Quinton Martin

[GregInPitt]

I agree. Maybe the kid is happy playing behind the 3 others that were obviously ahead of him this year. Maybe he is happy to know he might have been #5 had whats his name not gotten hurt. Maybe he loves the girls at PSU.....I have no clue.....i just know most competitors, if offered, want to be on the field, not the sidelines.

That's where I disagree. Martin played his initial 3 games early in the season which to me says he was the 3rd team RB, at that point with Wallace hurt. Then the staff didn't play him to preserve a game in case of injuries later in the season. Then the staff did the same with Smith. Seems like going into Spring it is an open competition for the 3rd string RB spot. And to keep as much talent happy Franklin may put an "OR" between all 3 (Martin, Smith and Wallace) coming out of Spring practice if in deed the all stay at PSU going into the Summer.

One thing we do know is that by late January next year Singleton and Allen will be training for the NFL and the depth chart for 2026 will be compiled in the 2026 Spring and Fall practices.

 

[Texas Lion]

That's where I disagree. Martin played his initial 3 games early in the season which to me says he was the 3rd team RB, at that point with Wallace hurt. Then the staff didn't play him to preserve a game in case of injuries later in the season. Then the staff did the same with Smith. Seems like going into Spring it is an open competition for the 3rd string RB spot. And to keep as much talent happy Franklin may put an "OR" between all 3 (Martin, Smith and Wallace) coming out of Spring practice if in deed the all stay at PSU going into the Summer.

Hope your right. I realizing I am reaching but my sons high school WR room was better than PSU. They have gotten worse every year since Haggans got there.

Locker Room Troubles
Bad Routes
Lazy Routes
Easy Drops
Even Clifford has gotten worse and he was already at his floor and had no where to go but up!!

 

[Lion_Backer]

Could be. But he'll more than likely "be gone" as a RB....

There is a wildcard in this equation and that is NIL. As the roster is currently constructed, we basically have 2 'starters' that share the workload and complement each other very well. And they have decided to return next year. Keeping his carries down while preparing to be part of a similarly constructed future backfield at PSU.

Saquon maybe changing the narrative, but NFL RB's are not among the top paid players on their teams unless they are truly elite.

NIL may allow quality depth to remain in place just in case the program gets by the injury bug.....

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Because he was the highest rated guy in the '24 class and can be a huge contributor after Singleton and Allen leave next season. Just letting him portal would be a terrible decision.

We probably can use him as a slot WR for certain sets next season but I think it is unrealistic to simply move him to a full time WR. It seems we would have done that last season. It is not like we had a good WR room last season.

And he’ll be happy about sitting on the bench as a RB?

 

[LMTLION]

The reality is that one or two rb’s transfer. It is what it is.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

If it was only that easy to just line up and be a good B10 WR. But it's not, which is why the staff is looking elsewhere to solve the WR talent vacuum. In H.S. all Martin had to do was take a jet sweep, or run out and catch a ball against inferior athletes.

If he wants to compete to be a RB in 2026 he needs to keep learning the positions and adding the size in the S&C program that RB's need, which is vastly different from what a WR would do.

Never said it was easy but insane athletes do insane things. He can still get stronger and play WR. Look at Metcalf, is he too bulky for WR?

 

[GregInPitt]

Because he was the highest rated guy in the '24 class and can be a huge contributor after Singleton and Allen leave next season. Just letting him portal would be a terrible decision.

We probably can use him as a slot WR for certain sets next season but I think it is unrealistic to simply move him to a full time WR. It seems we would have done that last season. It is not like we had a good WR room last season.

Yep, and Ross was brought in to play full time in the slot with Denmark who has shown talent likely the backup to Ross in the slot. So take a RB and give him plays in the slot that Denmark would have gotten and see Denmark leave? I don't see that either. Maybe they use Martin in a 2 back set that ends up him getting jet sweep carries or catches in the flat. Who knows, as the staff tries to get Singleton and Allen on the field together at times.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Yep, and Ross was brought in to play full time in the slot with Denmark who has shown talent likely the backup to Ross in the slot. So take a RB and give him plays in the slot that Denmark would have gotten and see Denmark leave? I don't see that either. Maybe they use Martin in a 2 back set that ends up him getting jet sweep carries or catches in the flat. Who knows, as the staff tries to get Singleton and Allen on the field together at times.

You play every kid that can be a possibility at WR where it makes sense and you let the best men win the job. If Martin is a better slot receiver than Denmark then obviously Martin gets the job. We are trying to win a National Championship. Leaving him in the RB room again to get 13 carries is not the best utilization of him.

You need to play your best players in every position on the field. You cannot be worried about guys transferring. Franklin is excellent at team retention anyways.

