POLL: Move Sandusky Threads to Test Board?

[LaJolla Lion]

No, the threads would still exist - just not in everyone's face on this board. Or, like Art suggested, have items related to JS and his trial and all that stuff separate from BOT/Sanctions/Freeh/Paterno lawsuit stuff.

The only issue is this site is barely moderated. Merging the threads into one place is great, but the level of OCD on this topic

I sympathize with some of the sentiments expressed in this thread.

With JS, it appears that between his court appearance, his writing letters with some TV reporter, the CDT having an interview with Dottie, etc. that there has been a flurry of activity concerning JS. My preference would be for folks to not start a new thread for each article. While I can merge them, I find that if I do so when the posts have gotten somewhat large, that they are very confusing to read after the merger. So it's a damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

Within the JS threads, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with a few posters that go way overboard in their responses. It's unnecessary. I end up having to choose between deleting the entire thread because of such posts, deleting the offensive posts, or editing the offensive posts. The 2nd and 3rd actions take a lot of time and effort on my part. The 1st action is the easiest to follow, but I hesitate to throw out an entire thread when only part of it is offensive.

There is no simple answer in this situation. That said, I'm not inclined to move JS posts to the Test Board.

I would also like to think if people don't want to hear anyone elses opinions...don't call those posters out for no reason at all if they have not entered the conversation. You can't cry foul all of the time when the same few people start the threads and then invite the hostility.

 

[michnittlion]

A compromise: any Jerry Sandusky topics, if they stay here, should be clearly labeled OT (off topic).

Threads concerning JoePa, the Freeh Report, the NCAA, sanctions, et cetera ...... those are topics that are relevant to Penn State and Penn State football.

But the appeals and tribulations of a 45-times-over convicted pedophile, a man who got his day in court and was found guilty by his peers?

Sandusky has the right to appeal of course, but others should understand that's a topic which --- to be frank --- makes many BWI board regulars nauseous.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

It's got nothing to do with the number of mods or the new format.

Since the scandal, Tom has allowed multiple topics on the board about the scandal. Since the inception of the board, there have always been multiple threads per ANY topic--it's just the way things have been run.

I voted to move them to a separate, but it's pissing into the wind. I don't agree with the notion that this is a football or PSU-only board. I just hate seeing the same crap from the same people, and rehashings of rehashings.

In other words, you see a need to "move on" - nobody is "moving on" and letting your corrupt turd friends hijack our Great University whinny boy.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I'm surprised everyone's panties are in a bunch about Sandusky threads.

They're easy to ignore, relatively speaking.

I'd rather have a moratorium on Pitt threads and posters who only post about Pitt.

Think of it this way: One topic is relevant to PSU, and one isn't.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

A compromise: any Jerry Sandusky topics, if they stay here, should be clearly labeled OT (off topic).

Threads concerning JoePa, the Freeh Report, the NCAA, sanctions, et cetera ...... those are topics that are relevant to Penn State and Penn State football.

But the appeals and tribulations of a 45-times-over convicted pedophile, a man who got his day in court and was found guilty by his peers?

Sandusky has the right to appeal of course, but others should understand that's a topic which --- to be frank --- makes many BWI board regulars nauseous.

Go figure, mich_DB king of the corrupt boot-lickers wants the posts moved - go figure. Gee, I wonder if GTACSA, eeeerrrrr..........Crud66 wants to "move on", eeeerrrrr.....I mean move the threads to? Things that make you go hhhhhmmmm!?!?

 

[Art]

Where does 'Joe should have done this...' fit?

As I suggested, the litmus test is simple. threads that discuss whether Jerry is guilty and/or got a fair trial go to the Test Board. Once the courts decide on the latter, it may be appropriate for threads on that matter to return.

 

[psu00]

Lubrano's stuff is related mostly to Freeh/BOT/Sanctions, right? That would be separate from JS IMO.

True. I may have misinterpreted your meaning in the OP. I assumed you meant all of that as 'Sandusky related stuff' and lumped it into 1 category.

I have no problem with discussing sanctions, Freeh, BoT and think that should stay. I do have a problem with some of the Sandusky specific stuff- like the handful fixated on if he gets a new trial, what letter he sent to some tv station, who met him in jail, what Dottie did/ said, etc. Generally, those are their own threads and I ignore them.

For me, it's the internal hijacking of threads that is a problem. Lubrano posted 4 (IIRC) very good emails in his thread that I hadn't seen before regarding the BoT and they are getting very little discussion because the thread was hijacked for the 500th "discussion" (i.e. fight) on MM's testimony.

