Perjury charge against Curley was dropped

[Western PA]

Rather quietly last week, acording to PennLive.com.

What remains against C/S/S is ex-post facto crappola.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/jerry_sandusky_cover-up_charge.html#incart_river_home

 

[wensilver]

Since its PennLive - I saved you the click :

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Rather quietly last week, acording to PennLive.com.

What remains against C/S/S is ex-post facto crappola.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/jerry_sandusky_cover-up_charge.html#incart_river_home

I had not heard that - if so, that is interesting (NOT unexpected, but interesting) as the Perjury Charges against Curley and Schultz were the ONLY two of those charges that should have ever gotten past the "preliminary"
Those two charges at least had the "he said/she said" testimony of MM - - - - which could lead to a logical argument that the prosecution had put forward a "prima facia"

Obviously, would have needed a lot more to convict at trial

The others were laughable ("cry able"?) in their utter lack of even the slightest prima facia case being demonstrated


Kinda surprised I didn't hear that news earlier - but I am assuming the OP has the straight dope
As time has gone by, it was clear the original Prosecution was never interested in bringing these shit sandwiches to trial......and, more recently, Kane (through Castor) has made it clear that she didn't want the turd burger in her plate either

 

[tgar]

so, some Friday in August this all goes away? I would guess they would not want to bring attention to themselves during football season?

 

[jerseylion109]

Wow that's kinda big news

 

[wensilver]

Saved y'all another click on @PennLive

 

[marshall23]

Do the defendants have the auditor general on there witness list?

 

[PennSt8er]

Now these guys are being held over for felony counts of loitering, jay-walking, chewing gum in Singapore, and not washing their hands after peeing.

 

[PSU_1991]

Yeah, I just heard about this this morning. Funny how the media picks and chooses what they are going to report. I would consider this pretty big news.

 

[Diego Badman]

Saved y'all another click on @PennLive

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Can someone summarize what charges, exactly, are remaining against the three. I thought that this would close the book, but I must not have been paying attention. And, even if I did my own research, chances are I'd confuse myself anyway.

This whole process has left me with a frightened feeling about our judicial system in Pennsylvania. The Cynthia Baldwin aspect of this--the amount of time it took to make that decision--has left me with the undeniable view that sometimes "the law isn't the law."

 

[Langmuir]

Now these guys are being held over for felony counts of loitering, jay-walking, chewing gum in Singapore, and not washing their hands after peeing.

Chewing gum is legal in Singapore, it is just illegal to sell it there. Maybe the AG is going to argue that Curley intended to sell the old piece of Hubba Bubba in his suitcase.

 

[PSU_1991]

I think failure to report and endangering the welfare of a child are the remaining charges but someone correct me if I'm wrong. And, as others have stated, these are the ones that seemed to be the weakest.

 

[Nellie R]

Rather quietly last week, according to PennLive.com.

What remains against C/S/S is ex-post facto crappola.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/jerry_sandusky_cover-up_charge.html#incart_river_home

To quote Ryan Bagwell, "Way to bury the lede" Charlie Thompson and Penn-Jive! IIRC Superior Court Judge Bowes wrote in her opinion she would have dropped it then but it wasn't raised. Sounds like this happened in a conference?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

But didn't all the obvious Corrupt Corbutt trolls like mich-nitwit and GTACSA ask us over and over again, "what is your response going to be when it's proven in court that PSU senior administrators lied....blah, blah, blah"???? Sadly ROTFLMFAO - there latest laughable mantra, "what are we going to do when it is proven that JVP knew as early as 1971....blah, blah, blah".

A complete disgrace the way the Pensylvania Judiciary has permitted recTom Corbutt's corrupt OAG to prosecute this entire thing and tyrannize the PSU Community and abuse PSU's resources and assets for his own personal agendas including a completely ILLICIT and ILLEGITIMATE SWIGJ which circumvented the provisions of the governing Pennsylvania Code (and therefore both the Pennsylvania and Federal Constitutions) regarding V1's DPW submitted and adjudicated CSA Complaint and Investigation - the PA Child Protective Services Law! Utter disgrace the way the PA Judiciary has allowed innocent citizens be tyranizzed by Corrupt Corbutt & Friends and how shocking that the loudest defenders of the Corrupt Cabal - Corbutt, Louis Fact Freeh, the NCAA, the b1g Shiz-hole and the corrupted & controlled EC OF PSU BOT - are scumbag lawyers willing to do or say anything in defense of the corrupt despite the fact that the hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens are being tarred and feathered by these lying, corrupt, POS scumbags - go figure!?!?

