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OK....someone (anyone) help me out here with anything I may be missing:

Costs to take a football team to Jacksonville:

First, some estimates that are rather easy to make:

# Players on the squad (includes everyone, including redshirts, walk-ons, injured players etc) = 126
# Coaches = 10. X 2 to include spouses = 20
PSU lists 18 Athletic Trainers on staff. Certainly, they are not all for football, but even if we assume thay are ALL football trainers = 18
PSU lists 4 "Directors of XXX" for Football. Certainly they don't all need to be at the game site....but lets say they are included = 4
PSU lists a VIdeo Director and an Assistant Video Director, so lets include those guys = 2
PSU lists 4 Grad Assistants, so including them = 4
Add in Jeff Nelson - AD in charge of communications (LOL), and lets overkill and add 4 team physicians, and 5 "performance enhancement" (strength training) guys...though I am not sure they would be necessary, 3 equipment managers (and lets throw in another 4 student-intern guys to tote stuff around) = 17 more


That is HUGE overkill, and includes anyone even tangentially related to game week prep, and the total comes to 191.

OK, now lets assume ALL of these folks are there for the entire 5 night stay (which, again, is probably overkill - but lets err on the high side)


So, for those 191 folks, Travel, Lodging, & Accommodations:

Travel: Round-trip air fare is available commercially for about $200. If you are going to "charter", it should be less per head than paying commercial....but lets again err on the high side and go with $250 per head:

$250 X 191 = $47,750

Accommodations: 5 nights, $200 per room per night (a group rate for a VERY nice hotel. FWIW, the OMNI Amelia Island - a VERY nice hotel where the team is staying - has standard rates of $279 per room....but a group like this should be able to EASILY get in at under $200. If not, there are PLENTY of nice hotels in the JVille area that would love to get 200 folks in for a week at $200 per night)....let's even jack it up a bit and go with $225 per room per night

Rooms Needed:
Coaches/Spouses = 10 rooms
Players (2 per room) = 63 rooms
Support Staff (2 per room) = 22.5 rooms

Round Up to 96 rooms X 5 nights X $225 per night = $108,000


Food + Beverage: Many meals are comped by the bowl committee, along with various outings throughout the week….but let’s assume that PSU is picking up the costs for all meals. Per diem rates for meals and incidentals (according to the IRS tables for business travel) vary from $46 to $71 per day, depending on location. Cities like Los Angeles and New York have the highest rates. Most meals during a bowl week would be group events, and rates would be lower, but if we assume the HIGHEST per diem rate, the costs would be:

191 People for 5 days at $71 per day = $67,805


So, travel, accommodations, meals and incidentals for the entire football party = $223,550
And that is with going "high side" on everything.....no "trying to get out cheap" in any way.



What other costs would PSU incur:

  • Transporting equipment to/from Jacksonville. Uniforms, practice gear, practice equipment, video equipment etc.
  • If we assume two “tractor trailer” loads (one for "normal" road game gear, another for stuff needed to practice throughout the week, along with video equipment and what not) to transfer all of the equipment, we have
Two tractor trailers travelling 2,000 miles each (round trip) / Drivers for each rig – paying them for 5 nights of “down time”, and 5 nights of accommodations for each driver. Loading/unloading the equipment to be handle by the respective team managers, trainers, etc.

According to the trade association, the total costs to operate a tractor trailer (including driver salary) is $1.38 per mile. Lets be on the “fat” side, and double that to a cost to PSU of $2.76 per mile. Add in 5 days of pay/accommodations for the 2 drivers (at $350 per day….$200 downtime pay, $100 accommodation, $50 per diem)

Total costs to transport gear, and pay transport drivers for entire week =
$2.76/mile X 4,000 miles + 2 X $350 X 5 = $14,540




That brings our total up to $238,090

What else needs to be added in?

Special events - things like a trip to the local amusement park, trip to the beach, an evening dinner with the two teams (think the Fiesta Bowl encounter with Miami) - are generally provided by the bowl sponsors.
I assume PSU is allowed to give the kids a little spending cash for a night on the town type stuff.....so lets throw in $200 bucks per player in spending cash (though I am not 100% sure if that is NCAA allowed). That comes to $200 X 126 = $25,200.

That brings our total up to $263,290


What else?

We know that PSU is sending the Blue Band to JVille via bus, and they have a 2 night stay (maximum....it may only be one night....but lets go with two). Again, chartering transportation is a lot cheaper than going commercial, but even commercial rates (thank you Greyhound Information) are $160 per person round trip.
I am sure charters with Fullington would be a lot less....but lets use the commercial rates to be on the "fat" side.
Band members will be accommodated 2 to a room, and I don't know the exact hotel, but I think it is safe to assume the group rate at the selected hotel will be under $100 per night.

