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Pull Hall's Shirt, JG Sucks, and <10 AAs is unacceptable Thread

This thread is actually quite similar to another discussion I had. As a Penn State fan, my expectation is for Sat. Night to look like a Penn State dual with 10 finalists. Realistically, it could be 8 AAs and 4 finalists or 4 AAs and 4 finalist. But as a fan, I'm not out for someone to claw through wrestlebacks. The very definition of fanatic dictates that I exhibit some time of unquantifiable belief. That being said, 10 national champs or bust,
 
Wanting Hall in the lineup is the equivalent of saying JG sucks or demanding 10 AAs? Some people seriously have their head in the sand as too how close this year is going to be. I suspect Cael agrees with this assessment but his hands are tied on the issue.

The similarity doesn't arise because of the equivalent reasonableness of the arguments, but rather from the frequency with which the respective opinions are stated in various threads.
 
PRACTICE? Did you say PRACTICE?

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I guess this is where I bitch about the schedule too. No scuffle? Really? Also need to pull Hall's shirt, insert Moss, Get Carr,flip Teasdale,Get snacks and Gable,get all future duals at home and on BIG network, and most importantly give Spyker some say in what goes on around here. Did I miss anything?
you meant SPYKER.....
 
Topics that also need to be added to thread:

Did Cael pass on Chance or vice versa?

Should we lift Nico's & Zain's redshirts?

Why did Cael "lie" to Thomas Haines ?

Why did we skip the Scuffle ?

McIntosh is homesick and not on campus ... why don't we just recruit PA kids ????!!

Bo is selfish for jumping to 184 & his teammates now hate him.

What's wrong with the Altons' gastanks??

Garrett Hammonds needs to go NCAA for bonus points !!

Why did Cael only have 1 HWT ?! Now we need a walk-on LB !!

Why are we sending James English to Big Tens ??!!!

Why in the world are we scheduling _________ ????!!! (Rider / Binghamton / Utah State, etc )

Cael is dodging National Duals again !!!
 
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Good ones! A few more:
- Spencer Lee should sit out the year due to shoulder surgery.
- How long until Cassar returns from shoulder surgery?
- Bo Jordan would be our starting 174 if we played less dodgeball.
 
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Good comedy, guys -- just what the doctor ordered.

On a more serious note -- to those who have been stating in various threads that we need to pull Hall's shirt because we are "behind" in the "polls" -- expect PSU to be #1 in the Intermat Tournament Rankings tomorrow.

Not only is the current roster climbing the rankings, but it is improving in experience and performance. Think NS, VJ, & NN. Now just imagine if JC heals up and starts moving up the ladder. You just might see why this isn't a January decision.

EDIT: I may have made a premature call on the Intermat rankings, was not remembering one of them correctly. Regardless, PSU outscores OSU in bonus by much more than 2.5 pts. The next 2 weeks could bring some interesting adjustments.
 
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Good comedy, guys -- just what the doctor ordered.

On a more serious note -- to those who have been stating in various threads that we need to pull Hall's shirt because we are "behind" in the "polls" -- expect PSU to be #1 in the Intermat Tournament Rankings tomorrow.

Not only is the current roster climbing the rankings, but it is improving in experience and performance. Think NS, VJ, & NN. Now just imagine if JC heals up and starts moving up the ladder. You just might see why this isn't a January decision.
JC heals up? Holy cow batman, how did we get Jordan Conaway a 6th year?
Any possibility we can pull Mason Manville's gray shrit and plug him in at 141.
A starting 3 of Nick Suriano, Jordan Conaway and Mason Manville should take some of the pressure of Cael to yank that shirt off Mark's back.

I love this thread. Thanks slush
 
JC heals up? Holy cow batman, how did we get Jordan Conaway a 6th year?
Any possibility we can pull Mason Manville's gray shrit and plug him in at 141.
A starting 3 of Nick Suriano, Jordan Conaway and Mason Manville should take some of the pressure of Cael to yank that shirt off Mark's back.

