Ohio State, the most BS "national champ" in 34 years

[SR108]

They beat Tennessee, Oregon, Texas and Notre Dame, I think they certainly earned the National Championship, probably much more than any other past National Champion, which were either voted on or had to play only two games. They earned it in a 16 game season, which in my mind is cut and dried.

Congratulations to them, they certainly earned it.

 

[MacNit2.0]

This is the most ridiculous thread I’ve ever seen. For 35 years we have been subjected to the most BS “picking” of a Mythical National Champion. IMO, it made CFB look sillly.

We now have an actual playoff where a team beat the best of the best…..and is the First Actual Bonfide National Champion. I hate OSU but they won this on the field. Done. Bring on next year.

Does anyone really think things will be different next year?

 

[Pale ryder]

The historical comparison for 2024 Ohio State is probably 1990 Colorado. Colorado had a legitimate claim to #1 - until you examine their season carefully. Colorado, like Ohio State, had two non-wins: a loss to Illinois and a tie with Tennessee. Colorado, like Ohio State, had two screwjob "wins": one was the notorious Fifth Down against Missouri, and the other was the infamous phantom clipping against ND in the Orange Bowl. For Ohio State, the two screwjob wins in 2024 were Penn State and especially Nebraska.

I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but Rocket Ismail giving Lou Holtz the thumbs up, then scoring what should have been the winning TD, is seriously some of the coolest s*** ever.

I've recounted the PSU game before, but, to repeat briefly: the ridiculous standing up wrong penalty against Zion Tracy was worth 7 points; the Judkins fumble overturn was worth 3 points and probably more since PSU would have had the ball at the OSU 43; and the egregious and uncalled DPI by Caleb Downs on Dinkins on 4th and goal cost us another 4 plays from the 1 (and, remember, if not for the Tracy penalty and the Judkins overturn, Penn State would have been leading the game, not trailing by 7).

But the Nebraska game was even more ridiculous. Matt Rhule spent the entire game shaking his head at the laughably one-sided standards for officiating in that game. Go watch it yourself if you don't believe me. Uncalled false starts, uncalled holds, uncalled DPIs, a debatably correct catch overturn, a "winning" INT for Ohio State set up by an uncalled PI, an infamous bad spot (off by over a yard and a half) that cost Nebraska at least 30 seconds and a timeout ... that game had everything imaginable to get Ohio State to the playoff.

So that's the 2024 Buckeyes. They were the best team out of the 12 in the playoff, but they didn't deserve to be one of those 12.

And the problem is that as long as fans continue to have this attitude of, well, it doesn't matter what the refs do, you need to find a way to win, Big Ten officiating will continue to decline and the great favorites - Ohio State and Michigan - will continue to the benefit of the detriment of the sport. And don't believe for one minute it's coincidence that Michigan beat Ohio State but Nebraska didn't. Nebraska's defense held Ohio State to even worse rushing numbers but Michigan's the only team that will, in the Big Ten, consistently get reasonably two-sided officiating against Ohio State.

"You're killing our sport!" - Cael Sanderson

Child PLEASE!!!!!! You're making all PSU fans look like fools. You seriously need to stop.

 

[LandoComando]

Does anyone really think things will be different next year?

They should be...preseason top 5...high expectations. Franklin and his staff (if we ever get a DC) have to contend for a title. They should. We'll find out if we will.

 

[Lion_Backer]

Child PLEASE!!!!!! You're making all PSU fans look like fools. You seriously need to stop.

The previous poster is only wrong because the times have changed. The 'MNC' is no longer an entire season achievement award as it (mostly) was in the BCS era and before.

By virtue of winning the entire tournament in convincing fashion definitely indicates that they deserved to qualify for the 12 team playoff invitational (because that's what it is).

The poster is probably correct in that the previous systems would not have afforded OSU the opportunity to even compete for the championship.

The new system is apples to oranges from the previous one in how an eventual national champion is established.

 

[Cowbell Man]

The poster is probably correct in that the previous systems would not have afforded OSU the opportunity to even compete for the championship.