So, for 300 band members, travel and lodging:

$160 X 300 + 150 rooms (2 per room) X $100 X 2 = $78,000

Lets assume a full per diem of $50 per head (which is likely a high estimate):

$50 X 2 X 300 = $30,000

Total for Blue Band Travel, Accommodations, and per diem = $108,000

That brings our total up to $371,290



What else am I missing?

Is there anything even tangentially required that I am overlooking?


PSU receives a expense check from the B1G of $2,000,000. Is any of that going to be deposited back into the "general fund"? If not.....where-o-where is all that money going?

Well, we do know they chartered a jet that seats 2 1/2 times as many people as the entire football related entourage.
Either they were so fiscally imprudent as to charter a plane that was 2 1/2 times bigger than what they needed, and flew the plane at 40% capacity....which would be extremely wasteful
or
There WERE another couple of hundred asses in those seats, and, of course (unless those "asses" were going to wander the streets of JVille for 5 days) a couple hundred folks to lodge and feed for 5 days.
Who could those "asses" belong to, pray tell?

And how on Earth are those 200 "asses" going to squander $1,628,710 of that $2,000,000 expense check in just five days?
They are going to have to really focus in order to spend that kind of cash.


Of course, given that we are led by an Administration that has told us (repeatedly) that they have set the world standard in TRANSPARENCY.....I am sure we will get a full accounting - before they go and ask all the alums to chip in to the pot again.



"Thank you for your generous contributions to Penn State Athletics. Remember...IT'S FOR THE KIDS!!"
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$800,000 per year.....plus bonuses and monthly "redecorating" fees

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$1,200,000 per year....plus bonuses and complimentary speed reading lessons in order to review that Freeh Report

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OK....someone (anyone) help me out here with anything I may be missing:

Costs to take a football team to Jacksonville:

First, some estimates that are rather easy to make:

# Players on the squad (includes everyone, including redshirts, walk-ons, injured players etc) = 126
# Coaches = 10. X 2 to include spouses = 20
PSU lists 18 Athletic Trainers on staff. Certainly, they are not all for football, but even if we assume thay are ALL football trainers = 18
PSU lists 4 "Directors of XXX" for Football. Certainly they don't all need to be at the game site....but lets say they are included = 4
PSU lists a VIdeo Director and an Assistant Video Director, so lets include those guys = 2
PSU lists 4 Grad Assistants, so including them = 4
Add in Jeff Nelson - AD in charge of communications (LOL), and lets overkill and add 4 team physicians, and 5 "performance enhancement" (strength training) guys...though I am not sure they would be necessary, 3 equipment managers (and lets throw in another 4 student-intern guys to tote stuff around) = 17 more


That is HUGE overkill, and includes anyone even tangentially related to game week prep, and the total comes to 191.

OK, now lets assume ALL of these folks are there for the entire 5 night stay (which, again, is probably overkill - but lets err on the high side)


So, for those 191 folks, Travel, Lodging, & Accommodations:

Travel: Round-trip air fare is available commercially for about $200. If you are going to "charter", it should be less per head than paying commercial....but lets again err on the high side and go with $250 per head:

$250 X 191 = $47,750

Accommodations: 5 nights, $200 per room per night (a group rate for a VERY nice hotel. FWIW, the OMNI Amelia Island - a VERY nice hotel where the team is staying - has standard rates of $279 per room....but a group like this should be able to EASILY get in at under $200. If not, there are PLENTY of nice hotels in the JVille area that would love to get 200 folks in for a week at $200 per night)....let's even jack it up a bit and go with $225 per room per night

Rooms Needed:
Coaches/Spouses = 10 rooms
Players (2 per room) = 63 rooms
Support Staff (2 per room) = 22.5 rooms

Round Up to 96 rooms X 5 nights X $225 per night = $108,000


Food + Beverage: Many meals are comped by the bowl committee, along with various outings throughout the week….but let’s assume that PSU is picking up the costs for all meals. Per diem rates for meals and incidentals (according to the IRS tables for business travel) vary from $46 to $71 per day, depending on location. Cities like Los Angeles and New York have the highest rates. Most meals during a bowl week would be group events, and rates would be lower, but if we assume the HIGHEST per diem rate, the costs would be:

191 People for 5 days at $71 per day = $67,805


So, travel, accommodations, meals and incidentals for the entire football party = $223,550
And that is with going "high side" on everything.....no "trying to get out cheap" in any way.