 

[Nellie R]

I think failure to report and endangering the welfare of a child are the remaining charges but someone correct me if I'm wrong. And, as others have stated, these are the ones that seemed to be the weakest.

Which will quickly disappear since the FTR charge was based on an OAG retro-"S-T-R-E-T-C-H" that in 2007 when the law was changed, they should have remembered to report under the new law change. They DID report properly under the 2001 law. The endangering charge was based on this twisted version of FTR so should disappear as well.

 

[PSU_1991]

Which will quickly disappear since the FTR charge was based on an OAG retro-"S-T-R-E-T-C-H" that in 2007 when the law was changed, they should have remembered to report under the new law change. They DID report properly under the 2001 law. The endangering charge was based on this twisted version of FTR so should disappear as well.

Thanks. And I'm sure this will make front-page headlines when it happens.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Can someone summarize what charges, exactly, are remaining against the three. I thought that this would close the book, but I must not have been paying attention. And, even if I did my own research, chances are I'd confuse myself anyway.

This whole process has left me with a frightened feeling about our judicial system in Pennsylvania. The Cynthia Baldwin aspect of this--the amount of time it took to make that decision--has left me with the undeniable view that sometimes "the law isn't the law."

What about the SWIGJ which initiated all of the charges which was convened illegally by Corrupt, and now publicly disgraced, Corbutt (LE) & Feudale (Judiciary)??? SWIGJ's have NO SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION in regards to CPS Law, the governing and applicable PA Statute for V1's DPW Filed and Adjudicated CSA Complaint & Investigation. Not only that, but Corrupt Corbutt CLEARLY misplead the SWIGJ Apllication, failing to make the required pleading that it was RICO-related, but equally-corrupt, and Corbutt "partner in crime" on other SWIGJ abuses, Judge Barry Feudale approved the SWIGJ anyway?!?! Yes, you should be frightened, Pennsylvania has become "Modern Rome" - did you notice how "kids for cash" was also born of an unholy-alliance between LE and an equally-corrupt PA Judiciary???

 

[Ceasar]

Which will quickly disappear since the FTR charge was based on an OAG retro-"S-T-R-E-T-C-H" that in 2007 when the law was changed, they should have remembered to report under the new law change. They DID report properly under the 2001 law. The endangering charge was based on this twisted version of FTR so should disappear as well.

Agree with you Nellie. This is actually huge news as I think most knowledgeable people believed the perjury count was the only one they had any chance of a conviction on. Don't get me wrong, the perjury case was weak. But the AG at least had the ability to try to inflame a jury into convicting due to the heinous nature of Sandusky's actions.
But these remaining charges are not even an argument over the facts. Rather the law is pretty clear that even if everything MM said is true, the administrators were not mandated to report anything.
Just my .02 but these remaining charges will be dropped as quietly as possible by 1/19/17 at the latest (the last day of the Kane/Castor term). Castor is actually being a very good soldier in this by being the one to end this fiasco and the powers that be are going to owe him big time.

 

[Fayette_LION]

Which will quickly disappear since the FTR charge was based on an OAG retro-"S-T-R-E-T-C-H" that in 2007 when the law was changed, they should have remembered to report under the new law change. They DID report properly under the 2001 law. The endangering charge was based on this twisted version of FTR so should disappear as well.

WHOA Nellie! Are you saying these charges will also be dropped without anyone from the 2nd mile having to testify what they were told? It continues to amaze how insulated the 2nd mile is from this entire complete fiasco.

 

[bwifan]

Shocker... How many of us on here said expect some kind of news to be released late friday afternoon of Memorial day weekend about a month ago... Well we missed it by 24 hours.... The PA Judicial System is a complete mess and should be blown up and start all over again. What a disgrace.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

WHOA Nellie! Are you saying these charges will also be dropped without anyone from the 2nd mile having to testify what they were told? It continues to amaze how insulated the 2nd mile is from this entire complete fiasco.