The new system is apples to oranges from the previous one in how an eventual national champion is established

the previous system wasn’t even a championship. It was an invitational. At least once, the winner didn’t beat the champion of any other league. The previous system let champions stay at home. The previous system even ignored undefeated teams. The previous system would have left out most of this years semi finalists. This year….literally proving a strong likelihood that many/most of the “champions” of the past 35 years wouldn’t have been….

This thread is whining at the highest level.

 

[Lion_Backer]

the previous system wasn’t even a championship. It was an invitational. At least once, the winner didn’t beat the champion of any other league. The previous system let champions stay at home. The previous system even ignored undefeated teams. The previous system would have left out most of this years semi finalists. This year….literally proving a strong likelihood that many/most of the “champions” of the past 35 years wouldn’t have been….

This thread is whining at the highest level.

The flaws in the previous system combined with the strong appetite for additional revenues from the major universities in college football has led us to where we are now.

Stating that because of OSU's 2 regular season losses this year that they would not have qualified to participate in that system to determine the MNC is accurate, and I stand by my statement.

My point in stating that the current system is an invitational was to highlight the fact that the invitational portion has not changed despite going to a 'playoff format'.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Did Conewago and Bushie somehow swap their meds? That might explain a lot of things.

 

[indynittany]

It seems to me that OSU's season is much like a wild card team winning the Super Bowl. I congratulate them. They overcame a lot, not the least of which was enormous expectations. I hope CJF, Drew and the rest will learn from OSU's story.

 

[rrdd2021]

Oh, yeah, draft class, that's indicative of the best team, just ask 1986 Miami or 2019 and 2015 Ohio State.

Is anyone here going to prove my assertions wrong? That Ohio State was saved from 8-4 by bad calls? Can you find similar high leverage calls that went AGAINST Ohio State in those games? No, you can't.

Did 91 Washington, 94 PSU, 95 Nebraska, 99 FSU, 01 Miami, 04 USC, 19 LSU, heck, you fill in the blank, did those teams need a bunch of BS reffing to win natties? No, they did not.

The refs will not get better in this conference because fans like ours are too gutless to demand the AD do something about it.

Proving it on the field - with a 4-game beatdown is - end of story, You sound like a jealous little kid that can't convince others

 

[psuno1]

OSU had the most talent, but they were 4th in the BIG10 behind Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. One reason to only have an 8 team playoff -OSU should have never had a shot at the Natty after losing to UM, regular season losses should count for something especially on the last week of the year to your biggest rival, but hats of to them they proved it on the field.

 

[ryoder1]

I just like the OP post because it really pisses off Lando.

 

[rrdd2021]

OSU had the most talent, but they were 4th in the BIG10 behind Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. One reason to only have an 8 team playoff -OSU should have neve had a shot at the Natty after losing to UM, regular season losses should count for something especially on the last week of the year to your biggest rival, but hats of to them they proved it on the field.

Agree 100%. Which is how a NC should be recognized not through some popularity poll like in the past

 

[dmaw]

The historical comparison for 2024 Ohio State is probably 1990 Colorado. Colorado had a legitimate claim to #1 - until you examine their season carefully. Colorado, like Ohio State, had two non-wins: a loss to Illinois and a tie with Tennessee. Colorado, like Ohio State, had two screwjob "wins": one was the notorious Fifth Down against Missouri, and the other was the infamous phantom clipping against ND in the Orange Bowl. For Ohio State, the two screwjob wins in 2024 were Penn State and especially Nebraska.

I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but Rocket Ismail giving Lou Holtz the thumbs up, then scoring what should have been the winning TD, is seriously some of the coolest s*** ever.

I've recounted the PSU game before, but, to repeat briefly: the ridiculous standing up wrong penalty against Zion Tracy was worth 7 points; the Judkins fumble overturn was worth 3 points and probably more since PSU would have had the ball at the OSU 43; and the egregious and uncalled DPI by Caleb Downs on Dinkins on 4th and goal cost us another 4 plays from the 1 (and, remember, if not for the Tracy penalty and the Judkins overturn, Penn State would have been leading the game, not trailing by 7).

But the Nebraska game was even more ridiculous. Matt Rhule spent the entire game shaking his head at the laughably one-sided standards for officiating in that game. Go watch it yourself if you don't believe me. Uncalled false starts, uncalled holds, uncalled DPIs, a debatably correct catch overturn, a "winning" INT for Ohio State set up by an uncalled PI, an infamous bad spot (off by over a yard and a half) that cost Nebraska at least 30 seconds and a timeout ... that game had everything imaginable to get Ohio State to the playoff.