What other costs would PSU incur:

  • Transporting equipment to/from Jacksonville. Uniforms, practice gear, practice equipment, video equipment etc.
  • If we assume two “tractor trailer” loads (one for "normal" road game gear, another for stuff needed to practice throughout the week, along with video equipment and what not) to transfer all of the equipment, we have
Two tractor trailers travelling 2,000 miles each (round trip) / Drivers for each rig – paying them for 5 nights of “down time”, and 5 nights of accommodations for each driver. Loading/unloading the equipment to be handle by the respective team managers, trainers, etc.

According to the trade association, the total costs to operate a tractor trailer (including driver salary) is $1.38 per mile. Lets be on the “fat” side, and double that to a cost to PSU of $2.76 per mile. Add in 5 days of pay/accommodations for the 2 drivers (at $350 per day….$200 downtime pay, $100 accommodation, $50 per diem)

Total costs to transport gear, and pay transport drivers for entire week =
$2.76/mile X 4,000 miles + 2 X $350 X 5 = $14,540




That brings our total up to $238,090

What else needs to be added in?

Special events - things like a trip to the local amusement park, trip to the beach, an evening dinner with the two teams (think the Fiesta Bowl encounter with Miami) - are generally provided by the bowl sponsors.
I assume PSU is allowed to give the kids a little spending cash for a night on the town type stuff.....so lets throw in $200 bucks per player in spending cash (though I am not 100% sure if that is NCAA allowed). That comes to $200 X 126 = $25,200.

That brings our total up to $263,290


What else?

We know that PSU is sending the Blue Band to JVille via bus, and they have a 2 night stay (maximum....it may only be one night....but lets go with two). Again, chartering transportation is a lot cheaper than going commercial, but even commercial rates (thank you Greyhound Information) are $160 per person round trip.
I am sure charters with Fullington would be a lot less....but lets use the commercial rates to be on the "fat" side.
Band members will be accommodated 2 to a room, and I don't know the exact hotel, but I think it is safe to assume the group rate at the selected hotel will be under $100 per night.

So, for 300 band members, travel and lodging:

$160 X 300 + 150 rooms (2 per room) X $100 X 2 = $78,000

Lets assume a full per diem of $50 per head (which is likely a high estimate):

$50 X 2 X 300 = $30,000

Total for Blue Band Travel, Accommodations, and per diem = $108,000

That brings our total up to $371,290



What else am I missing?

Is there anything even tangentially required that I am overlooking?


PSU receives a expense check from the B1G of $2,000,000. Is any of that going to be deposited back into the "general fund"? If not.....where-o-where is all that money going?

Well, we do know they chartered a jet that seats 2 1/2 times as many people as the entire football related entourage.
Either they were so fiscally imprudent as to charter a plane that was 2 1/2 times bigger than what they needed, and flew the plane at 40% capacity....which would be extremely wasteful
or
There WERE another couple of hundred asses in those seats, and, of course (unless those "asses" were going to wander the streets of JVille for 5 days) a couple hundred folks to lodge and feed for 5 days.
Who could those "asses" belong to, pray tell?

And how on Earth are those 200 "asses" going to squander $1,628,710 of that $2,000,000 expense check in just five days?
They are going to have to really focus in order to spend that kind of cash.


Of course, given that we are led by an Administration that has told us (repeatedly) that they have set the world standard in TRANSPARENCY.....I am sure we will get a full accounting - before they go and ask all the alums to chip in to the pot again.



"Thank you for your generous contributions to Penn State Athletics. Remember...IT'S FOR THE KIDS!!"
th

$800,000 per year.....plus bonuses and monthly "redecorating" fees

th


$1,200,000 per year....plus bonuses and complimentary speed reading lessons in order to review that Freeh Report

th
Get a LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GFYS
 
FWIW commercial flights from SCE to JAX through PHL run cluster to $1000.

But that's checking for a flight leaving Wed and returning Sunday. I would assume there would be some savings if plans were made two weeks ago but not $200/ticket
 
Somewhere they will publish the official party
Then there will be the official events.
Trust me money will be gone.
 
You forgot "alcohol". These high brows are only imbibing the top shelf stuff.....Yet our poor Blue Band might still be on their motor coaches, sharing one lav per coach.
 
Is the $2000000 guaranteed??? Or does this assume PSU sells out their total ticket allotment?? And if they don't their payout is reduced??? Just asking
 
You've left out all the administrators - and there are a bunch. The Big Ten designates who can be part of the official party. It includes the AD, the university president, BOT members, etc. Typically the size of the official party gets well north of 500.
 