Well that's what happens when the Judiciary allows a corrupt OAG turned Gov run a Roman-Style political protection and graft scheme to the severe detriment of the citizens rights and properties!

 

[joeparules]

I cannot WAIT for the remaining charges to be dropped and the "gag order" lifted from these three. That is the OGBOT's, NCAA's, Freeh's and Corbutt's biggest nightmare!

At that point there will be no charges against anyone at PSU, no PSU campus related convictions on JS (correct me if I'm wrong), Freeh admitting his report was opinion and zero evidence that JVP tried to cover up anything (thanks Frank Fina). Now why were there sanctions and a statue removed?

I seriously hope Louis, OTT, Marky and the Fun Bunch (OGBOTs) are all shiatting their pants!!

 

[Obliviax]

LOL...weren't there people posting, just last week, that they don't understand why C/S&S aren't just rolling over and let themselves be tried for these charges???

WINNING!

 

[lionlurker]

So where are the BOT shills today?

 

[Marshall30]

So where are the BOT shills today?

On Penn Live and CDT.

 

[Nellie R]

WHOA Nellie! Are you saying these charges will also be dropped without anyone from the 2nd mile having to testify what they were told? It continues to amaze how insulated the 2nd mile is from this entire complete fiasco.

No, I did not say that, however I think the OAG has had enough to press such charges against TSM officials for quite some time.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So where are the BOT shills today?

Honestly, I think they are shills & servile lackies of Corrupt Corbutt and the corrupt GOP Junta that brought Corbutt to power more so than the PSU EC of the BOT....it just so happens that PSU's EC of BOT are part of the servile GOP Junta "Corrupion Network" via direct "State Actor" appointment or a Corbutt-controlled appointment once he became Gov and became the first Gov in over 100 years to actually sit on the PSU Board - go figure, that would give him the best vantage point to exert his brand of threatening control over the body.

 

[Nellie R]

Thanks. And I'm sure this will make front-page headlines when it happens.

As long as the clueless MSM keeps going to Penn-Jive for their "breaking news" on anything Sandusky-related the real news is doomed. Someone with integrity in the news media needs to stop following their false "leads". AP is the organization who needs to take that step. Pronto.

 

[nits74]

As long as the clueless MSM keeps going to Penn-Jive for their "breaking news" on anything Sandusky-related the real news is doomed. Someone with integrity in the news media needs to stop following their false "leads". AP is the organization who needs to take that step. Pronto.

What a country, what a country.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I think failure to report and endangering the welfare of a child are the remaining charges but someone correct me if I'm wrong. And, as others have stated, these are the ones that seemed to be the weakest.

This is correct.

Failure to report has no chance of winning for two reasons:

1) It would have to be proved that they did not report it, which I have heard from multiple sources that there is evidence to the contrary. At a minimum, it is very difficult to prove a negative, especially when reports that do not result in charges are not retained.

2) The OAG is arguing that even though they were not mandated reporters in 2001, when the law changed in 2007 the committed a crime by not reported it then. This is both ex post facto (which is un-Constitutional) and really warped logic that I cannot imagine a judge would allow.

Even if FTR somehow does stick, this is a summary offense (i.e. not even a misdemeanor). The only impact of a guilty finding on these charges would be in terms of public opinion/PR.

Endangering is a more serious charge, but the hurdle for OAG here is that they have to show that the children that were endangered with "in the care of" C/S/S. I have no idea how that argument could possibly fly, given that these children were certainly NOT under the care of C/S/S.

[Edited for minor typo]

 

[marshall23]

"Someone with integrity in the MSM" isn't that an oxymoron? Be first, be seen and heard and be sensational. Those are the only prerequisites for "journalists" today.
I sincerely hope these three gentlemen refuse to bargain their ability to speak freely about this injustice in exchange for the charges being dropped. Bring in Harmon, Courtney and the Auditor General. CPS in The Commonwealth is as worthless as the justice system is corrupt.

 

[BobPSU92]

This whole thing against Curley, Schultz, and Spanier would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. To Barry's point, it is more cry-able than laughable.

 

[LundyPSU]

Perjury charges were always ridiculous.

 

[marshall23]

We had many post here that OAG had "loads" of evidence against GS2-TC. I am anxious to hear?