 

[helixville]

He’s an insane athlete, the RB room is stacked. Will not get many carries at RB. He will absolutely be part of the plan to try and fix this WR room. Fixing the WR room is priority 1,2, and 3 this offseason.

He’s going to be our RB in 2026, he knows this. He’ll want as many reps as he can get, whenever, wherever. Being a WR for 1 year will help him tremendously in the passing game when he’s a RB in the future. Would be impressive to NFL scouts as well.

I hope your right. I'm sure the original plan was for him to be the "man" in year two.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

I hope your right. I'm sure the original plan was for him to be the "man" in year two.

At least RB2

 

[GregInPitt]

You play every kid that can be a possibility at WR where it makes sense and you let the best men win the job. If Martin is a better slot receiver than Denmark then obviously Martin gets the job. We are trying to win a National Championship. Leaving him in the RB room again to get 13 carries is not the best utilization of him.

You need to play your best players in every position on the field. You cannot be worried about guys transferring. Franklin is excellent at team retention anyways.

Yep, where it makes sense. And it doesn't make sense to interrupt Martin's development at a position he was a 4/5 star player at to move him to a position he never focused on and does not really have the body type to play.

And obviously the staff recruited Martin to play RB and likely believe he is more valuable to the team at RB than at WR. Or at Safety, or CB, or LB.....

Just like Reynolds at TE. He enrolled early, the staff knew there were holes at WR, but Reynolds long term and best position was and is TE so Reynolds went to work in the S&C program and got to TE size and contributed nicely as a true freshman. We may see the same from Olesh, even though some here believe they are smarter than the PSU coaches and will be calling for Olesh to line up at WR...........

 

[Delcolion915]

Yep, where it makes sense. And it doesn't make sense to interrupt Martin's development at a position he was a 4/5 star player at to move him to a position he never focused on and does not really have the body type to play.

And obviously the staff recruited Martin to play RB and likely believe he is more valuable to the team at RB than at WR. Or at Safety, or CB, or LB.....

Bullshit. Stop playing "expert".

They lost a chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP because of the wide receivers.

For the THIRD CONSECUTIVE SPRING they have ONE JOB.

THEY STINK AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT YET, but blowing up the room was a small step in the right direction.

His job now is to fire the fool in charge, but if he really insists on keeping him, pay 2 million dollars and sign a #1. And don't give me that bullshit about the portal not having any ones left. There's plenty. Write the god damn check and get to work.

 

[GregInPitt]

Bullshit. Stop playing "expert".

They lost a chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP because of the wide receivers.

For the THIRD CONSECUTIVE SPRING they have ONE JOB.

THEY STINK AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT YET, but blowing up the room was a small step in the right direction.

His job now is to fire the fool in charge, but if he really insists on keeping him, pay 2 million dollars and sign a #1. And don't give me that bullshit about the portal not having any ones left. There's plenty. Write the god damn check and get to work.

I'm not the one playing "expert" you seem to be in trying to act like you know more about how to put a college coaching staff together than Franklin.

And I've not even gotten into the discussion on WR coaching. Just pointing out to the "experts" than believe moving Martin to WR is a no brainer that it's likely not happening for many reasons.

Everything else in your hissy fit is not worth a response.

 

[LMTLION]

Bullshit. Stop playing "expert".

They lost a chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP because of the wide receivers.

For the THIRD CONSECUTIVE SPRING they have ONE JOB.

THEY STINK AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT YET, but blowing up the room was a small step in the right direction.

His job now is to fire the fool in charge, but if he really insists on keeping him, pay 2 million dollars and sign a #1. And don't give me that bullshit about the portal not having any ones left. There's plenty. Write the god damn check and get to work.

Perhaps I’m not seeing it on the current list out there, please advise who is the current elite “#1” wr’s out there. And have you heard anything that our NIL would actually pay that amount of money for one player? I saw the x tweet from Tengwell that our donors are more active now, but I haven’t seen that the collective is willing to put out that type of money for a single player.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Yep, where it makes sense. And it doesn't make sense to interrupt Martin's development at a position he was a 4/5 star player at to move him to a position he never focused on and does not really have the body type to play.

Quentin Martin was listed as an “athlete” in his

Bullshit. Stop playing "expert".

They lost a chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP because of the wide receivers.

For the THIRD CONSECUTIVE SPRING they have ONE JOB.

THEY STINK AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT YET, but blowing up the room was a small step in the right direction.

His job now is to fire the fool in charge, but if he really insists on keeping him, pay 2 million dollars and sign a #1. And don't give me that bullshit about the portal not having any ones left. There's plenty. Write the god damn check and get to work.

