Phils might be in the race...

[PSUriseANDfire]

This is one of the worst teams ever assembled. There is a few guys who have potential and a potential star in Franco. The minors aren't bad but this team that is playing major league baseball is borderline close to the talent Reading has. About to go to 7-27 on the road while averaging less than 2.6 runs. This is incredible.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Sandberg is a worthless manager. He needed to have defended Franco multiple times tonight.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Who was it on this board who was at spring training with the Phillies and came back and posted about it here? I apologize, I forget who it was but they gave a pretty good assessment. I believe one of the things the person wrote here was that he expected them to be competitive about once every five games. Well I went down to see them in May when they were hot and won 6 in a row against the other back-markers in the league and since then, after tonight they will be 5-20 since that little win streak, so good job to whoever was doing the spring training recon.

Getting shut out again tonight after having scored 3 runs in 32 inn at Pittsburgh. They are a complete pus case.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Sandberg is a worthless manager. He needed to have defended Franco multiple times tonight.

I fully expect them to trade Franco for three guys who suck.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

I fully expect them to trade Franco for three guys who suck.

Nah not for 5 or 6 six years. He is held in a bargain for a long time.

I remember the post you are talking about. Can't recall who either cause I don't think they post much. I predicted 64 wins. I think I overshot my target.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Shut out again. Three of the last four. This isn't just your normal kind of terrible.

 

[dawgduice]

I expect they will get value for Hamels (at least 2 top prospects AAA), Pepelbon ( a AA guy or a younger "project" pitcher), Howard (a AA guy). Other than that they have no others they can trade.
Their minor league is improved and I expect to see some of them later this year. I also expect the "youngsters" to form most of the team next year. After a season with the younger guys the Phils will dive into the free agent market. One thing they have is money (tv and tax money). Especially as the BIG contracts expire. The pain is this year and at least next year, probably a third one before being competitive.

 

[Relayer]

The Phils starting pitchers have not won a game in their last 20 starts. They are a combined 0-12 during that stretch. Then again, scoring 3 runs 45 innings doesn't help.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Who was it on this board who was at spring training with the Phillies and came back and posted about it here? I apologize, I forget who it was but they gave a pretty good assessment. I believe one of the things the person wrote here was that he expected them to be competitive about once every five games. Well I went down to see them in May when they were hot and won 6 in a row against the other back-markers in the league and since then, after tonight they will be 5-20 since that little win streak, so good job to whoever was doing the spring training recon.

Getting shut out again tonight after having scored 3 runs in 32 inn at Pittsburgh. They are a complete pus case.

I think it may have been Drunkandproud - he knows his baseball and the Phils.

 

[Nittanyplayer#12]

Sandberg is a worthless manager. He needed to have defended Franco multiple times tonight.

Wouldn't say he's worthless. He's managing a poor team that Amaro conjured up. The last three years he signed less than average pitches. Sandberg needs a hitting team but Howard is dead weight on them with his pay.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Wouldn't say he's worthless. He's managing a poor team that Amaro conjured up. The last three years he signed less than average pitches. Sandberg needs a hitting team but Howard is dead weight on them with his pay.

I was just angry and yeah there is no manager that is making this better. Sometimes you do have to stick up for your players though. Franco was obviously about ready to blow up after his first AB. Then he kept getting screwed, it was unreal. He didn't need to pull a Lou Piniella or Lloyd McClendon but he needed to stand up for his team that was being screwed all night.

 

[Nittany Security]

How long until Amaro is fired. Time to blow this mess up.

 

[Cletus11]

Once Hamels and Papelboner are gone in a few weeks, this time is going to get really bad, that is the scary thing. They could be pushing for one of the worst records and worst teams of all time. Sandberg is a dead man walking and he knows it, last night was a disgrace for him not going out and getting tossed for Franco.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Once Hamels and Papelboner are gone in a few weeks, this time is going to get really bad, that is the scary thing. They could be pushing for one of the worst records and worst teams of all time. Sandberg is a dead man walking and he knows it, last night was a disgrace for him not going out and getting tossed for Franco.