So that's the 2024 Buckeyes. They were the best team out of the 12 in the playoff, but they didn't deserve to be one of those 12.

And the problem is that as long as fans continue to have this attitude of, well, it doesn't matter what the refs do, you need to find a way to win, Big Ten officiating will continue to decline and the great favorites - Ohio State and Michigan - will continue to the benefit of the detriment of the sport. And don't believe for one minute it's coincidence that Michigan beat Ohio State but Nebraska didn't. Nebraska's defense held Ohio State to even worse rushing numbers but Michigan's the only team that will, in the Big Ten, consistently get reasonably two-sided officiating against Ohio State.

"You're killing our sport!" - Cael Sanderson

This may be the dumbest thing I've ever read

 

[dailybuck777]

OSU had the most talent, but they were 4th in the BIG10 behind Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. One reason to only have an 8 team playoff -OSU should have neve had a shot at the Natty after losing to UM, regular season losses should count for something especially on the last week of the year to your biggest rival, but hats of to them they proved it on the field.

Ohio state was ranked 6th in country before rankings were changed to accommodate conference champions. After re-alignment OSU ranked 8. They get in either way under your scenario.

 

[ryoder1]

Ohio state was ranked 6th in country before rankings were changed to accommodate conference champions. After re-alignment OSU ranked 8. They get in either way under your scenario.

They don't make it into a 4 team field.

Crazy how for many years Penn State could not make a 4 team playoff but would have made a 12 team one. For a few years past 2014 ('16, '19. '20, '22) OSU makes the 4 team playoff yet does not win the NC. Now it expands to 12 and Penn State had a legitimate shot to make it if it was still 4 teams and OSU would not have made it yet OSU wins the NC.

 

[Cowbell Man]

The flaws in the previous system combined with the strong appetite for additional revenues from the major universities in college football has led us to where we are now.

Stating that because of OSU's 2 regular season losses this year that they would not have qualified to participate in that system to determine the MNC is accurate, and I stand by my statement.

My point in stating that the current system is an invitational was to highlight the fact that the invitational portion has not changed despite going to a 'playoff format'.

Every system is an invitational after all champions are in. The NFL uses overall record after the divisional champions are automatically in. Wrestling tries to create comparators where they can after champions are automatically in. Basketball uses the quad system after champions are it.

CFB is now officially a championship playoff because Champs are in. I’ll agree that the G5 is still subject to a beauty contest or invitational, but none of the 4 conference champs will sit home.

 

[Lion_Backer]

Every system is an invitational after all champions are in. The NFL uses overall record after the divisional champions are automatically in. Wrestling tries to create comparators where they can after champions are automatically in. Basketball uses the quad system after champions are it.

CFB is now officially a championship playoff because Champs are in. I’ll agree that the G5 is still subject to a beauty contest or invitational, but none of the 4 conference champs will sit home.

For myself regarding whether it is a playoff or invitational is determined by whether the criteria for participation are objective or subjective.
And the CFP still has considerable subjectivity in determining who will participate.

And one can actually argue that due to the size and number of members of each conference that even determining who the conference champion is has subjective components to the equation.

 

[rrdd2021]

For myself regarding whether it is a playoff or invitational is determined by whether the criteria for participation are objective or subjective.
And the CFP still has considerable subjectivity in determining who will participate.

And one can actually argue that due to the size and number of members of each conference that even determining who the conference champion is has subjective components to the equation.

Realistically, can you name just one CF team that had a chance to win the NC - outside of the 12 that were invited

 

[NittanyIllinois]

OSU had the most talent, but they were 4th in the BIG10 behind Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. One reason to only have an 8 team playoff -OSU should have neve had a shot at the Natty after losing to UM, regular season losses should count for something especially on the last week of the year to your biggest rival, but hats of to them they proved it on the field.

"4th in the Big Ten" doesn't mean jack when you consider they played 3 top-5 teams in conference and both we and Indiana played one.

The schedules were not balanced.

Clearly OSU was better than the 4th best team in the Big Ten.