I love this thread. Thanks slush
Can't believe I forgot "Manville decommitting" as a thread topic.
 
Good comedy, guys -- just what the doctor ordered.

On a more serious note -- to those who have been stating in various threads that we need to pull Hall's shirt because we are "behind" in the "polls" -- expect PSU to be #1 in the Intermat Tournament Rankings tomorrow.

Not only is the current roster climbing the rankings, but it is improving in experience and performance. Think NS, VJ, & NN. Now just imagine if JC heals up and starts moving up the ladder. You just might see why this isn't a January decision.

EDIT: I may have made a premature call on the Intermat rankings, was not remembering one of them correctly. Regardless, PSU outscores OSU in bonus by much more than 2.5 pts. The next 2 weeks could bring some interesting adjustments.
Per Intermat, we're now within 1.5. I think we make that up.
 
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AI really got a bad rap for that. He had one of his best friends die unexpectedly that day. Why he even subjected himself to the inanity of the press conference is beyond me. We all probably would have responded to the idiotic questions he was asked in a much less nice manner.
AI's answer was a nice window into his "own drummer" way of thinking. It probably endeared him to his fans, more than anything, especially in retrospect. When Iverson gets flak for revealing his true feelings, that's par for the course for him, not really a bad rap. I respect him for being honest. [But I still do not respect "honest" "long bus ride" excuse revealers. Excuses, however legitimate, still have to be kept private after a loss. :)]
 
Bump.

Did Cael mention this thread in the radio show ?

I bet Spyker gave him a heads up.
 
Gulibon to 133. Moss and Cortez can wrestle off at 141. As of now it looks like JC and JG are not scoring many if any points at the big dance. Drop Gulibon back down and boom we have a definite AA there. Of course he probably did not certify for 133 so this plan is useless than.
 
Gulibon to 133. Moss and Cortez can wrestle off at 141. As of now it looks like JC and JG are not scoring many if any points at the big dance. Drop Gulibon back down and boom we have a definite AA there. Of course he probably did not certify for 133 so this plan is useless than.
Even if that's feasible -- and we don't know if he certified there -- it's fraught with problems:

1. This is his 2nd year at 141. Why should we think he can just drop back down to 133 with no problems? He didn't just go to The Creamery one offseason and add 8 lb there. The additional weight is lean mass. Plus Cortez is coming off injury and would be undersized at 141. So we're likely weakening 2 weights.

2. If Jimmy doesn't get to 133 by 2/15, he's stuck at 141. That means he must start dropping NOW. (OK, theoretically he could wait until next week, but then he would have under 4 ounces of wiggle room.) That uncertainty puts Cortez in limbo -- he can't commit to 141 until he's certain Gulibon can make 133. If Gulibon and Cortez both miss 133, then Carpenter is your B10 Tournament starter at 133.

3. If they pull it off, then they will lose auto-qualifying spots for the conference at their weights. And they will not get at-large bids due to lack of matches at their new weights. They MUST earn their way to nationals. If they don't place high enough at B10s, they're out.

(Lack of matches: per NCAA weight loss restrictions, the earliest Gulibon could possibly wrestle at 133 is 2/10 vs. Illinois -- meaning he would have max 3 matches at that weight prior to B10s. His opponents would be Richards, Rappo, and possibly Brock -- meaning his official record would be 1-2 heading into B10s. Cortez could theoretically have 8 matches at 141 prior to B10s -- if he's healthy, Cael thinks there's no risk at starting him now off injury vs. bigger guys, and if Cael is OK with deliberately starting Carpenter until Gulibon makes 133.)

4. And if they do qualify, they'll be unseeded with random first-round draws, again due to lack of matches. We could see Round 1 matchups like Gulibon vs. Tomasello, Cortez vs. McKenna, etc.

Huge risk for little reward.
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Even if that's feasible -- and we don't know if he certified there -- it's fraught with problems:

1. This is his 2nd year at 141. Why should we think he can just drop back down to 133 with no problems? He didn't just go to The Creamery one offseason and add 8 lb there. The additional weight is lean mass. Plus Cortez is coming off injury and would be undersized at 141. So we're likely weakening 2 weights.

