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PSU doesn't have a running back ranked in the top 200 for yardage.

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In fact, if Cain and Lee's yardage were combined, they would rank only 83rd, tied with SMU's Tre Siggers. Yeah, THAT Tre Siggers. I know college football has changed a lot since JoePa, Woody, and Bo were guiding things, but this isn't acceptable. RBs from MSU, MI, and OSU are ranked 2nd, 20th, and 23rd. I miss the days when we could reliably count on the running game and had NCAA rushing leaders.
 
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Team needs to get back to stressing line play and the running game. That's how this program will be able to compete with the best. Think Wisconsin, with better athletes. That is the road to competing with the best.
 
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Team needs to get back to stressing line play and the running game. That's how this program will be able to compete with the best. Think Wisconsin, with better athletes. That is the road to competing with the best.
Then why have all the teams with more talent gotten away from that type of offense?
 
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Then why have all the teams with more talent gotten away from that type of offense?
Have you watched a Georgia game this year?

Great line play (both sides) is what sets the great teams apart from the rest. And defenses aren't used to seeing a power running game these days. Penn State is rarely going to have the very best players. But great line play and a reliable running game will always keep you in games.
 
Then why have all the teams with more talent gotten away from that type of offense?
How many former Alabama running backs play on Sundays? How many Alabama offensive linemen play Sundays?

Same with Ohio State? And note that very few Buckeye QBs pan out in the NFL. That’s because they play on teams with great backs, great linemen, and great receivers.
 
well:
  • We've had problems at guard, one is out for the year
  • all three RB's have been injured or unavailable (Lovett) at times
  • We have a QB who was iffy running the ball and is now unable to run the ball (1.5 games)
  • We didn't start with a good running game

Really, no surprises.
 
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In fact, if Cain and Lee's yardage were combined, they would rank only 83rd, tied with SMU's Tre Siggers. Yeah, THAT Tre Siggers. I know college football has changed a lot since JoePa, Woody, and Bo were guiding things, but this isn't acceptable. RBs from MSU, MI, and OSU are ranked 2nd, 20th, and 23rd. I miss the days when we could reliably count on the running game and had NCAA rushing leaders.
Obviously most everyone agrees as it pertains to the desire for a sustained running game...that said, it was only 2 years ago when Journey Brown was 9th in average yards per carry at 6.9. It reflects that running was part of the gameplan AND indicates that there were a substantial # of explosive plays...even so, I doubt anyone would consider that 2019 line to be anything special (and were certainly not as good at pass blocking as the current season's line despite the poor 2021 run blocking). Also, despite the success of both Brown and Cain, it would be difficult to consider the 2019 rushing attack that year to be consistent...but they did have some success.
 
In fact, if Cain and Lee's yardage were combined, they would rank only 83rd, tied with SMU's Tre Siggers. Yeah, THAT Tre Siggers. I know college football has changed a lot since JoePa, Woody, and Bo were guiding things, but this isn't acceptable. RBs from MSU, MI, and OSU are ranked 2nd, 20th, and 23rd. I miss the days when we could reliably count on the running game and had NCAA rushing leaders.

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How many former Alabama running backs play on Sundays? How many Alabama offensive linemen play Sundays?

Same with Ohio State? And note that very few Buckeye QBs pan out in the NFL. That’s because they play on teams with great backs, great linemen, and great receivers.
And spread, no huddle offenses…not the plodding, straight ahead offenses of Iowa, Wiscy and Joe that some of our fans long for. Plus, and here’s a news flash for you, a higher percentage of four and five stars make the NFL and those two programs have the most of those…I know, shocking.
 
And spread, no huddle offenses…not the plodding, straight ahead offenses of Iowa, Wiscy and Joe that some of our fans long for. Plus, and here’s a news flash for you, a higher percentage of four and five stars make the NFL and those two programs have the most of those…I know, shocking.
Great. Ignore the point of my post.
 
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And spread, no huddle offenses…not the plodding, straight ahead offenses of Iowa, Wiscy and Joe that some of our fans long for. Plus, and here’s a news flash for you, a higher percentage of four and five stars make the NFL and those two programs have the most of those…I know, shocking.
all good...but that doesn't account for a loss to Illinois or lack of production against other lesser talented teams.
 
