PSU #6 in Coaches Poll
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Interesting. Quick thoughts...
No first place votes for USC but 7 for Clemson? Three guesses which conference coaches voted for them.
Only one SEC team in the top ten!?
Four B1G teams in the top ten.
That's fair. High enough so that our on-field play will determine where we finish. Not trying
to overcome a low pre-season ranking.
to overcome a low pre-season ranking.
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Agree. We get a shot at OSU and if we take care of business everything else will take care of itself (SHUT UP BARBOUR!)...
I haven't studied their roster and I realize that Urbs recruits insanely well - but I don't get OSU at #2. They sucked down the stretch last year, had 7 guys drafted last year, and 12 the year before.
Top Ten looks right, maybe argue #10 Wisconsin versus a Florida or Auburn. Did not like the order. Mine:
Alabama
Florida State
USC
Washington
Clemson
Ohio State
Penn State
Oklahoma
Michigan
Wisconsin
Alabama
Florida State
USC
Washington
Clemson
Ohio State
Penn State
Oklahoma
Michigan
Wisconsin
#6? Clearly a homer choice. (In response to a certain poster.)
Washington isn't better right now than us ... the Top 10 is probably a good of a job as they could've done ... only question mark in it is Michigan
Can't believe the coaches didn't put Notre Dame and UCLA in the top 10!
The belief seems to be that Michigan in 2017 will be better, because of 2 recruiting classes. The justification being given, is the performance of Ohio State in 2014, and the similarity of recruiting classes. It seems like a bit of a stretch, but that's why they play the games. Ohio State had Zeke Elliott and a number of NFL defensive players, who runs the ball for Michigan this year like Zeke Elliott and who plays in their back seven that will be playing in the NFL next season?
I see Michigan as a stretch where they are ranked. I see Wisconsin's rank, as much more true and deserved.
I see Michigan as a stretch where they are ranked. I see Wisconsin's rank, as much more true and deserved.
Florida State's rank as 3rd, rather than 2nd, means a loss to Alabama and they fall below PSU. Oklahoma's rank might mean a win over Ohio State leaps them over PSU, but doubtful if Penn State wins handily in the first two weeks. It is not a stretch that Penn State could be in the top 4 heading to Iowa City.
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Not a whole lot to nitpick about in those rankings. Typically there some pretty clear overrated and underrated teams but I think they got the top 5 correct and after that I tend to put teams in buckets where they could be shuffled around in any order.
6-10 looks about right for the teams, although have questions about Washington after what they lost and may flip them with Okie State.
11-15 might as well be the SEC's "also ran" division.
16-20 - One of these teams will crap themselves and end up 6-6, but otherwise these are mostly 9-3 type teams so about right for rankings.
21-25 - Pick your poison. These teams could all either make a run to the top 10 if they score an upset or two, or tank altogether.
As for the rest of the B1G, we're probably looking at 7 or 8 ranked teams by week 3 with Northwestern, Nebraska and Iowa all knocking on the door and likely to get out of the gates strong given their schedules....and keep an eye on Maryland if they pull the upset @Texas in week 1.
6-10 looks about right for the teams, although have questions about Washington after what they lost and may flip them with Okie State.
11-15 might as well be the SEC's "also ran" division.
16-20 - One of these teams will crap themselves and end up 6-6, but otherwise these are mostly 9-3 type teams so about right for rankings.
21-25 - Pick your poison. These teams could all either make a run to the top 10 if they score an upset or two, or tank altogether.
As for the rest of the B1G, we're probably looking at 7 or 8 ranked teams by week 3 with Northwestern, Nebraska and Iowa all knocking on the door and likely to get out of the gates strong given their schedules....and keep an eye on Maryland if they pull the upset @Texas in week 1.
That was my own initial reaction but if you consider this preseason poll as being a ranking of how strong the teams actually are instead of a prediction of the final postseason poll, then it works well enough. Michigan may very well be the ninth strongest team in the country but I have my doubts that the final poll will have all three of PSU, OSU, and UM in the top ten.
AmnI he only one thinking OSU is entirely overrated? Destroyed by Clemson and lost a TON to NFL....4/5 star talent stepping in but unproven....JT has regressed each year....Wilson as OC may/may not work out....