2. If Jimmy doesn't get to 133 by 2/15, he's stuck at 141. That means he must start dropping NOW. (OK, theoretically he could wait until next week, but then he would have under 4 ounces of wiggle room.) That uncertainty puts Cortez in limbo -- he can't commit to 141 until he's certain Gulibon can make 133. If Gulibon and Cortez both miss 133, then Carpenter is your B10 Tournament starter at 133.

3. If they pull it off, then they will lose auto-qualifying spots for the conference at their weights. And they will not get at-large bids due to lack of matches at their new weights. They MUST earn their way to nationals. If they don't place high enough at B10s, they're out.

(Lack of matches: per NCAA weight loss restrictions, the earliest Gulibon could possibly wrestle at 133 is 2/10 vs. Illinois -- meaning he would have max 3 matches at that weight prior to B10s. His opponents would be Richards, Rappo, and possibly Brock -- meaning his official record would be 1-2 heading into B10s. Cortez could theoretically have 8 matches at 141 prior to B10s -- if he's healthy, Cael thinks there's no risk at starting him now off injury vs. bigger guys, and if Cael is OK with deliberately starting Carpenter until Gulibon makes 133.)

4. And if they do qualify, they'll be unseeded with random first-round draws, again due to lack of matches. We could see Round 1 matchups like Gulibon vs. Tomasello, Cortez vs. McKenna, etc.

Huge risk for little reward.

There you go again el jefe, bringing up facts as if they actually mattered on a message board. :rolleyes:
 
Topics that also need to be added to thread:

Did Cael pass on Chance or vice versa?

Should we lift Nico's & Zain's redshirts?

Why did Cael "lie" to Thomas Haines ?

Why did we skip the Scuffle ?

McIntosh is homesick and not on campus ... why don't we just recruit PA kids ????!!

Bo is selfish for jumping to 184 & his teammates now hate him.

What's wrong with the Altons' gastanks??

Garrett Hammonds needs to go NCAA for bonus points !!

Why did Cael only have 1 HWT ?! Now we need a walk-on LB !!

Why are we sending James English to Big Tens ??!!!

Why in the world are we scheduling _________ ????!!! (Rider / Binghamton / Utah State, etc )

Cael is dodging National Duals again !!!

Hahaha! Add "Quentin Wright's girlfriend is making him soft. Cael needs to outlaw gfs."
 
So what is the other lineup changes they hinted at a few minutes later.

My 2 guesses -

197 - Cassar for Mouse
174 - possibly pull Hall's shirt, or use Rasheed instead of Morelli (though I wouldn't call Rasheed getting the gig a lineup change given how interchangeably they've been used in the past)
 
I don't know about all of this nonsense you are taking about, but Smack would've been an undefeated 4-timer at his natural weight of 174
 
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My 2 guesses -

197 - Cassar for Mouse
174 - possibly pull Hall's shirt, or use Rasheed instead of Morelli (though I wouldn't call Rasheed getting the gig a lineup change given how interchangeably they've been used in the past)

Maybe they will declare Nick Lee graduated from a homeschool program and enroll him at PSU to man the 141 spot.
 
Actually, I hear that spyker hit the weights HARD this past year, and not ever having attended college, decided to enroll at PSU this past fall. He has 4-years of eligibility, not including a redshirt year (he would never use it, anyway). And HE'S BEEN GOING TO PRACTICE!!! You should see how he gets the best of JG in the room. HE IS READY GUYS!!!!....Big things coming!!!!!!!!!!
 
Actually, I hear that spyker hit the weights HARD this past year, and not ever having attended college, decided to enroll at PSU this past fall. He has 4-years of eligibility, not including a redshirt year (he would never use it, anyway). And HE'S BEEN GOING TO PRACTICE!!! You should see how he gets the best of JG in the room. HE IS READY GUYS!!!!....Big things coming!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, but if Spyker is practicing he can't also be watching practice, so did practice even happen? Tough one.
 
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