Anyway, (before I hijack your thread)........... can I change my vote to the original post now?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

I sympathize with some of the sentiments expressed in this thread.

With JS, it appears that between his court appearance, his writing letters with some TV reporter, the CDT having an interview with Dottie, etc. that there has been a flurry of activity concerning JS. My preference would be for folks to not start a new thread for each article. While I can merge them, I find that if I do so when the posts have gotten somewhat large, that they are very confusing to read after the merger. So it's a damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

Within the JS threads, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with a few posters that go way overboard in their responses. It's unnecessary. I end up having to choose between deleting the entire thread because of such posts, deleting the offensive posts, or editing the offensive posts. The 2nd and 3rd actions take a lot of time and effort on my part. The 1st action is the easiest to follow, but I hesitate to throw out an entire thread when only part of it is offensive.

There is no simple answer in this situation. That said, I'm not inclined to move JS posts to the Test Board.

I think I agree with you Tom.

The Sandusky updates should stay on this Board and not merged into one thread. When everything gets merged into one thread, and you have 9,000 pages of posts, it gets next to impossible to keep up with the conversation if you actually work for a living. Some very important and valuable info gets lost in the shuffle.

If I had something valuable and new to add, I would rather start a new thread and discuss that particular topic than waste my time having it lost in a 9,000 page thread where only the guy that posted before me and the guy that posted after me would see it. I must commend you Tom for allowing us to discuss this topic with as many potential points of view and as much potential reader traffic as possible. Thanks!

 

[Hotshoe]

I know for a FACT that since BWI launched it's new format, there are fewer moderators. Tom is a busy guy and isn't on this board as much as everyone thinks.

I believe they are looking into adding some moderators.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

In other words, you see a need to "move on" - nobody is "moving on" and letting your corrupt turd friends hijack our Great University whinny boy.

^^^Example of a poster who adds nothing to the board yet for some mysterious reason is allowed to continue to post.^^^

 

[Art]

Really? How's that given that the INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ Presentment "False Narrative" bait-and-switch routine shifting responsibility from TSM & their dual State Regulators, DPW and the OAG, onto PSU was used as the "ways and means" to conduct both the tyrannous and unjust public lynching and the FRAUDULENT FOIL used to provide a cover and a cover-up for TSM, the State Agencies and the politically, morally-bankrupt scum that perpetrated it???

So you're saying that Jerry was railroaded in order to get at Penn State? You're gonna need more layers of tin foil.

 

[LemonEars]

I'm surprised everyone's panties are in a bunch about Sandusky threads.

They're easy to ignore, relatively speaking.

I'd rather have a moratorium on Pitt threads and posters who only post about Pitt.

Think of it this way: One topic is relevant to PSU, and one isn't.

I disagree. We play pitt in football and other sports. They are relevant to this board. If we have a moratorium on pitt threads, shouldn't we then have a moratorium on Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, etc. threads?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Lubrano's stuff is related mostly to Freeh/BOT/Sanctions, right? That would be separate from JS IMO.

Really? Everything you mentioned is intertwined with the FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ which was used to firmly establish the "False Narrative" and the "cover" and "Foil" for the corrupt.via a planned National Broadcast and Sideshow Carnival atmosphere. But according to you it has nothing to do with the INTENTIONALLY FALSE accusations repeated in the Louis Fact Freeh Report??? Rrrrrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhtttttttt,

 

[BBrown]

Go figure, mich_DB king of the corrupt boot-lickers wants the posts moved - go figure. Gee, I wonder if GTACSA, eeeerrrrr..........Crud66 wants to "move on", eeeerrrrr.....I mean move the threads to? Things that make you go hhhhhmmmm!?!?

I dont think that is the same Mich. poster. there are a couple that have that same Mich. in their name.
At least I hope not because if it is I may have to re-think my position on the topic.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I disagree. We play pitt in football and other sports. They are relevant to this board. If we have a moratorium on pitt threads, shouldn't we then have a moratorium on Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, etc. threads?

I disagree that Pitt is relevant to Penn State now, or ever. It's like playing Rutgers. If you beat them, it's not a big deal because you should beat them. If you lose or it's close, it's still bad.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Really? Everything you mentioned is intertwined with the FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ which was used to firmly establish the "False Narrative" and the "cover" and "Foil" for the corrupt.via a planned National Broadcast and Sideshow Carnival atmosphere. But according to you it has nothing to do with the INTENTIONALLY FALSE accusations repeated in the Louis Fact Freeh Report??? Rrrrrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhtttttttt,

You are an absolute, complete, and total retard.

