
The one that says?
Even Kane's harshest critics are aware Williams' crusade has noting to do with justice for small-time politicos and their petty grasping. Williams' feud with Kane stems from her exposure of Fina's appallingly shoddy work in the Jerry Sandusky investigation and his dissemination of smutty and offensive emails.
I cannot believe you posted that.
Don't you see that you just proved bjf right?
Why did you go off script? You might not get paid if they notice.
They can't fire Zwick. He's one of the last guys they have left.
The whole sting operation was handled in a "ham-handed" manner and reeks of "entrapment" which is why they have been able to get nothing but pleas to minor, BS charges. Come to think of it, the whole thing smacks of a ploy anticipating Kane would drop the charges so the corrupt ex-OAG Prosecutors could go on a PR campaign about how she was soft on corruption probably so they could launch into the same BS when she ultimately has to drop the charges on C/S/S, which she will inevitably have to do....
Then how the hell did Williams get them out of office?
The AG gave them a ready made defense but they just decided to end their careers?
Believe whatever you want, I don't have the energy to argue with someone that can't even admit a simple uncontested fact.
Frank Fina is the devil and everything that's happening to Kane is his fault. It's grand conspiracy to get that poor woman who stood up to the BOT and Corbett.
Fina used telepathy to make Kane fire someone who testified against her. Fina's even gotten to the state Supreme Court. What diabolical bastard.
IOW, you have nothing to counter any of the numerous points/questions that I brought up in my post. Thanks, that's what I thought.
It's not that complicated. Williams got them out of office because, being the scumbag that he is, he still OVER charged them with a bunch of B.S. knowing that instead of spending the time/money to fight the trumped up charges they would just plead down anyway....which is exactly what happened. The philly5 were at the end of their careers anyway so it didn't make much sense for them to get into a multi year legal battle when they could just plead out to a misdemeanor/COI charge. The ones that plead out didn't admit/plea to bribery, btw, which you continue to ignore and I don't even think they lost their pensions...oh the humanity!!
They plead to conflict of interest/slap on the wrist and even one of them ended up getting reduced jail time for an unrelated offense. Sounds like a good move if you ask me! I believe only one of them is taking it to court so we'll see how that plays out. Maybe Fina will even be able to get his buddy Ali to come in and testify...since...you know...he owes him BIG TIME and all....
I'm not sure who is worse, this guy or our resident "humanist" who basically thinks the tautology of a corrupt tyrant having all the power means that this makes it morally okay as a "humanist" because that party has the power and authority to do whatever they want which is better than a "power vacuum".....presumably his twisted pretzel-logic is some impossible to follow logic that says a tyrant is not immoral or "wrong" in the moral sense, because a tryant is better than anarchy and a "humanist tyrant" (human makes all the rules and decisions regarding the value of life including whether it is just commodity status) is morally better than a "power vacuum"??? And people wonder what emboldens and enables evil like Stalin or Hitler with morons like this running around who believe there is no such thing as actual absolute right and wrong....it's all a matter of subjective perspective. This clown is actually trying to argue that Saddam Hussein was "good for his people" and "good for the world at large"????? Talk about moral-relativism - it this is what being a "humanist" is all about, no wonder there is so few of the narcissistic cowards running around!
He got them out the one way that he could, since none of them were ever going to lose an election.
They had to be removed outside the election process.
I don't know it for a fact, but I'd bet that every one of them is still very popular with his/her constituency.
We'll see how that works with Ms. Kane.
We'll see how that works for Seth.