Is the $2000000 guaranteed??? Or does this assume PSU sells out their total ticket allotment?? And if they don't their payout is reduced??? Just asking

The Big Ten picks up the tab for any unsold tickets. It doesn't come out of the expense guarantee.
 
FWIW commercial flights from SCE to JAX through PHL run cluster to $1000.

But that's checking for a flight leaving Wed and returning Sunday. I would assume there would be some savings if plans were made two weeks ago but not $200/ticket
They didn't fly out of State College
 
You've left out all the administrators - and there are a bunch. The Big Ten designates who can be part of the official party. It includes the AD, the university president, BOT members, etc. Typically the size of the official party gets well north of 500.


Accurate, but largely meaningless.
 
If you see that "Official Party" list, let me know please. I've never seen PSU list one.
OK....someone (anyone) help me out here with anything I may be missing:

Costs to take a football team to Jacksonville:

First, some estimates that are rather easy to make:

# Players on the squad (includes everyone, including redshirts, walk-ons, injured players etc) = 126
# Coaches = 10. X 2 to include spouses = 20
PSU lists 18 Athletic Trainers on staff. Certainly, they are not all for football, but even if we assume thay are ALL football trainers = 18
PSU lists 4 "Directors of XXX" for Football. Certainly they don't all need to be at the game site....but lets say they are included = 4
PSU lists a VIdeo Director and an Assistant Video Director, so lets include those guys = 2
PSU lists 4 Grad Assistants, so including them = 4
Add in Jeff Nelson - AD in charge of communications (LOL), and lets overkill and add 4 team physicians, and 5 "performance enhancement" (strength training) guys...though I am not sure they would be necessary, 3 equipment managers (and lets throw in another 4 student-intern guys to tote stuff around) = 17 more


That is HUGE overkill, and includes anyone even tangentially related to game week prep, and the total comes to 191.

OK, now lets assume ALL of these folks are there for the entire 5 night stay (which, again, is probably overkill - but lets err on the high side)


So, for those 191 folks, Travel, Lodging, & Accommodations:

Travel: Round-trip air fare is available commercially for about $200. If you are going to "charter", it should be less per head than paying commercial....but lets again err on the high side and go with $250 per head:

$250 X 191 = $47,750

Accommodations: 5 nights, $200 per room per night (a group rate for a VERY nice hotel. FWIW, the OMNI Amelia Island - a VERY nice hotel where the team is staying - has standard rates of $279 per room....but a group like this should be able to EASILY get in at under $200. If not, there are PLENTY of nice hotels in the JVille area that would love to get 200 folks in for a week at $200 per night)....let's even jack it up a bit and go with $225 per room per night

Rooms Needed:
Coaches/Spouses = 10 rooms
Players (2 per room) = 63 rooms
Support Staff (2 per room) = 22.5 rooms

Round Up to 96 rooms X 5 nights X $225 per night = $108,000


Food + Beverage: Many meals are comped by the bowl committee, along with various outings throughout the week….but let’s assume that PSU is picking up the costs for all meals. Per diem rates for meals and incidentals (according to the IRS tables for business travel) vary from $46 to $71 per day, depending on location. Cities like Los Angeles and New York have the highest rates. Most meals during a bowl week would be group events, and rates would be lower, but if we assume the HIGHEST per diem rate, the costs would be:

191 People for 5 days at $71 per day = $67,805


So, travel, accommodations, meals and incidentals for the entire football party = $223,550
And that is with going "high side" on everything.....no "trying to get out cheap" in any way.



What other costs would PSU incur:

  • Transporting equipment to/from Jacksonville. Uniforms, practice gear, practice equipment, video equipment etc.
  • If we assume two “tractor trailer” loads (one for "normal" road game gear, another for stuff needed to practice throughout the week, along with video equipment and what not) to transfer all of the equipment, we have
Two tractor trailers travelling 2,000 miles each (round trip) / Drivers for each rig – paying them for 5 nights of “down time”, and 5 nights of accommodations for each driver. Loading/unloading the equipment to be handle by the respective team managers, trainers, etc.

According to the trade association, the total costs to operate a tractor trailer (including driver salary) is $1.38 per mile. Lets be on the “fat” side, and double that to a cost to PSU of $2.76 per mile. Add in 5 days of pay/accommodations for the 2 drivers (at $350 per day….$200 downtime pay, $100 accommodation, $50 per diem)

Total costs to transport gear, and pay transport drivers for entire week =
$2.76/mile X 4,000 miles + 2 X $350 X 5 = $14,540




That brings our total up to $238,090

What else needs to be added in?