The 'tard of all 'tards.

 

[mdking001]

What about creating a new board for all things Sandusky vs test board? That way the normal sports and GQ/Dear Abby/Movie reviews are not jumbled with all the court cases, petitions, quotes from Jerry's wife, etc. that I personally could care less about.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I disagree that Pitt is relevant to Penn State now, or ever. It's like playing Rutgers. If you beat them, it's not a big deal because you should beat them. If you lose or it's close, it's still bad.

At least Pitt is back on the schedule.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So you're saying that Jerry was railroaded in order to get at Penn State? You're gonna need more layers of tin foil.

Nice try, where did I say that Jerry wouldn't be found guilty even in a fair trial with a proper vetting of the FACTS, not the State's made-up bull$hit INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment". I am saying the State INTENTIONALLY RAILROADED PSU and maliciously prosecuted 3 PSU Employees and threw PSU Football under the bus via their FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ to do it, but perhaps that's too much cognitive reasoning to ask for from a pea-sized brain.

 

[pandaczar12]

I'm surprised everyone's panties are in a bunch about Sandusky threads.

They're easy to ignore, relatively speaking.

I'd rather have a moratorium on Pitt threads and posters who only post about Pitt.

Think of it this way: One topic is relevant to PSU, and one isn't.

I agree 100%, if you don't want to read it, just ignore it. The real problem is that some people feel the need to repeat their point of view over and over. We all know where you stand, you aren't changing anyone's minds, so just give it up. It's like Pitt fans that come here and try to convince us Pitt doesn't suck. Everyone knows it does, and no amount of spin is going to change that.

 

[pandaczar12]

I believe they are looking into adding some moderators.

I would like to volunteer to be a moderator. I would bring swift lair-like justice to Pitt trolls. Please vote for me.

This message paid for by friends of pandaczar12

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Nice try, where did I say that Jerry wouldn't be found guilty even in a fair trial with a proper vetting of the FACTS, not the State's made-up bull$hit "33rd Presentment". I am saying the State INTENTIONALLY RAILROADED PSU and maliciously prosecuted 3 PSU Employees and ;threw PSU Football via their FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ to do it, but perhaps that's too much cognitive reasoning to ask for from a pea-sized brain.

The school (OG BoT) also did a ton of damage to itself. They didn't have to blame the football program/Joe for a monster God created. That is exactly what they did to the national media. The school paid for, accepted, and then took the recommendations of a flawed report without even reading it. The BoT screamed we are guilty as they pointed at Joe and the other 3. You can blame the gun maker all you want, but when you pull the trigger and shoot off your own foot...it's not easy to say it was everyone else's fault. Everyone wishes that wasn't the case, but how much of this was caused by poor leadership at PSU versus the justice system who locked up a monster?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I dont think that is the same Mich. poster. there are a couple that have that same Mich. in their name.
At least I hope not because if it is I may have to re-think my position on the topic.

Got bad news for you - it's the same one, see below:

michnittlionWell-Known Member

Joined: Sep 3, 2003
Messages: 9,896
Likes Received: 436

As one would assume, all of his @ssclown, boot-licking friends ot the corrupt (PennsyOrafice, LaJolla Lapdog, etc...) have all shown up with the same opinion to bury the thread from the Main Board - go figure, there so clever. They used to start threads about their favorite marble, or toothbrush, or grill or hedge clipper to bury threads they didn't want on the front page (see that shows their love of discussing football), but it hasn't worked with these topics, so now they're going to whine to Tom with their "let's move on" crap.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

I disagree. We play pitt in football and other sports. They are relevant to this board. If we have a moratorium on pitt threads, shouldn't we then have a moratorium on Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, etc. threads?

Then discuss the GD game rather than all the insults. These insults thrown about result in grade school nanny nanny boo boo insult-a-thons. Grow the F up!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The school (OG BoT) also did a ton of damage to itself. They didn't have to blame the football program/Joe for a monster God created. That is exactly what they did to the national media. The school paid for, accepted, and then took the recommendations of a flawed report without even reading it. The BoT screamed we are guilty as they pointed at Joe and the other 3. You can blame the gun maker all you want, but when you pull the trigger and shoot off your own foot...it's not easy to say it was everyone else's fault. Everyone wishes that wasn't the case, but how much of this was caused by poor leadership at PSU versus the justice system who locked up a monster?