I was stunned. Not only did he not defend him he seemed like he was taking him down too. I could tell when Giles acted the way he did the other day that this is going to get even uglier. I really think Sandberg is clueless and it is why even the Cubs passed on him. But what he did yesterday was just completely wrong. You have a kid that was on tilt after the first at bat and because basically he was screwed out of his at bat, then it continues and gets even worse. I thought Bowa was going to be the one to do something at some point. Sandberg will never have another managing job again after this.

 

[bmw199]

I was stunned. Not only did he not defend him he seemed like he was taking him down too. I could tell when Giles acted the way he did the other day that this is going to get even uglier. I really think Sandberg is clueless and it is why even the Cubs passed on him. But what he did yesterday was just completely wrong. You have a kid that was on tilt after the first at bat and because basically he was screwed out of his at bat, then it continues and gets even worse. I thought Bowa was going to be the one to do something at some point. Sandberg will never have another managing job again after this.

I actually hope they make Bowa the manager again. He is substantially more calm than his first go round when he clashed with the former young stars. Plus the time he spent with Torre really helped

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

I actually hope they make Bowa the manager again. He is substantially more calm than his first go round when he clashed with the former young stars. Plus the time he spent with Torre really helped

I really wouldn't mind that at all. He actually did help mold what the team eventually became in the big run even though he was basically a lunatic back then. The team he took over was expected to win about 65 games.

I think most of the players look to him already anyway. It's also amazing how much calmer he seems now too, you are right. I just wonder if it's because he isn't in the boss position. He still does get that fire in him and you can see it in him but I don't think he wanted to make Sandberg look even worse, but that crazy fire from a manager is much better thing than having a coach that does nothing while the team is being screwed from the the first at bat.

 

[Judge Smails]

Once Hamels and Papelboner are gone in a few weeks, this time is going to get really bad, that is the scary thing. They could be pushing for one of the worst records and worst teams of all time. Sandberg is a dead man walking and he knows it, last night was a disgrace for him not going out and getting tossed for Franco.

I'm not in Philly, but from afar, what I can't understand is all the shiat that Hinkie gets, both local and national, about INTENTIONALLY bottoming a team out to get top draft picks....and the relative silence locally and nationally about Amaro who has bottomed out UNINTENTIONALLY. It makes no sense to me. It's better to be incompetent?

Hinkie has done the smart thing, and with some luck (and Embiid's health), I think they are going to be good. #3 Pick this year, Saric stashed in Europe, 4 number one picks next year, something like 20+ 2nd round picks over the next half decade or so.

Phillies are awful and don't look to be better for a long time.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

I actually like what Hinkie is doing also but Embiid is a big question again. It's easier to fix a basketball team too than the decimated roster that Amaro assembled. I can understand a down year because there is a lot of parity now even in baseball but this team isn't just bad, they are historically bad possibly. Sucks.

 

[fairgambit]

"Phils" might be in the race? Wow. There are certainly lots of Presidential candidates. Will "Phils" be running as a Democrat or Republican?

 

[zwick99]

I'm not in Philly, but from afar, what I can't understand is all the shiat that Hinkie gets, both local and national, about INTENTIONALLY bottoming a team out to get top draft picks....and the relative silence locally and nationally about Amaro who has bottomed out UNINTENTIONALLY. It makes no sense to me. It's better to be incompetent?

Hinkie has done the smart thing, and with some luck (and Embiid's health), I think they are going to be good. #3 Pick this year, Saric stashed in Europe, 4 number one picks next year, something like 20+ 2nd round picks over the next half decade or so.

Phillies are awful and don't look to be better for a long time.

There are dozens of Amaros. Billy King is just as bad. The 76ers had one good season from1990-2015. The 2001 team was built around Iverson who happened to be a #1 pick too. I think it was Brad Greenberg actually drafted Iverson. Once Billy King took over he was the king of overpaid stiffs with guaranteed deals. He is running the nets into the toilet.

 

[zwick99]

I actually hope they make Bowa the manager again. He is substantially more calm than his first go round when he clashed with the former young stars. Plus the time he spent with Torre really helped

Bowa is a horrible manager. He made his bed. No thanks.