Special events - things like a trip to the local amusement park, trip to the beach, an evening dinner with the two teams (think the Fiesta Bowl encounter with Miami) - are generally provided by the bowl sponsors.
I assume PSU is allowed to give the kids a little spending cash for a night on the town type stuff.....so lets throw in $200 bucks per player in spending cash (though I am not 100% sure if that is NCAA allowed). That comes to $200 X 126 = $25,200.

That brings our total up to $263,290


What else?

We know that PSU is sending the Blue Band to JVille via bus, and they have a 2 night stay (maximum....it may only be one night....but lets go with two). Again, chartering transportation is a lot cheaper than going commercial, but even commercial rates (thank you Greyhound Information) are $160 per person round trip.
I am sure charters with Fullington would be a lot less....but lets use the commercial rates to be on the "fat" side.
Band members will be accommodated 2 to a room, and I don't know the exact hotel, but I think it is safe to assume the group rate at the selected hotel will be under $100 per night.

So, for 300 band members, travel and lodging:

$160 X 300 + 150 rooms (2 per room) X $100 X 2 = $78,000

Lets assume a full per diem of $50 per head (which is likely a high estimate):

$50 X 2 X 300 = $30,000

Total for Blue Band Travel, Accommodations, and per diem = $108,000

That brings our total up to $371,290



What else am I missing?

Is there anything even tangentially required that I am overlooking?


PSU receives a expense check from the B1G of $2,000,000. Is any of that going to be deposited back into the "general fund"? If not.....where-o-where is all that money going?

Well, we do know they chartered a jet that seats 2 1/2 times as many people as the entire football related entourage.
Either they were so fiscally imprudent as to charter a plane that was 2 1/2 times bigger than what they needed, and flew the plane at 40% capacity....which would be extremely wasteful
or
There WERE another couple of hundred asses in those seats, and, of course (unless those "asses" were going to wander the streets of JVille for 5 days) a couple hundred folks to lodge and feed for 5 days.
Who could those "asses" belong to, pray tell?

And how on Earth are those 200 "asses" going to squander $1,628,710 of that $2,000,000 expense check in just five days?
They are going to have to really focus in order to spend that kind of cash.


Of course, given that we are led by an Administration that has told us (repeatedly) that they have set the world standard in TRANSPARENCY.....I am sure we will get a full accounting - before they go and ask all the alums to chip in to the pot again.



"Thank you for your generous contributions to Penn State Athletics. Remember...IT'S FOR THE KIDS!!"
th

$800,000 per year.....plus bonuses and monthly "redecorating" fees

th


$1,200,000 per year....plus bonuses and complimentary speed reading lessons in order to review that Freeh Report

th


Appreciate the effort, Barry. All I can say is that if PSU is like most schools, it will go through most of the $2mm allotment, if not exceed it. That's the kind of financial management we're dealing with. Truth is nobody gives a shit, which is a sad state of affairs. Almost people want is to be able to crow about their football team, with the cost to their school for them to be able to do it be damned.
 
Appreciate the effort, Barry. All I can say is that if PSU is like most schools, it will go through most of the $2mm allotment, if not exceed it. That's the kind of financial management we're dealing with. Truth is nobody gives a shit, which is a sad state of affairs. Almost people want is to be able to crow about their football team, with the cost to their school for them to be able to do it be damned.
Oh Art, I agree 100%. I was just going through the exercise in the hopes of educating some of the mouth-breathers as to what really goes on with ICA dollars. The silly "Don Quixote Optimist" in me. :-(

I certainly wasn't very hopeful....I know the large majority are content to swill their Natty Lite and chant "409". Alas

And this is why/how this BS continues.....even as the hogs drive the ICA into financial distress.


409 Baby!!!!!!!!
 
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You've left out all the administrators - and there are a bunch. The Big Ten designates who can be part of the official party. It includes the AD, the university president, BOT members, etc. Typically the size of the official party gets well north of 500.
Exactly Lar....that was kinda' the point I was driving at (actually, it was EXACTLY the point).

In order to get there, I thought - "Lets see what actual football stuff would cost", as a way of highlighting that nonsense.


BTW - do you happen to have a listing of the "designated travel party" stuff? Know where I might find it?
 