Wrong, Governor Corbutt hijacked the BOT after the election and his Ex-Officio seating on the PSU BOT with the help of his toady GOP scumbag friends like Surma. But nice try that PSU engineered this entire thing against themselves.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Wrong, Governor Corbutt hijacked the BOT after the election and his Ex-Officio seating on the PSU BOT with the help of his toady GOP scumbag friends like Surma. But nice try that PSU engineered this entire thing against themselves.

You just said he hijacked WHO? The BoT. That would mean yow know I'm right, but you can't admit it. It was NOT the student body government. It was a bunch of higher ups that loved the BoT title but buckled easily when the fire got hot. Whether or not it came from the governor or not, they all buckled. Unless you are excusing all of their actions, but wouldn't that make your a BoT licker?


Let's discuss this further on the Test Board.

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

I didn't vote because I wanted to experience "abstinence"

I'd prefer moving Franklin Restores the Tradition to the Test Board. Since registering his new name on Oct 25, 2015, the lad has 3736 posts, most of which are long-winded tantrums. That's roughly equivalent to 623 tirades per month or 20+ per Day!

 

[We Are . . .]

I vote YES. This board should be about football. The Sandusky posts and other posts about the BOT, Paterno lawsuits, etc. should all be on the Test Board. An occasional funny post is fine. This board is getting like the pitt football board. All they talk about is Penn State and how much they hate us. Their board is therefore useless. Our board is becoming a constant rehash of Sandusky and BOT nonsense. Thus, our board is approaching uselessness. Let's stop the madness now and return the board to its original intent.

I would vote "yes" for moving pitt posts to the Test Board.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You just said he hijacked WHO? The BoT. That would mean yow know I'm right, but you can't admit it. It was NOT the student body government. It was a bunch of higher ups that loved the BoT title but buckled easily when the fire got hot. Whether or not it came from the governor or not, they all buckled. Unless you are excusing all of their actions, but wouldn't that make your a BoT licker?


Let's discuss this further on the Test Board.

Malfeasance by a bunch of self-interested politically-empowered STATE ACTORS who not only violated their Legal Fiduciary Obligations, but illegally abused the "Public Trust" is not a reflection on The Pennsylvania State University or the "culture" of its community in any way. It is a reflection of the moral-cesspool of the people we have running our Governments and the "culture" which breeds them (e.g., soulless, morally-&-ethically BANKRUPT LAWYERS).

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Malfeasance by a bunch of self-interested politically-empowered STATE ACTORS who not only violated their Legal Fiduciary Obligations, but illegally abused the "Public Trust" is not a reflection on The Pennsylvania State University or the "culture" of its community in any way. It is a reflection of the moral-cesspool of the people we have running our Governments and the "culture" which breeds them (e.g., soulless, morally-&-ethically BANKRUPT LAWYERS).

 

[anon_vmuicqnzlyp3u]

Really? How's that given that the INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ Presentment "False Narrative" bait-and-switch routine shifting responsibility from TSM & their dual State Regulators, DPW and the OAG, onto PSU was used as the "ways and means" to conduct both the tyrannous and unjust public lynching and the FRAUDULENT FOIL used to provide a cover and a cover-up for TSM, the State Agencies and the politically, morally-bankrupt scum that perpetrated it???

Just a quick questions for you. Not here to flame but do you really believe Sandusky is innocent? Just curious

 

[mmp121]

I sympathize with some of the sentiments expressed in this thread.

With JS, it appears that between his court appearance, his writing letters with some TV reporter, the CDT having an interview with Dottie, etc. that there has been a flurry of activity concerning JS. My preference would be for folks to not start a new thread for each article. While I can merge them, I find that if I do so when the posts have gotten somewhat large, that they are very confusing to read after the merger. So it's a damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

Within the JS threads, I'm getting increasingly frustrated with a few posters that go way overboard in their responses. It's unnecessary. I end up having to choose between deleting the entire thread because of such posts, deleting the offensive posts, or editing the offensive posts. The 2nd and 3rd actions take a lot of time and effort on my part. The 1st action is the easiest to follow, but I hesitate to throw out an entire thread when only part of it is offensive.

There is no simple answer in this situation. That said, I'm not inclined to move JS posts to the Test Board.

Tom,

Its a thankless job, and I agree you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't know how you feel about locking a thread and letting it die (or if its even an option), while preserving the info. I'm sure there will be clowns who don't get the message and will attempt to start a new post to continue the 'debate', but I feel those new one's may be easier to shut down / delete as they don't contain as MUCH useful information before getting sidetracked into name calling and elementary school behavior.