 

[zwick99]

Once Hamels and Papelboner are gone in a few weeks, this time is going to get really bad, that is the scary thing. They could be pushing for one of the worst records and worst teams of all time. Sandberg is a dead man walking and he knows it, last night was a disgrace for him not going out and getting tossed for Franco.

How long until Amaro is fired. Time to blow this mess up.

Never. HE will have a job for life just like the other 7 GMs and Managers still on the payroll.

 

[zwick99]

I was just angry and yeah there is no manager that is making this better. Sometimes you do have to stick up for your players though. Franco was obviously about ready to blow up after his first AB. Then he kept getting screwed, it was unreal. He didn't need to pull a Lou Piniella or Lloyd McClendon but he needed to stand up for his team that was being screwed all night.

Which manager is going to make chicken soup out of chicken chit?

 

[bmw199]

Never. HE will have a job for life just like the other 7 GMs and Managers still on the payroll.

I think Gillick is making every decision anyway at this point. He is Reuben's boss again

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

I think Gillick is making every decision anyway at this point. He is Reuben's boss again

Yeah Amaro will get an admin job next year and I think he actually is good at certain areas there. Gillick is definitely in control or there might have been round 2 of signing ancient one year rentals to try and save the GM job.

 

[zwick99]

I think Gillick is making every decision anyway at this point. He is Reuben's boss again

What was Gillick doing the last 4 years? Who had final say and who got fired? Notice how the lowest guy in the front office was the only guy that got fired?

 

[bmw199]

What was Gillick doing the last 4 years? Who had final say and who got fired? Notice how the lowest guy in the front office was the only guy that got fired?

Montgomery retired as team president, and enforcer for the owners, because of health issues. Gillick was retired as GM and working as a consultant for a few teams. He was hired back to be team President when Montgomery left

 

[Howie'81]

Who was it on this board who was at spring training with the Phillies and came back and posted about it here? I apologize, I forget who it was but they gave a pretty good assessment. I believe one of the things the person wrote here was that he expected them to be competitive about once every five games. Well I went down to see them in May when they were hot and won 6 in a row against the other back-markers in the league and since then, after tonight they will be 5-20 since that little win streak, so good job to whoever was doing the spring training recon.

Getting shut out again tonight after having scored 3 runs in 32 inn at Pittsburgh. They are a complete pus case.

All you Phillies fans need to leave the dark side and pull for the Mets. THEY are the up and coming team in the NL East.

 

[zwick99]

Montgomery retired as team president, and enforcer for the owners, because of health issues. Gillick was retired as GM and working as a consultant for a few teams. He was hired back to be team President when Montgomery left

Montgomery is not an enforcer. He is a high priced gofor who was given too much power.

Gillick was collecting a Phillies check. I like how all these clowns take credit for all the good moves and NONE of them take credit for the bad moves but they still cash the consulting checks.

They ALL need to go. THey can't even decide who is making decisions.

 

[bmw199]

Montgomery is not an enforcer. He is a high priced gofor who was given too much power.

Gillick was collecting a Phillies check. I like how all these clowns take credit for all the good moves and NONE of them take credit for the bad moves but they still cash the consulting checks.

They ALL need to go. THey can't even decide who is making decisions.

You seem to be the only one who cant decide who was making decisions. Gillick won the 2008 WS with his moves. I'd take him over anyone in baseball not named Epstein.

 

[zwick99]

You seem to be the only one who cant decide who was making decisions. Gillick won the 2008 WS with his moves. I'd take him over anyone in baseball not named Epstein.

That is right. HE then retired as GM and took a PAID position with the Phillies. Tell me what he did for that money! I guess he did NOTHING other than collect a check the last 7 years. He should be fired. He wants to retire. Let him retire. No need to pay a guy to sit on the beach and not make decisions.

Amaro: He was the GM the last 7 years. Either he made the decisions or he was a puppet. He needs to be fired for either making bad decisions or not having the balls to make good decisions.


Monty: He needs to be fired. According to all the Amaro apologists it was MOnty pulling the strings.