Oh Art, I agree 100%. I was just going through the exercise in the hopes of educating some of the mouth-breathers as to what really goes on with ICA dollars. The silly "Don Quixote Optimist" in me. :-(

I certainly wasn't very hopeful....I know the large majority are content to swill their Natty Lite and chant "409". Alas

And this is why/how this BS continues.....even as the hogs drive the ICA into financial distress.


409 Baby!!!!!!!!

The only advice I can give is not to sweat this stuff. The next five or so years are going to be interesting and entertaining.
 
Penn State travels are in line with other power 5 schools. If you think that extravagant then it time for you to start following a d3 school because it simply not how it works at this level of football. These athletes make millions for the school and deserve first class treatment. The bottom line is the Big Ten gives them an allotment for the trip. You don't keep what you don't use.
 
Penn State travels are in line with other power 5 schools. If you think that extravagant then it time for you to start following a d3 school because it simply not how it works at this level of football. These athletes make millions for the school and deserve first class treatment. The bottom line is the Big Ten gives them an allotment for the trip. You don't keep what you don't use.
point is, Junior Mint here is trying to help edumacate all the 'mouth breathers' about how the bowl expenses are allocated. I think, but its hard to tell as he flips flops on this, he feels that flying the Blue Band to the game is a better allocation of funds, then sending all the Assistant AD's to the game, along with all the other support staff.

I really think he is trying to say, 'hey we have earned $2mm for this bowl, lets put some away for a rainy day', which I would agree with. That said, I think, but I am not sure (but I will take Uncle Lar word on this) that all the bowl money for the B1G teams goes into a pot and is divided equally (after expenses) among all teams. So in some respects, it like spent it or Iowa will.

At the end of the day, Junior Mint, doesn't really like Anne Saunders, and he really dislikes the way the BOT has pissed away money on the JS situation. Relative to the BOT etc , I agree, on Sandy, I say give her a chance.
 
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Ok, but the $200 per ticket price you quoted for commercial flights is exceptionally low. Maybe not my $1000 or so, but it's going to be much higher than that.
EXPEDIA is your friend. If you then can realize that if a commercial airline can make a profit at X dollars per head, chartering an entire plane is even cheaper.

FWIW....even chartering a 747 - with all the seats full - runs at approximately $200 per head for the 1 1/2 hour flight to JVille (25K per flight-hour X 1.5 hours X 2 divided by 416 = $180)

Even a "linky" for the Gen Y crowd:
http://www.paramountbusinessjets.com/aircraft/BOEING-747-400.html

Remember, Math is not your enemy. Embrace it.
 
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Ok, but the $200 per ticket price you quoted for commercial flights is exceptionally low. Maybe not my $1000 or so, but it's going to be much higher than that.
How are non revenue generating sports supported? Fencing,baseball,softball etc.? I am not taking sides,but if PSU does accrue 2M in bowl revenue.....is it to be treated as a windfall? I would be an advocate for all to be treated first class. However.this thread seems to have dengenerated into attacks on groups of adm.etc. I think those who are disturbed about The Blue Band being bussed have a point and deserve an explaination. No need at this point to denegrate some who may have no impact on that decision.
 
How are non revenue generating sports supported? Fencing,baseball,softball etc.? I am not taking sides,but if PSU does accrue 2M in bowl revenue.....is it to be treated as a windfall? I would be an advocate for all to be treated first class. However.this thread seems to have dengenerated into attacks on groups of adm.etc. I think those who are disturbed about The Blue Band being bussed have a point and deserve an explaination. No need at this point to denegrate some who may have no impact on that decision.
Obviously, things have devolved to a circle-jerk.

The issue of importance - which I would have thought to be obvious - is this, which I will re-post here, and then leave folks to their own devices. "You can EXPLAIN everything to a man, but you cannot make him UNDERSTAND anything":

"What possible good could come from exposing and eradicating this nonsense?

The answer - one of the answers, anyway - is this: With respect to governance of PSU (the BOT) what is one of our greatest failings? One of them is the presence of a large contingent of "cocktail party, celebrity wanna-bes"....folks who's desires are not to serve Penn State, but who view their seat on the BOT as nothing more or less than the opportunity to hob-nob with the elite, and to be treated like some kind of half-assed royalty.

In order to eliminate those folks - folks who cause GREAT harm to the University - one of the best remedies is to eliminate those things that motivate them to cling to these positions. This - this opulent orgy they receive - is just one of many items. But, it IS one of the items that they cling to and treasure dearly. Eliminate that, and you take away ONE of the defects that leads to the preponderance of these "cocktail party trustees."