Not sure how they're thought of as better than FSU/Bama/USC.....plethora of Midwest voters? Easy schedule? What gives....
True. They're looking at the amount of talent from a wholesale value, it would seem, and on that level Michigan as 9 makes sense.
What no No-der-dumb in the top 25?!
Georgia and Lewisville underrated. Clemson and Meatchicken overrated. Watch out for the S. Fla. Brahma Bull.
OSU lost a lot on defense to the NFL but that doesn't mean you should overlook them. They return their entire offensive line, Weber is a strong #1 back and JT Barret is still 26-4 as a starter. With Kevin Wilson and Urban running the O I'm pretty sure they'll be just as dangerous as they've been since Urban has been there.
The defense is where they lost their talent to the NFL, but that's the unit that will undoubtedly be one of the best in the nation. I saw ESPNs ranking of the best players in the country and they had 4 defensive lineman in the top 40. That might be the scariest position group in the entire country. With a front that talented and a bevy of 4/5 star recruits replacing last years departures, I'd guarantee it/s the best defense we play all season. That defense will be scary and is extremely well coached.
Home vs Oklahoma, home vs penn state, no wisconsin. It's safe to say if we lose that game in Columbus there's no way in hell we can represent the east. I could see them losing 1 non-conference game (other than us) but no way in hell 2.
I'd imagine there are some coaches that consider the returning national champs to be the #1 team until they lose on the field. I'm ok with that mindset.
The Big 10 appears like it will be quite top-heavy again this year. Lots of teams in the top 10 but not much in terms of depth through the rest of the rankings. At least, not yet.
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It's certainly not ideal, but the whole idea of a coaches poll is stupid to begin with IMO. The coaches don't have time to watch all the games in order to form informed opinions on how to vote. In the absence of reasonable rationale for their votes I'll tolerate keeping the #1 team at #1. Most of these votes are probably WAGs (wild ass guesses) because the coaches have better things to do with their time.
This puts PSU in great position to make a run at the top 4. Best case for us would be Ohio State defeating Oklahoma. If Oklahoma wins a close game they will probably rank both teams ahead of PSU
We are back where we belong with the old time power schools Alabama, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma and Michigan.
And lost 31-0 to Clemson, while being embarrassingly non-competitive. duhO$U looked awful and clearly had no business participating in this game while 2 BCS Conference Champrions were and 8 FBS Conference Champions were left out. It is a joke to give a team that was an "also ran" in its own Conference (didn't even win its own Conference Division) a shot while multiple BCS Conference Champions were given no shot - complete joke and no other real NCAA "playoff" at any level (or high-school for that matter) functions in this ridiculous "corrupt boxing-promoter controlled" fashion.
This might be totally off base, but I think back to 2 years ago and the "mismatched parts" thing about the PSU offense with Hack running the system, and then I think about Ohio State working on their new pass offense with Barrett. There is a chance that this new system, in which reports claim Meyer has given Wilson autonomy over, has mismatched parts with Barrett. Might be totally wrong and Ohio State runs the ball down everyone's throat and options with Barrett and when they need to throw they find Baugh or Dixon, but without that premier running back, they seem to struggle.
Again, could be totally wrong, we'll see.
Again, could be totally wrong, we'll see.
it's soo hard to predict about JT Barrett. A few years back (seems like 4), he scared the living hell out of me and tore us up along with everybody else, seemed unstoppable. I think he lost his edge, you could see it last year, physically and mentally. I think they'll have a new starter by our game but I hope not
A quick look at the 2015 game in Columbus reveals that they simply could not throw the ball, and in fact abandoned their starting qb that night, and then won the game with Barrett running the ball. That opened up a few simple pass plays, and PSU wore down. They haven't really been able to throw the ball in quite some time, and the speculation that Wilson is a quarterback whisperer, to me, makes no sense. He developed and innovated the read option at Northwestern, that was a running offense with Kustok. At Indiana, he had two NFL prototype drop back passers and his offenses also had a feature back who they ran with. None of his systems are comparable to anything that Leach runs at Wash. State. I'm still unclear about how his presence in Columbus turns Ohio State into a 50-50 run pass team.
I also think that if it goes wrong, and it just might, then you are right, Barrett will be on a short leash and it might not be Barrow who gets the call in week 9 vs PSU. It might be Haskins.