Just a thought!

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

At least Pitt is back on the schedule.

Reminder: According to some folks, we aren't allowed to talk about that on this board, either.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Wow Step. What a find. First weather report I sat through in a long time. Appreciate that

Added: "She would make me approach the Apocalypse with a Can-Do attitude". Great commentary. This is officially the first time that I have every watched a weather forecast a second time. Step, I owe you a beer for certain. Muchas Gracias

First weather report I sat through in a long time. Appreciate that

HAHA!

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Yup - and here they are:

• We Are . . .
• MICH.Nit Fan
• ChiTownLion
• EPC FAN
• BBrown
• Lions8286
• JonZ
• psuro
• Victor E. Bell
• Ct. Lion
• PSUlaw
• JoeBatters1
• 2lion70
• scottpsurules
• wex18
• Whaaaaaaaany
• Nittany Ned2
• summitlion1
• jjsocrates
• mmp121
• psu00
• nits74
• stuckincolumbus
• lionlurker
• ForesterGump
• step.eng69
• The Spin Meister
• simons96
• kgilbert78
• PSU-Knocker
• Ten Thousan Marbles
• NovaPSULuvr
• bplionfan
• Nittany1997
• burns444
• YYZ86
• chem eng67
• Malachi Constant
• Ralpoh
• 86Engineer
• TheKellyTaylor
• Sproul
• Franklin_Restores_TheTradition
• PSU2UNC

Kindly add me to that proud list.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Kindly add me to that proud list.

Noted.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

I agree 100%, if you don't want to read it, just ignore it. The real problem is that some people feel the need to repeat their point of view over and over. We all know where you stand, you aren't changing anyone's minds, so just give it up. It's like Pitt fans that come here and try to convince us Pitt doesn't suck. Everyone knows it does, and no amount of spin is going to change that.

and no amount of spin is going to change that

neither will no amount of hand waving...

 

[Art]

Nice try, where did I say that Jerry wouldn't be found guilty even in a fair trial with a proper vetting of the FACTS, not the State's made-up bull$hit INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment". I am saying the State INTENTIONALLY RAILROADED PSU and maliciously prosecuted 3 PSU Employees and threw PSU Football under the bus via their FRAUDULENT 33rd SWIGJ to do it, but perhaps that's too much cognitive reasoning to ask for from a pea-sized brain.

Good ol; Chewie,, predictable as ever. There is no reason why any of that cannot be discussed without reference to the charges against Sandusky and the conduct of his trial. Hell, you could even go on fulminating along those lines, but that would require self-control, something you've never been able to do.

 

[canuckhal]

Isn't it ironic that a post complaining about too many Sandusky threads results in another thread about Sandusky? As someone who started a thread on the subject of Sandusky, I did so because the info. was not contained in the other threads. Links were also provided to news stories about the latest development in the continuing saga. I would love for the Sandusky scandal posts to end, but unfortunately the scandal continues. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that Sandusky is not relevant to the football program, what is happening re: BOT, CSS, Freeh, lawsuits, sanctions, and more. In time, (how much time I have no idea), it will no longer be an issue, but until that time, it will continue to be relevant. This is one of the few forums that one can get good info. on what is happening. As for this board becoming solely a football board, there is another site with a free board focused on PSU football. If you visit that board, you will find few posts and few posters, and a lot less info. Aside from speculation about recruiting, what is there to post about football? Spring practice is over, new signees are not on campus, coaches are on the road. Apparently, the pay forums are a very good place to discuss football with knowledgeable posters.

There was a thread not a long ago on the subject on what this board is and it seemed that the majority enjoyed the diversity of topics and that it was a community rather than just a football board. Just like a community, there will be differences, village idiots, name calling, and forgiveness. Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good. I, for one, will say thank you to Tom for allowing us the freedom to discuss a variety of topics and have lively discussions. If you don't like a thread, simply ignore it. If you don't like a poster, simply ignore him/her.

 

[pkg5002]

If you don't like it or the topic doesn't interest you, then don't open the thread and comment. If there are visitors from other boards who want to discuss football then im pretty sure they are educated enough to find the threads that will help them do that. It really isn't that hard.

I also think the "football" related threads relating to other universities (like Pitt or whoever) should also be here and not be pushed over to the test board. Only things like: weather related, barbeque grills, toothbrush or who has a bigger wee-wee should be moved there.