Agree, portal is definitely a better option than trying to fix what we have. But I still think that Quentin Martin and Andrew Olesh are at positions that they will not be a factor in so why not try them at WR. If it doesn’t work out then you put them back at their respective positions. TE and RB.

 

[RickinDayton]

Bullshit. Stop playing "expert".

They lost a chance to win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP because of the wide receivers.

For the THIRD CONSECUTIVE SPRING they have ONE JOB.

THEY STINK AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT YET, but blowing up the room was a small step in the right direction.

His job now is to fire the fool in charge, but if he really insists on keeping him, pay 2 million dollars and sign a #1. And don't giv me that bullshit about the portal not having any ones left. There's plenty. Write the god damn check and get to work.

What is your problem with the continual use of God's name in vain? It is unnecessary. Why don't you stop it.

 

[Texas Lion]

What is your problem with the continual use of God's name in vain? It is unnecessary. Why don't you stop it.

Oh Lord....

 

[Phil's Rug]

Oh Lord....

Jesus, here we go again....

 

[jimarnp]

So with both Singleton and Allen coming back, is there any experimentation with Martin at WR? Certainly couldn’t hurt and might very well help.

The kid is an athlete, and likely capable of playing multiple positions in college. If AK’s goal is to get his 11 best on the field ( it is), then a few plays at WR or a Pribula-type package , as well as RB back up may occur

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

The kid is an athlete, and likely capable of playing multiple positions in college. If AK’s goal is to get his 11 best on the field ( it is), then a few plays at WR or a Pribula-type package , as well as RB back up may occur

Martin said he’d play wherever PSU needs him so there you go. We need him at WR if he’s one of our best options there.

 

[Delcolion915]

Martin said he’d play wherever PSU needs him so there you go. We need him at WR if he’s one of our best options there.

No he can't possibly be. National coaching guru Greg "all bold letters" in Pitt has identified Martin as incapable of playing the wide receiver position. So be it 😂😂😂

 

[GregInPitt]

No he can't possibly be. National coaching guru Greg "all bold letters" in Pitt has identified Martin as incapable of playing the wide receiver position. So be it 😂😂😂

You're lying. I never said that.

I said that if he wanted to be a WR he likely would have said that when he was recruited.
I said that if Martin wants to play RB he would might transfer if he's moved to WR. I said that wishing Martin was a WR so he could help solve the PSU WR room is just that, a wish.
I said that with Martin training to be a PSU RB he has been and will be putting on muscle and size that is not consistent with trying to develop into a WR.
I said that you and others set on moving Martin to WR don't have a clue compared to Franklin and his staff in evaluating his ability to help the team at WR and that if they though he could more so help the team at WR they likely would have already move him there.
I said that it would seem that Martin and the other 2 young RB's will be in competition this spring and into fall for the 3rd RB spot.
I said that with Singleton and Allen returning that the 3 young RB's will likely be continuing their competition for the 2026 RB depth chart into the 2026 spring and fall practices..

There were a few more, but even you can read and should get the point!!

 

[GregInPitt]

Martin said he’d play wherever PSU needs him so there you go. We need him at WR if he’s one of our best options there.

If he said that, and he's not playing at WR with the WR performance of the last 2 years, what does that tell us.....?

If Martin didn't go right to WR when we had pretty much a WR emergency coming into this season, why would he get moved there after the staff has finally begun to clean out the upper classmen WR roster and has already brought in 2 WR transfers and seems set on adding another WR transfer?

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

You're lying. I never said that.

I said that if he wanted to be a WR he likely would have said that when he was recruited.
I said that if Martin wants to play RB he would might transfer if he's moved to WR. I said that wishing Martin was a WR so he could help solve the PSU WR room is just that, a wish.
I said that with Martin training to be a PSU RB he has been and will be putting on muscle and size that is not consistent with trying to develop into a WR.
I said that you and others set on moving Martin to WR don't have a clue compared to Franklin and his staff in evaluating his ability to help the team at WR and that if they though he could more so help the team at WR they likely would have already move him there.
I said that it would seem that Martin and the other 2 young RB's will be in competition this spring and into fall for the 3rd RB spot.
I said that with Singleton and Allen returning that the 3 young RB's will likely be continuing their competition for the 2026 RB depth chart into the 2026 spring and fall practices..

There were a few more, but even you can read and should get the point!!

He said that he’d play wherever PSU needed him.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

If he said that, and he's not playing at WR with the WR performance of the last 2 years, what does that tell us.....?

If Martin didn't go right to WR when we had pretty much a WR emergency coming into this season, why would he get moved there after the staff has finally begun to clean out the upper classmen WR roster and has already brought in 2 WR transfers and seems set on adding another WR transfer?

Dude cmon you know the answer to that. PSU figured that at least 1 of Allen or Singleton would go pro. Now he’s already had 1 year of training with the RB room. The coaches didn’t realize how bad our receiver room was last year and was too late to try and switch him to a wr once the season began.