Our first national title in 1982 included a 21-point loss to a Bama team that went 8-4. But by the end of the year, we were still one of the two best teams in the country and got the chance to prove it.

OSU was obviously one of the best 8 or 12 teams in the country, and earned their way in. Period.

 

[LandoComando]

I just like the OP post because it really pisses off Lando.

Which tells you how obsessed and childish you are

 

[LandoComando]

OSU had the most talent, but they were 4th in the BIG10 behind Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. One reason to only have an 8 team playoff -OSU should have never had a shot at the Natty after losing to UM, regular season losses should count for something especially on the last week of the year to your biggest rival, but hats of to them they proved it on the field.

Because Indiana didn't play anyone?
Ohio State had by far the toughest schedule as they played everyone in the top 3...none of the others played each other. They destroyed Indiana and beat us. It's why record doesn't mean everything

 

[ryoder1]

Ohio State was the best team this year. The number of Penn State fans in this thread vehemently defending them is interesting.

 

[jbenedict]

Pretty sure PSU had more draftable players than ND, yet somehow we didn't win....

Ohio State beat PSU and Nebraska because of the refs. Anyone who disputes that won't be able to successfully defend the position. They are a fraudulent national champ. End of story.

I agree with you. Not having OSU in playoff's would take away huge $$$$$ from the conference. Also the difference in this game with ND was Allar. We were the most talented in the ND game, its a shame we couldn't have just average QB play. Trade QB's with ND or Ohio State, we win and they lose.

 

[LandoComando]

Ohio State was the best team this year. The number of Penn State fans in this thread vehemently defending them is interesting.

Shouldn't be. We wanted a playoff for years so someone would earn it. They did....Tennessee Oregon Texas ND.

We should be defending them the same as we'd defend us or anyone else from stupidity

 

[LandoComando]

I agree with you. Not having OSU in playoff's would take away huge $$$$$ from the conference. Also the difference in this game with ND was Allar. We were the most talented in the ND game, its a shame we couldn't have just average QB play. Trade QB's with ND or Ohio State, we win and they lose.

Allar gave up 24 points?
Trade QBs and Allar has decent WRs...they might score 40

 

[rrdd2021]

Because Indiana didn't play anyone?
Ohio State had by far the toughest schedule as they played everyone in the top 3...none of the others played each other. They destroyed Indiana and beat us. It's why record doesn't mean everything

Yep. I read they set a CF record for beating 5 top five this year breaking the old record of 4 by three other teams

 

[Phil's Rug]

I agree with you. Not having OSU in playoff's would take away huge $$$$$ from the conference. Also the difference in this game with ND was Allar. We were the most talented in the ND game, its a shame we couldn't have just average QB play. Trade QB's with ND or Ohio State, we win and they lose.

We trading wr's as well because ours weren't even average

 

[Lion_Backer]

Realistically, can you name just one CF team that had a chance to win the NC - outside of the 12 that were invited

While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement, the view that you are taking is from across the room. And the view that I'm taking is from 10,000 ft.

Let's look at the B1G. Given the current scheduling parameters, each team can only play 1/2 of the teams that are in the conference in any given year. It would not be that difficult to come up with a hypothetical scenario with a bunch of teams with the same conference record that played very dissimilar schedules.

And this hypothetical problem is actually a feature in the system. If the B1G and the SEC had a season with a lot of parity, the process to determine who is qualified could turn into a parody.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Realistically, can you name just one CF team that had a chance to win the NC - outside of the 12 that were invited

What is really funny about this is that’s exactly what the proponents of a 4 team playoff said.


I get your point tho.. while they could not get in on objective criteria, South Carolina was looking damn good at season’s end.

 

[NittanyIllinois]

Ohio State was the best team this year. The number of Penn State fans in this thread vehemently defending them is interesting.

It's not that I like OSU. It's that I dislike really bad and embarrassing arguments. And our inferiority complex with OSU is silly. They are exactly what we want to be as a program. There's no shame in admitting it and recognizing that they are the standard. I'd say the same about Georgia, but it doesn't really mean as much because Georgia is SEC and not terribly relevant to us.

We look ridiculous when we attribute all of OSU's successes to the refs, to cheating, to NIL, and whatever else.

OSU is the standard. No shame in admitting that, aiming for that, and trying to model that.