I am pretty consistent on my position. Fire them ALL. You on the other hand are an apologist. They all made all the decisions up until 2008 and the last 7 years nobody knows nothin. They all collected paychecks but nobody is accountable. Your plan is to keep everyone. Their plan is to keep everyone except the guy at the bottom who nobody ever heard of until he was fired last year.

Since MOnty is retired and Gillick wants to retire AGAIN, then you should not mind sending them both packing.

PS. If Monty is retired then can you explain why MOnty is talking to Andy McPhail to be the new President?

 

[zwick99]

You seem to be the only one who cant decide who was making decisions. Gillick won the 2008 WS with his moves. I'd take him over anyone in baseball not named Epstein.

You had him the last 7 years. He was collecting a paycheck and on board with the decisions made by the Phillies.

You might as well hire Branch Rickey's corpse to run the team. Gillick does not have his heart in it.

 

[bmw199]

That is right. HE then retired as GM and took a PAID position with the Phillies. Tell me what he did for that money! I guess he did NOTHING other than collect a check the last 7 years. He should be fired. He wants to retire. Let him retire. No need to pay a guy to sit on the beach and not make decisions.

Amaro: He was the GM the last 7 years. Either he made the decisions or he was a puppet. He needs to be fired for either making bad decisions or not having the balls to make good decisions.


Monty: He needs to be fired. According to all the Amaro apologists it was MOnty pulling the strings.

I am pretty consistent on my position. Fire them ALL. You on the other hand are an apologist. They all made all the decisions up until 2008 and the last 7 years nobody knows nothin. They all collected paychecks but nobody is accountable. Your plan is to keep everyone. Their plan is to keep everyone except the guy at the bottom who nobody ever heard of until he was fired last year.

Since MOnty is retired and Gillick wants to retire AGAIN, then you should not mind sending them both packing.

PS. If Monty is retired then can you explain why MOnty is talking to Andy McPhail to be the new President?

I'm fine with firing Reuben. Gillick should be there as long as he wants. As far as I know he wasn't making decisions during his time away.

 

[zwick99]

I'm fine with firing Reuben. Gillick should be there as long as he wants. As far as I know he wasn't making decisions during his time away.

Gillick was there the last 7 years. Enuff said. He wants to retire. Make it official.

If JOe was alive would you want him to be the coach?


You want to make Bowa the coach and keep Gillick as long as he wants. Do you want them to sign Schmidt to play third?

 

[Cletus11]

I agree that Gillick is not going to rebuild this team, he is too old. Phils are rotten from within. The organization that Montegomery and Amaro built up is bad from the front office on down and needs a complete housecleaning. Only way Phils sniff being a playoff team in the next 5 years is either complete luck (ie….they fall into a much higher majority than normal of draft picks turning out to be legit MLB players) or they go out and pay money for a quality GM and President that is told to clean house and bring in their own staffs.

And anybody that thinks the Sixers Hinke is doing a good job is crazy. Guy has the worst team in the NBA two years running and most likely will be as bad a third year is not doing anything. Literally anybody with a shred of BBall knowledge could do what Hinke did, which is essentially trade everybody on the roster for 2nd round picks. Then draft a player in the 1st round and turn around and trade him a year later (MCW) and then draft two top ten picks that both most likely will not even play on your team for two years (Embid and the Euro). I could have done that and could have done better. And by the way, tell me how Embid and Noel are going to play on the floor at the same time in the modern NBA game, isn't going to happen.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

All you Phillies fans need to leave the dark side and pull for the Mets.

Heh. You're clever.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Hey, 3 runs tonight! Problem is the Orioles have scored a few hundred with 70 homeruns. I think when Francoeur is pitching I am sticking with the NBA Finals. What a disaster.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

This game is setting baseball back 100 years. The RF is pitching and it's the 8th. And he's 45 deep in the pitch count.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Chase Utley just completely flipped out at McClure on the mound. I never thought I'd see that. This is turning into a mutiny and doing that to Francoeur was wrong. I agree with Utley.

 

[bmw199]

Ok so how can Sandberg possibly be their manager tomorrow night. This is incredibly embarrassing.