 

[GregInPitt]

He said that he’d play wherever PSU needed him.

Then if he's still playing WR that must be where Franklin believes PSU needs him. That is contrary to all those that say that PSU should move him to WR because they believe that's where the team needs him. Correct?

 

[psrurock]

So with both Singleton and Allen coming back, is there any experimentation with Martin at WR? Certainly couldn’t hurt and might very well help.

All year long I kept saying pound the rock! Look what they averaged when they did run it. They were gashing ND and would have continued in the playoffs cept for an I'll timed interception. Even a RPO would have been better to get to Warren. Maybe it's boring but it produced all year long!

 

[GregInPitt]

Dude cmon you know the answer to that. PSU figured that at least 1 of Allen or Singleton would go pro. Now he’s already had 1 year of training with the RB room. The coaches didn’t realize how bad our receiver room was last year and was too late to try and switch him to a wr once the season began.

a. I'm not your "Dude"

b. You don't know what the coaches realized about the WR room last year. They did their best to find high talent transfer WR's a year ago (after bringing in Cephus and McClain before that) and struck out on many of them that they believed they wanted in order to field a better WR group. That says to me they realized the WR talent issue back then.

c. They could have switched Martin to WR at any time after he arrived at PSU in January 2024 through today, but chose not to even though they struck out on most, maybe all, of the higher talent WR's they offered in the transfer portal. Those in the know say that they didn't land better portal receivers a year ago due to the way PSU does NIL, focusing on retention. Franklin knew that (it would be unlikely to bring in instand improvement experieced WR's) and had every opportunity to move Martin, and could have done it in Fall camp or even after this season started. Franklin moved Belgrave-Shorter from CB to Safety during the season I believe when it became apparent that more depth at Safety was needed. The issues at WR were evident even more so this season and were more impactful but yet Martin stayed at RB.

Maybe we should just agree to disagree.......

 

[Delcolion915]

I can't wait for Greg to walk this all the way back to the North shore when they move him to wr.

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

What is your problem with the continual use of God's name in vain? It is unnecessary. Why don't you stop it.

Well, he did use a small g.

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

Dude cmon you know the answer to that. PSU figured that at least 1 of Allen or Singleton would go pro. Now he’s already had 1 year of training with the RB room. The coaches didn’t realize how bad our receiver room was last year and was too late to try and switch him to a wr once the season began.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the coaching staff, if they didn't realize how bad our WR group was/is. It was a total dumpster fire the year before, with people saying that everyone was portalling out. So I was surprised when only KLS did.

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

All year long I kept saying pound the rock! Look what they averaged when they did run it. They were gashing ND and would have continued in the playoffs cept for an I'll timed interception. Even a RPO would have been better to get to Warren. Maybe it's boring but it produced all year long!

That's a bad coach when he's fixated on winning only one way. Say what you will about the nosepicker, but by halftime (in 2023) he recognized he could smash the ball down our throats without risking an int, and preceded to do so.

 

[Ian]

Get your playmakers on the field. Period. You have 4 spots typically. One RB (Allen/Singleton) and three WRs. Hudson, Ross, and Denmark are the guys right now. Clifford is utility. Need another. How many new WRs are on campus? Hagans guys. Can one or two pop?

 

[ryoder1]

He has 7 months to get it down. I get what everyone is saying but I will bet if his carries are similar to this year he is gone next year.

Why is he gone? He will have 2 years and getting NIL given how high profile he is. Plus the staff will work him in more to the offense. As I said there can be a package where he is in the slot, jet sweeps, etc. If the staff thought he could be a WR then I think they would haved moved him by now. Perhaps they discussed it with him and he said no along with his parents saying no.

 

[bvillebaron]

If it was only that easy to just line up and be a good B10 WR. But it's not, which is why the staff is looking elsewhere to solve the WR talent vacuum. In H.S. all Martin had to do was take a jet sweep, or run out and catch a ball against inferior athletes.

If he wants to compete to be a RB in 2026 he needs to keep learning the positions and adding the size in the S&C program that RB's need, which is vastly different from what a WR would do.

I watched him in the state playoffs and they did in fact split him out as a WR for several plays. Having said that I think he is a RB who could be effective playing in the slot on occasion.

 

[bvillebaron]

Hope your right. I realizing I am reaching but my sons high school WR room was better than PSU. They have gotten worse every year since Haggans got there.

Locker Room Troubles
Bad Routes
Lazy Routes
Easy Drops
Even Clifford has gotten worse and he was already at his floor and had no where to go but up!!

If you truly believe your son’s WR room was better than PSUs, then yes you are truly reaching.