quick Q on rules
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This is the threshold of what is considered excessive. Look for Robby Howard to test those boundaries in the future.
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I agree with you and if you watched BeauBars extra match against Mattin, the MIchigan kid was throwing some real roundhouse head slaps at Beau.
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Since we’re discussing rules, while watching the PSU/Michigan dual I was getting very frustrated watching the 149 pound match. And I don’t have a dog in the fight (gopher fan) so I feel like my frustration is purely objective.
Seemed to me thatalmost the entire third period Barraclough was standing up and trying to free himself, while Storr was just gripped around his waist holding on. I was under the impression that it was 5 seconds before they were called for stalling if they don’t return them or let go. Am I wrong? Because Storr should have been dinged multiple times.
Seemed to me thatalmost the entire third period Barraclough was standing up and trying to free himself, while Storr was just gripped around his waist holding on. I was under the impression that it was 5 seconds before they were called for stalling if they don’t return them or let go. Am I wrong? Because Storr should have been dinged multiple times.
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The Penn State Nittany Lions (4-0, 4-0 B1G), ranked No. 3 in the latest InterMat Tournament Power Index, took down No. 2 Michigan (4-1, 4-1 B1G) for another Big Ten road win. The Nittany Lions won 18-13 in a dual meet rescheduled from Feb. 7. All team and individual rankings listed are InterMat...
There is nothing specific in the rules about returning the bottom wrestler to the mat so it is a judgment call by the ref. Below would be the relevant section of the rules that a ref could apply to call stalling on the top wrestler in that situation.
Art. 2. Initiating Action. Action is to be maintained throughout the match by the wrestlers staying near the center of the mat and wrestling aggressively in all positions (top, bottom or neutral). Competitors charged with stalling shall be penalized according to the penalty sequence in Rule 5.7.3.
I was wondering myself if the Michigan team had attended Rutgers Head Slap Academy.
They are there. Titled "Penn State at Michigan: Exhibition Matches".
I have seen no emphasis (in the rulebook, interpretations, or the casebook) since the hands-to-the-face rules were changed several years ago. At that time, it's my opinion that clubbing, for lack of a better term, was minimized. It's also my opinion that it is back and needs to stop. We have noticed the same thing you have.
The threshold for a warning, and maybe a penalty point later, is going to be different ref-to-ref, but what I have noticed is beyond reasonable. I was surprised it wasn't called in several bouts.
Didnt they just change the rules to limit the head slaps a couple yrs ago; for awhile there it seemd they wer warning kids all the time.
Must be back-sliding on it.
Aah I'm too slow for the genie.
Must be back-sliding on it.
Aah I'm too slow for the genie.
Also, it seemed that Massa essentially head butted the back of Starocci’s head every time there was a restart while he (Massa) started in the top position.
He got cautioned for it the first time, but not any of the subsequent identical times. It was annoying to watch.
The first rule of Rutgers Fight Club ...
Yep. That's one of my gigs. I have been saying "Dr. Howard Dr. Fine Dr. Howard" - Moe, Larry and Curly since we landed Robbie as a recruit.
Few things make me happier than big new recruits like Beau, Facundo, Robbie and SVN, but the stooges are one of them.
I am sure the board thinks this one is getting pretty long in the tooth, but I still laugh after many decades of eye poking. 4 more years of this one, to I'll try to keep it relevant.
I need to search the archives for stuff tied to the other kids coming in.
I agree, that match should have ended sooner against Massa for 3 cautions and a point for Carter.
Did you also catch how the ref tried to award the riding time point to Massa at the end of regulation when he had 58 seconds? The score table had to intervene.
the ref in that match was either incompetent or a home boy, perhaps both. last name was witvoit, i think.
Do all matches wrestled count towards the 4 needed for conference and/or at large selections or is it only matches wrestled at the weight class you wrestle at the conference tournament and NCAA Championship?
Edit: I found the answer. The 4 matches have to be wrestled at your conference qualifying weight.
So Bartlett will not have 4 matches at 149 as the current schedule plays out.
Edit: I found the answer. The 4 matches have to be wrestled at your conference qualifying weight.
So Bartlett will not have 4 matches at 149 as the current schedule plays out.
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He still could get 4. Do a extra match against Ohio St. Wrestle the Maryland dual and get a extra match. The issue is beating Barraclough. He could get 5 if he wrestled Sasso. Barraclough has 3 matches at 149 so he could use 1 more just to be safe
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The 4 matches is not a problem for any of our guys because if they participate in the BIG tournament they will get at least 4 matches. The only exception would be someone who gets a bye in the first round (byes go to #1 & #2 seeds) but no one that enters BIG with no matches (think Kerk) is going to get a #1 or #2 seed.
Thanks for clearing this up. I thought the rule was 4 matches where needed to enter the conference Championship's, not NCAA. Is there any truth to, if you enter Conference Championships with 0 matches that you have to place 1st to go to NCAA? I have seen that a couple times. I cant see that making sense.
Wrestler with less than 4 matches would not be eligible for a pre-allocated spot for their conference, nor would they be considered for at-large selections. A wrestler who wins the conference championship with less than 4 matches may retain that AQ spot. If the second place finisher in a weight class does not have 4 matches, but the third place finisher does have 4 matches, the third place finisher can be awarded the pre-allocated spot, as the second place finisher is not eligible. The pre-allocated spots belong to the respective conferences to award.
What SWPA said. However as I said before it is VERY unlikely for anyone to finish 2nd at BIGs with a bye (so they would only have 3 matches) if they entered BIGs with ZERO matches wrestled.
The part in bold underline is directly from the Selection Criteria Grid from the NCAA. See here...
Massa was always a very respected and respectable wrestlers up to this year. He is wrestling with a chip on his shoulder and the headbutt to the back of the head from referees position was also happening in the fOSU match with same result. Caution then no call.
The only PSU wrestler that I worry about is Kerk, and that is only assuming he is able to come back for BIGs, which I know might be a long shot. Is there any chance he enters BIGs with 0 matches, finishes 2nd or 3rd with less than 4 bouts and doesn't qualify? I know a lot has to happen to even be in that situation, but is it mathematically possible in the bracket?
No, Kerk would get a minimum of 4 matches at BIGs. unless they somehow seeded him #1 or #2 and he made the finals, in which case he would have only 3 matches.
I know the rules don't mandate it, but are people really expecting the conference to not grant one of the pre-allocated spots to someone who finishes 2nd at the conference tournament?