 

[marshall23]

Perjury charges were always ridiculous.

In most instances 0% chance of conviction under these circumstances. But this is PA.

 

[delcoLion]

Rather quietly last week, acording to PennLive.com.

What remains against C/S/S is ex-post facto crappola.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/jerry_sandusky_cover-up_charge.html#incart_river_home

You know, I'm PO'd. I surf around some other Rivals sites, see the vitriol spewed at PSU, Joe Paterno, the football program. I see the usual suspects here touting the BoT line. The local media never corrects itself (last week, the concussion lawsuit was the latest media fumble). It never ends.

And yet, I have not seen one scintilla of evidence in a court of law or the public domain that indicates that JVP was guilty of *anything*; that there is no evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy to coverup Sandusky's crimes; or anything else to indicate that this whole catastrophe was nothing other than a tragic mistake on the part of the administrators who got caught up in the frenzy of the revelations.

50 years of following PSU football, as a fan, then student, then alum and all I feel right now is disgust at the BoT, Corbett, and the judicial system. The only positive thought is that Sandusky will rot away in prison.

What a waste.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

This whole thing against Curley, Schultz, and Spanier would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. To Barry's point, it is more cry-able than laughable.

Given the potential for the corrupt to tyrannize whoever they so choose and target, I would say "frightening" is a more apt word than "cry-able" if you are a citizen of Modern Rome (e.g., Pennsylvania).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You know, I'm PO'd. I surf around some other Rivals sites, see the vitriol spewed at PSU, Joe Paterno, the football program. I see the usual suspects here touting the BoT line. The local media never corrects itself (last week, the concussion lawsuit was the latest media fumble). It never ends.

And yet, I have not seen one scintilla of evidence in a court of law or the public domain that indicates that JVP was guilty of *anything*; that there is no evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy to coverup Sandusky's crimes; or anything else to indicate that this whole catastrophe was nothing other than a tragic mistake on the part of the administrators who got caught up in the frenzy of the revelations.

50 years of following PSU football, as a fan, then student, then alum and all I feel right now is disgust at the BoT, Corbett, and the judicial system. The only positive thought is that Sandusky will rot away in prison.

What a waste.

Caught up in a mistake? Corrupt Corbutt's ILLEGITIMATE and ILLICIT SWIGJ which had no subject-matter jurisdiction (and was mis-plead to boot) in regards to the seminal DPW Filed & Adjucicated CSA Complaint (that of V1, Aaron Fisher) was no "mistake" my friend!!! It targeted all of these people ILLEGALLY and in VIOLATION of their INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS guaranteed by the Federal Constitution!!!

 

[wensilver]

Agree with you Nellie. This is actually huge news as I think most knowledgeable people believed the perjury count was the only one they had any chance of a conviction on. Don't get me wrong, the perjury case was weak. But the AG at least had the ability to try to inflame a jury into convicting due to the heinous nature of Sandusky's actions.
But these remaining charges are not even an argument over the facts. Rather the law is pretty clear that even if everything MM said is true, the administrators were not mandated to report anything.
Just my .02 but these remaining charges will be dropped as quietly as possible by 1/19/17 at the latest (the last day of the Kane/Castor term). Castor is actually being a very good soldier in this by being the one to end this fiasco and the powers that be are going to owe him big time.

It's serendipitous that Castor - whom McGettigan flew the "Baldwin strategy" past way back when - and advised them NOT to do it - now has this come full circle back to him to deal with.

This remaining crap will be on MontCo commish Josh Shapiro's doorstep come November if it's not cleaned up. I think we can all safely say he'll be our next AG.

Same goes for MontCo DA Kevin Steele - who wears the PSAA prez hat - who also has this parked on his doorstep flaming away.

Beemer will have to eat this shit sandwich that Fina slapped together.

Castor knows full well if Fina & Corbett had only properly investigated & charged Sandusky and key Second Mile principals and left Penn State alone - everyone in public office would have won.

We now know the price of a botched political assassination by Tom Corbett is half a billion dollars and half a million people.

As a commonwealth citizen I'd love to see him charged.

 

[lionlurker]

Seems to me we should all be flooding the PG and Inquirer editors with emails about the fact that they haven't even bothered to note this rather significant development.