You eliminate the stuff that motivates them to cling to these BOT seats - that motivates them to serve their Scoundrel masters - and you reduce the incentives for these folks to sit in positions where they can harm the University. These "orgy-perks" are a tool for the BOT Scoundrels to compensate their servants. They know that -and they USE those perks to their advantage. It is much to our DISADVANTAGE if we are ignorant or oblivious to the ways in which these enticements are used to impede proper governance of PSU....even IF it is but one of many tools used by the Scoundrels."
 
Teams eat meals in hotels except for special events. Try feeding football players at hotel meal. Meal rates for 71 bucks a day. Never happen. Prices are totally jacked up for hotel group/conf meal rates. Charter flight to Fl was probably 60-70K. Also have transportation costs around Jax with buses,etc. the money adds up very quickly. This is also a fundraising pop for PSU, a who,plea group of admins from development office will be down there too.

Some of that two up million also goes to expenses incurred by team in bowl prep in State College when school is out of session. Athletic dept must pay PSU dining services to feed these guys, keep dorms, apts open on campus, etc. from when last days of finals occurs to when they leave for the bowl game.

Whole lot of expenses goes into the bowl games.
 
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Teams eat meals in hotels except for special events. Try feeding football players at hotel meal. Meal rates for 71 bucks a day. Never happen. Prices are totally jacked up for hotel group/conf meal rates. Charter flight to Fl was probably 60-70K. Also have transportation costs around Jax with buses,etc. the money adds up very quickly. This is also a fundraising pop for PSU, a who,plea group of admins from development office will be down there too.

Some of that two up million also goes to expenses incurred by team in bowl prep in State College when school is out of session. Athletic dept must pay PSU dining services to feed these guys, keep dorms, apts open on campus, etc. from when last days of finals occurs to when they leave for the bowl game.

Whole lot of expenses goes into the bowl games.

Here is a breakdown of expenses from Tennessee who played in the bowl game last year.

KNOXVILLE – The University of Tennessee reported a TaxSlayer Bowl surplus of $164,811 on financial statements obtained by The Tennessean on Tuesday through a public records request.

Tennessee spent more than $1.25 million on the bowl game, from reimbursements for player travel back to Knoxville after the holidays to meals for the team in Jacksonville, Fla., where the Vols defeated Iowa in the Jan. 2 game.

But, thanks in large part to a $1.275 million participant distribution from the SEC, the university reported a surplus after its first bowl trip since 2010.

Tennessee also received a travel allowance from the SEC of $109,600, which helped to offset costs, which came to more than $290,000 on transportation alone. The football program also spent more than $200,000 on both hotel rooms and meals in Jacksonville.

Rounding out the revenues that totaled more than $1.4 million, Tennessee also received $34,280 from ticket fee income.

Besides bowl travel, Tennessee's greatest expenses were: travel for the band, which amounted to $133,299; equipment, apparel and awards for the bowl, which totaled $119,106; and $97,880 worth of tickets for the game, which went to player guests, the band and others.
http://www.tennessean.com/story/spo...04/07/tennessee-vols-taxslayer-bowl/25436523/
 
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Obviously, things have devolved to a circle-jerk.

The issue of importance - which I would have thought to be obvious - is this, which I will re-post here, and then leave folks to their own devices. "You can EXPLAIN everything to a man, but you cannot make him UNDERSTAND anything":

"What possible good could come from exposing and eradicating this nonsense?

The answer - one of the answers, anyway - is this: With respect to governance of PSU (the BOT) what is one of our greatest failings? One of them is the presence of a large contingent of "cocktail party, celebrity wanna-bes"....folks who's desires are not to serve Penn State, but who view their seat on the BOT as nothing more or less than the opportunity to hob-nob with the elite, and to be treated like some kind of half-assed royalty.

In order to eliminate those folks - folks who cause GREAT harm to the University - one of the best remedies is to eliminate those things that motivate them to cling to these positions. This - this opulent orgy they receive - is just one of many items. But, it IS one of the items that they cling to and treasure dearly. Eliminate that, and you take away ONE of the defects that leads to the preponderance of these "cocktail party trustees."

You eliminate the stuff that motivates them to cling to these BOT seats - that motivates them to serve their Scoundrel masters - and you reduce the incentives for these folks to sit in positions where they can harm the University. These "orgy-perks" are a tool for the BOT Scoundrels to compensate their servants. They know that -and they USE those perks to their advantage. It is much to our DISADVANTAGE if we are ignorant or oblivious to the ways in which these enticements are used to impede proper governance of PSU....even IF it is but one of many tools used by the Scoundrels."

