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question about linebacker depth

marshall23

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I sometimes look at 247 to determine a recruits composite ratings etc. In looking at Ellis Brooks I noticed the legend that indicates how many recruits at that position each school has and in addition how many at that position they have on the roster. If that info is accurate PSU is about average in terms of LB's on the roster and recruits. Am I missing something? Is this not accurate? I was actually surprised to see this, given all the bitching and moaning on this site. Could it be that with all the spread offenses that LB's are somewhat obsolete? Honest question.
 
We've got three scholarship guys on the entire roster- Cabinda, Smith, and Cooper - who you would look at and say:
"His ideal position would be as a box linebacker (or whatever term one wants to use.....a guy who lines up and plays down in the tackle box)"

It is what it is.

Maybe a guy like Brown, or Bowen or whomever will be able to play down in there successfully in 2017 (much like Givens and CCothren made a successful transition from DE to DT in 2016)

But we are certainly short wrt the roster at that position.
Recognizing that or not, doesn't really change anything though - the staff, clearly, recruited just about every possible "box LBer" recruit throughout the region (and some from scattered parts of the country).

There is only so much you can do - and sometimes a confluence of events (and kids' decisions) just doesn't go your way - - - -and the staff has to adapt and make lemonade out of lemons (for lack of a better analogy)

They've been pretty good at doing that thus far......including at DT and all along the offensive line last year

An offensive line throughout the latter half of the season - and in the Rose bowl - of:
LT - Fr switched on the fly from OG
LG - Fr
C - Sr
RG - Fr
RT - So switched on the fly from OG
And put up 49 points on USC (and an average of 46 per game over the second half of the season....that's really crazy when you think about it)

And - throughout the year - a DT rotation of:

Jr .... Jr switched from DE .... Fr switched from DE ....Fr ....1st Year JuCo

And managed the 4th rated defense in the B1G...including the 4th lowest YPC against the rush

If they can put together something at LB for 2017 - - - - that is even close to as successful as what they got at DT and OL in 2016, that would be a hell of a job.


In the meantime....all they can do is what they are doing.
Trying to find an Box LBer late in this recruiting year....and spreading a very wide net for next year's class.
 
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I sometimes look at 247 to determine a recruits composite ratings etc. In looking at Ellis Brooks I noticed the legend that indicates how many recruits at that position each school has and in addition how many at that position they have on the roster. If that info is accurate PSU is about average in terms of LB's on the roster and recruits. Am I missing something? Is this not accurate? I was actually surprised to see this, given all the bitching and moaning on this site. Could it be that with all the spread offenses that LB's are somewhat obsolete? Honest question.
The incoming LBs are all about 6'1", 200 lbs and need to be redshirted. Koa Farmer is a STAR LB, while Cabinda and Brandon Smith are inside and skinny Cameron Brown is the Will. Bell is a big loss, and losing Rivers loses depth.
 
The incoming LBs are all about 6'1", 200 lbs and need to be redshirted. Koa Farmer is a STAR LB, while Cabinda and Brandon Smith are inside and skinny Cameron Brown is the Will. Bell is a big loss, and losing Rivers loses depth.
Where would we be without the insights of our "21 Guns of Dixie"?
 
I sometimes look at 247 to determine a recruits composite ratings etc. In looking at Ellis Brooks I noticed the legend that indicates how many recruits at that position each school has and in addition how many at that position they have on the roster. If that info is accurate PSU is about average in terms of LB's on the roster and recruits. Am I missing something? Is this not accurate? I was actually surprised to see this, given all the bitching and moaning on this site. Could it be that with all the spread offenses that LB's are somewhat obsolete? Honest question.

247 provides some great information, but the "how many on the roster" is not of much value to me. Teams regularly move recruits to new positions and then there is the "Athlete" recruit that settles into a position as he practices with the team. I doubt that 247 goes to updated rosters and updates their database. For example we know that CJF recruited B. Franklin to play LB, possibly MLB as he played LB and DT in high school, but 247 lists him as an "Athlete". Does he get counted by 247 as a LB on their potential roster and recruits summary? So I find that info pretty much worthless.