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The Power Spread opened a lot of doors to kids who would have otherwise been shut out of any post HS football and it also brought a great deal of excitement to the game. However, if a team is running the Pro-set and capable of recruiting NFL bound offensive linemen with RB’s like Derrick Henry or E. Elliott you are going to win a NC or at the very least play in one.
 
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In fact, if Cain and Lee's yardage were combined, they would rank only 83rd, tied with SMU's Tre Siggers. Yeah, THAT Tre Siggers. I know college football has changed a lot since JoePa, Woody, and Bo were guiding things, but this isn't acceptable. RBs from MSU, MI, and OSU are ranked 2nd, 20th, and 23rd. I miss the days when we could reliably count on the running game and had NCAA rushing leaders.
Because they are injured, slow, can't follow a hole, and have no other gear.
 
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Team needs to get back to stressing line play and the running game. That's how this program will be able to compete with the best. Think Wisconsin, with better athletes. That is the road to competing with the best.
 
And spread, no huddle offenses…not the plodding, straight ahead offenses of Iowa, Wiscy and Joe that some of our fans long for. Plus, and here’s a news flash for you, a higher percentage of four and five stars make the NFL and those two programs have the most of those…I know, shocking

Georgia disagrees on all counts.
 
Obviously most everyone agrees as it pertains to the desire for a sustained running game...that said, it was only 2 years ago when Journey Brown was 9th in average yards per carry at 6.9. It reflects that running was part of the gameplan AND indicates that there were a substantial # of explosive plays...even so, I doubt anyone would consider that 2019 line to be anything special (and were certainly not as good at pass blocking as the current season's line despite the poor 2021 run blocking). Also, despite the success of both Brown and Cain, it would be difficult to consider the 2019 rushing attack that year to be consistent...but they did have some success.
The 2019 team was powerful offensively. Sean Clifford's injuries hurt the team at key moments (i.e. the tOSU game). However, that team could run the ball when it needed to - watch the end of the Iowa game at Kinnick - we ran the clock out on them. Also, watch Noah Cain in that game, and you tell me if he looks anything today like that player. We have no running back that seems to be 100% healthy:

  • Lee was okay but now he is hurt
  • Cain - not close to his former self, and it shows on extra yards as he just goes down
  • Lovett - has shown flashes like when he was at Baylor, but he has been hurt all the way back to camp. Missed half the games.
  • Ford - some flashes but MIA now.
  • Holmes - not sure how bad he is hurt but not sure he has played more than a few plays all year.
there is the full RB room we thought we had.

Our OL lost Wormley = starting LG and who knows what that did. A number of OL on this team were 4* players as well as from the past. We have recruited * talent that is at least as good as Wisconsin, Iowa and certainly Illinois have.

we have a QB who now is hurt, and since JF has been the HC, we do NOT play well when the QB cannot run. that has been key to the run game - go all the way back to Trace.
 
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The 2019 team was powerful offensively. Sean Clifford's injuries hurt the team at key moments (i.e. the tOSU game). However, that team could run the ball when it needed to - watch the end of the Iowa game at Kinnick - we ran the clock out on them. Also, watch Noah Cain in that game, and you tell me if he looks anything today like that player. We have no running back that seems to be 100% healthy:

  • Lee was okay but now he is hurt
  • Cain - not close to his former self, and it shows on extra yards as he just goes down
  • Lovett - has shown flashes like when he was at Baylor, but he has been hurt all the way back to camp. Missed half the games.
  • Ford - some flashes but MIA now.
  • Holmes - not sure how bad he is hurt but not sure he has played more than a few plays all year.
there is the full RB room we thought we had.

Our OL lost Wormley = starting LG and who knows what that did. A number of OL on this team were 4* players as well as from the past. We have recruited * talent that is at least as good as Wisconsin, Iowa and certainly Illinois have.

we have a QB who now is hurt, and since JF has been the HC, we do NOT play well when the QB cannot run. that has been key to the run game - go all the way back to Trace.
Wormley never started a game.
 
RPO is not the running game's friend.

I'd love to see a package where Clifford is under center. Won't happen until Franklin is gone or has a sudden eureka moment. Too bad because I think the offensive line in too much maligned.
 
RPO is not the running game's friend.

I'd love to see a package where Clifford is under center. Won't happen until Franklin is gone or has a sudden eureka moment. Too bad because I think the offensive line in too much maligned.
Clifford has been under center numerous times this year
 
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