The only thing the bot fought for when dealing with the NCAA? Their comped football tickets.
 
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The only thing the bot fought for when dealing with the NCAA? Their comped football tickets.
Which is VERY illuminating....isn't it.

And people think this cocktail party stuff isn't a "big deal"? This "stuff" is - clearly - more important to the BOT scoundrels than squandering hundreds of millions of dollars of OUR money, and selling the soul of the University down the river.

Yes, it is insane - but if it is THAT important to them......terminating it should be plenty important for anyone who would like to see proper governance at PSU.

"I hope folks will read this in its entirety, and understand what it means (and don't get all off-tangent as so often happens):

Is it insane to be so worked up about how the University spends $1 million or so to indulge the Scoundrels for a one-week opulence orgy down in JVIlle? Yes, in many ways, it is.

But, remember this:

When the NCAA Consent Decree was being handed down, when the NCAA said:

- Scholarship Reductions.....the Scoundrels said "OK"
- Bowl ban....the Scoundrels said "OK"
- $30 million fine....the Scoundrels said "OK"
...strike that, a $60 Million fine (just because)....the Scoundrels said "OK"

When the NCAA said "No more football comp tickets for BOT members"....the Scoundrels said " Hey, wait a minute, that's not fair. We won't go for that!"

If the Scoundrels and their Cocktail-Party-Toadies are willing to literally sell the University - and all those student-athletes - down the river, so long as they keep the "privilege" of their little Saturday cocktail parties.....what are they willing to do to maintain their one-week Bowl Orgy?

THAT is why this stuff is so important. The Scoundrels know how useful these tools are - allowing them to enlist the Toadies to do their bidding.

I hope people get that."
 
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Welcome to out entitlement society; don't even get me started, I'll blow a gasket.
 
Yea, like that.

Oh and I might as well add; the BOT has had an effect on the conjugation of verbs, so let us not forget the correct usage of the vowels i, a, and u in the assemblage of a new lexicon, presented to us by the illustrious leaders of the University.

shit, shat, and shut.
 
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Penn State travels are in line with other power 5 schools. If you think that extravagant then it time for you to start following a d3 school because it simply not how it works at this level of football. These athletes make millions for the school and deserve first class treatment. The bottom line is the Big Ten gives them an allotment for the trip. You don't keep what you don't use.

Nice try, but schools get to keep what they don't spend.
 
point is, Junior Mint here is trying to help edumacate all the 'mouth breathers' about how the bowl expenses are allocated. I think, but its hard to tell as he flips flops on this, he feels that flying the Blue Band to the game is a better allocation of funds, then sending all the Assistant AD's to the game, along with all the other support staff.

I really think he is trying to say, 'hey we have earned $2mm for this bowl, lets put some away for a rainy day', which I would agree with. That said, I think, but I am not sure (but I will take Uncle Lar word on this) that all the bowl money for the B1G teams goes into a pot and is divided equally (after expenses) among all teams. So in some respects, it like spent it or Iowa will.

At the end of the day, Junior Mint, doesn't really like Anne Saunders, and he really dislikes the way the BOT has pissed away money on the JS situation. Relative to the BOT etc , I agree, on Sandy, I say give her a chance.

You're easily confused, but that's nothing new.
 
well if I am confused, explain to us how the bowl money is divided up among the B1G teams. TIA

Why are your bringing "bowl money", the term commonly used for the money that the bowls pay conferences in return for the participation of the conferences' schools in the bowl game, into a discussion of the expenses schools incur by participating in those games? You do know the difference between revenues and expenses? On second thought......
 
I taught at another D-1 university prior to my current position. A few weeks prior to the bowl game, the Athletic Department sent a solicitation to faculty and staff asking for donations so that coaches wives and children would have some "extra spending money" during the week. I am completely serious....
 
Why are your bringing "bowl money", the term commonly used for the money that the bowls pay conferences in return for the participation of the conferences' schools in the bowl game, into a discussion of the expenses schools incur by participating in those games? You do know the difference between revenues and expenses? On second thought......
so you don't know how the bowl money is divided up?? I contend that controlling expenses doesn't significantly increase your bowl revenue that you get to keep. I think all the B1G bowl money is thrown into one big pot. The B1G bowl expenses are thrown into another big pot , the net (what is left over, if you are having trouble understanding that word) is then divided among all the B1G teams. So If I do a good job of managing my expenses, and Iowa does a poor job (that is the Iowa remark) does it really mean I will have significantly more money at the end of the day?? ( as you know anything I save is actually spread among the other 11 B1G teams)
 
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