Do your own examination of the PSU roster taking into account that with 85 scholarships allowed and a couple given to kickers, that leaves about 83 for position players. 83/22 x 3 LB positions (PSU plays 3 LB's in a 4-3 defense, of the 22 position players), and we should have about 11 scholarship LB's on the roster. We have 7 returning SCHOLARSHIP LB's (Smith, Cabinda, Bowen, Brown, Thomas, Farmer, Cooper), not counting Miller who I expect to move back to Safety and Toney, who was still at DE at last report. And we also have a couple of solid walk on's that may contribute down the line, including Johnson and the incoming Chizmar. But to get to 11 true scholarship LB's we would need 4 true LB recruits. Maybe the coaches want 10 total (due to emphasis on pass defense, nickle DB's, etc, along with need to carry 5 QB's), so that would be 3 true LB recruits needed in the 2017 class.
 
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247 provides some great information, but the "how many on the roster" is not of much value to me. Teams regularly move recruits to new positions and then there is the "Athlete" recruit that settles into a position as he practices with the team. I doubt that 247 goes to updated rosters and updates their database. For example we know that CJF recruited B. Franklin to play LB, possibly MLB as he played LB and DT in high school, but 247 lists him as an "Athlete". Does he get counted by 247 as a LB on their potential roster and recruits summary? So I find that info pretty much worthless.

Do your own examination of the PSU roster taking into account that with 85 scholarships allowed and a couple given to kickers, that leaves about 83 for position players. 83/22 x 3 LB positions (PSU plays 3 LB's in a 4-3 defense, of the 22 position players), and we should have about 11 scholarship LB's on the roster. We have 7 returning scholarship LB's (Smith, Cabinda, Bowen, Brown, Thomas, Farmer, Cooper), not counting Miller who I expect to move back to Safety and Toney, who was still at DE at last report. And we also have a couple of solid walk on's that may contribute down the line, including Johnson and the incoming Chizmar. But to get to 11 true scholarship LB's we would need 4 true LB recruits. Maybe the coaches want 10 total (due to emphasis on pass defense, nickle DB's, etc, along with need to carry 5 QB's), so that would be 3 true LB recruits needed in the 2017 class.

We have two different reads on Johnson - BWI/Phil reported he gave up FB, but this roster has him still on team if accurate. who knows.

totally agree we need a 3 LB class where all of them are at least physically able to see the field in 2017 and not need some type of red shirt year to get ready. even if they are green, we need some guys who can go out and not get pushed around. we already have alot of the LB list that are still under development.
 
We've got three scholarship guys on the entire roster- Cabinda, Smith, and Cooper - who you would look at and say:
"His ideal position would be as a box linebacker (or whatever term one wants to use.....a guy who lines up and plays down in the tackle box)"

Add the fact that Cabinda & Smith will be seniors and Cooper's health status is unknown.
 
Add the fact that Cabinda & Smith will be seniors and Cooper's health status is unknown.
I can't imagine that situation isn't at or near the top of the staff's "Shit we are real concerned about" list

Nothing they can do but......do everything they can:
1 - Try to find a quality guy to close out 2017
2 - Consider who from the existing roster might be able to plug in there - - - and then get them as "ready" as possible
3 - Scour the country looking for "immediately ready to contribute" kids for the 2018 class

They've shown - over the last 3 years - that they will do just that
 
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We have two different reads on Johnson - BWI/Phil reported he gave up FB, but this roster has him still on team if accurate. who knows.

totally agree we need a 3 LB class where all of them are at least physically able to see the field in 2017 and not need some type of red shirt year to get ready. even if they are green, we need some guys who can go out and not get pushed around. we already have alot of the LB list that are still under development.

Not sure what you were referring to. But I don't expect all of the 2017 class LB recruits (Faison-Walden, Franklin, and possibly a 3rd) to play as true freshmen. It's just not realistic. With Faison-Walden's early enrollment he would have the best shot at contributing immediately. And a top recruit at MLB such as Brooks could possibly play. But we are stacked at MLB for 2017 with Cabinda and Smith, and with Brown getting experience in 2017 combined with the muscle he will put on this off season we really have plenty of OLB's for 2017 as well, especially if Faison-Walden plays.

B. Franklin will really need time in the S&C program before he can be effective. He has a nice frame that will develop over his time at PSU to make him an OLB or in the longer run possibly a MLB. But I believe he will redshirt in 2017.

And why waste a year of eligibility for a player like Brooks, reportedly a true MLB, sitting on the bench behind Cabinda and Smith.
 
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