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PSU to freeze tuition for in state students

UNC has a state law that permits only 15% of students from out of state. That is as it should be, if you can pull it off, and they can. .

I'm not arguing against your post in general, but with regards to UNC this policy actually creates a issue for them (IMHO, based on teaching there years ago). There are not enough qualified in state students (NC's public secondary school system is, or at least was, quite bad, especially in rural areas), so they end up admitting some in state kids who really aren't ready to be working at the college level at a upper tier public university like UNC. I had some in state students (obviously not all) who had no idea how to study, no idea how to take notes, and required a lot of hand holding to get them to understand very basic scientific concepts. At times the class I taught felt more like a high school level course than a "science for majors" college course because I had to "teach down" to the underperformers. The out of state students, on the other hand, were very bright, very prepared and very ready for academic rigor.

I'm not implying that PA has the same problems; just pointing out that often times policies have more complexity to them than there might initially appear.
 
Most universities also have policies saying the are only going to take a certain amount of applicants from a HS no matter how good they are. Howard county MD is a very well regarded system and in a few of their HS's I have seen kids with over 4.0 weighted GPA's, over 1400 SAT and other extracurricular not get in to UMD but get wait listed because they had 8-10 that the school ranked above them from their HS.
 
Cmon NIT, you're smarter this and you fell right into their trap. Yea, for the students already there that are in state, they get to pay the same amount next year. No doubt. But all Penn State has to do is admit an ever increasing percentage of out of state kids (which they are doing!), and boom! Now you've just raised tuition without raising tuition. Barry is 100% right on this.

It's like the idiots that live around me and every year the property taxes go up.. And they say, surely we have to keep paying these increases because good schools drive the property values... They're putting the egg before the chicken. The schools are actually good BECAUSE of the property values, not the other way around.
You’re wrong, and I am smarter than that. It’s simple math. They are not raising tuition for in state students. That’s the important point. Zero increase for Pennsylvanians. Why should we care what out of state students are charged? Those higher tuition payments help to keep the tuition frozen for in state students. Let those out of state parents (30% of PSU’s student enrollment are out of state students) subsidize the parents of the Pa. kids. They are the beneficiaries. It’s just like the private universities who take some of the $60,000 they collect from the wealthy students and use some of it to provide scholarships to the students from lower income families. Those who pay more subsidize those who therefore pay less.

Your statement about quality of schools and property values is a superficial generalization. There are a lot of factors, including parental involvement, stable family units, health and nutrition of the students, cultural differences, ethnicity, the educational level of the parents, and the quality of teachers which contribute to the quality of the education, and many factors do correlate to the economic strata of the student. But good schools do increase the demand for homes within those high performing school districts resulting in higher property values. Families want to live where their kids are likely to get the best education, and will pay more for homes in those school districts.

There have been demonstration projects which place high performing teachers in low performing schools. These top rated teachers (in DC for example) were given added compensation to go into the worst schools in the city, usually in the poorest slum areas, to replace the other teachers. The results were that the students achieved greater academic success than they had heretofore been able to achieve. Those students in the same schools that were taught by the other teachers performed poorer (treatment group vs control group). These were the neighborhoods with the lowest property values in the city.

The point is that if a school district has the money to hire the best teachers, it makes a measurable difference and the data will support that. Great teachers do a better job than average teachers ( or worse ), and they can commnd higher salaries for their services just like in other occupations in the labor market.

There are also communities in large “high end” retirement areas which have crummy schools because the old residents constantly defeat schools tax budget issues. So the property values are high because the elderly like the low taxes there and that increases the demand for homes within these retirement communities among the elderly, but the school districts which encompass them suffer immensely.
 
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Most universities also have policies saying the are only going to take a certain amount of applicants from a HS no matter how good they are. Howard county MD is a very well regarded system and in a few of their HS's I have seen kids with over 4.0 weighted GPA's, over 1400 SAT and other extracurricular not get in to UMD but get wait listed because they had 8-10 that the school ranked above them from their HS.
That’s what UT does. At one time if you finished in the top 10% of your class in any high school in Texas you were an auto admit. This started to really hurt the quality of the student body so I think they dropped it to top 8%. I’ve heard of parents who actually move to a crappy school district so their kids could have a better shot at getting into UT. Being in the top 10% at a school like Westlake (Nick Foles’ high school) is so much harder than, say, being in the top 10% at some school in Texarkana or some other East Texas hellhole
 
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