No reason to believe your numbers aren't correct. But allow me to ask a question: which is more essential to the functioning of a university like PSU, a library or an art museum?
Reasons to build the barren museum.
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No reason to believe your numbers aren't correct. But allow me to ask a question: which is more essential to the functioning of a university like PSU, a library or an art museum?
A library, no doubt. That’s why we’ve had multiple additions and renovations to the libraries over the past 20 years while doing nothing for our museums.
We’ve all commented and debated as to whether Penn State is or was or should be or could be one of the top 50 universities in the world. This is the type of strategic investment that I believe moves us up that rank - others will disagree.
I don’t think the primary purpose of the museum is to draw more visitors, but to improve education for students whose studies involve working in a museum.
Sure they want people to visit the new museum but it’s primary purpose is to improve the educational facilities for students.
Plus having a nice museum does have some secondary affects, ie. it draws more people to the area, increases the prestige of the school, etc.
I don’t work in a museum, when I was a student I think I visited Palmer once, but I do see how a better museum would benefit students.
Sure they want people to visit the new museum but it’s primary purpose is to improve the educational facilities for students.
Plus having a nice museum does have some secondary affects, ie. it draws more people to the area, increases the prestige of the school, etc.
I don’t work in a museum, when I was a student I think I visited Palmer once, but I do see how a better museum would benefit students.
Because it will be bigger and better they will be able to show more art and more diverse art, allow students to learn how to manage a large art collection.
It will also attract better professors and better students because the facilities are bigger and better.
It’s like saying upgrading the football facilities doesn’t do anything for the football team.
Let’s just gut the Lasch building and give the team the equivalent of a high school locker room from the 1970’s.
They should get rid of the weight room too and put a few of those Universal weight machines while they are at it.
The football team doesn’t need all that fancy stuff hahaha.
Students and professors these days want first rate facilities when selecting a college.
It’s not just Penn State that does this, heck even the state schools are spending lavishly on facilities and amenities for students.
I believe you are underestimating the cost of buildings. Google how much other museum expansion projects cost.For $85,000,000 they could double their faculty - by bringing in Professors among the most renowned Art Experts in the world...… and reduce tuition by 50% for any student who wanted to study Art.
And have about $75,000,000 left over
And at roughly 70,000 square feet of space the new museum would still be significantly smaller than UM’s 95,0000 square foot museum.
Knucklehead. If you can't do math, avoid posting on budgetary topics.I think you are overestimating your intellectual capacity
At what point in anything I wrote in THIS thread did I discuss - in even the most tangential way - the “cost of buildings”?
There is no need to - when the project should never even be considered to begin with.
Thanks for making your “sycophancy” so “Clear”.
Proceed to Ignore.
Hahaha you most certainly did mention cost if buildings when you said for $85 million they could double the size of the building, give out scholarships to all the art students and have $75 million left over.I think you are overestimating your intellectual capacity
At what point in anything I wrote in THIS thread did I discuss - in even the most tangential way - the “cost of buildings”?
There is no need to - when the project should never even be considered to begin with.
Thanks for making your “sycophancy” so “Clear”.
Proceed to Ignore.
So it doesn’t take a math genius to figure out that you believe they could do all that for $10 million.
And now you say you never talked about the cost of buildings hahaha. Alzheimer’s perhaps?
Below is a link to an article on psu.edu on the new art museum. I don't recall seeing it posted anywhere on this site.
From the article:
"UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — To showcase Penn State’s growing collection of art and provide space for a range of cultural activities and events, University leaders have proposed the construction of a new freestanding art museum on the University Park campus that would be located in The Arboretum at Penn State.
The Penn State Board of Trustees approved the selection of Allied Works as the architect to design the new University Art Museum at its meeting on Friday, May 3. Allied Works was selected based on its extensive experience in the design of arts and educational facilities and for its interdisciplinary, research based, and collaborative approach to architecture.
The firm, founded by Brad Cloepfil in 1994 in Portland, Oregon, is internationally recognized for its innovative arts, cultural and civic buildings, including academic art museums and art schools at higher-education institutions. Allied Works is known for architecture that is inspired by, and responsive to, nature and place, including carefully curated campus environments. Examples of the firm’s work include the Contemporary Art Museum St. Louis, the Seattle Art Museum, the Museum of Arts and Design in New York City, the Clyfford Still Museum in Denver, and the University of Michigan Museum of Art.
The proposed University Art Museum would replace the existing Palmer Museum of Art and include expanded gallery and exhibition space, providing greater access to its 9,300-object collection; enhanced learning, creative and social opportunities for students; and areas for events and community gatherings, while continuing and expanding the Palmer Museum’s role as a cultural, educational and scholarly resource for the Penn State community and visitors.
According to the proposal, the new museum building would encompass approximately 68,000 to 73,000 square feet, with a total project budget of $71.1 million — funded by Penn State’s five-year capital plan that runs through 2023 — which could increase to as much as $85 million with philanthropic support, with final project plans and costs subject to approval by the Board of Trustees.
Under the plan, the existing Palmer Museum of Art building on Curtin Road and the signature bronze lion’s paws that flank its front steps would remain, as a student-focused space. A task force has been assembled to determine exactly how the student space could be utilized. While the new art museum would not retain the Palmer name — at the suggestion of the late Barbara Palmer, the Palmer Museum of Art’s namesake benefactor — the Palmer name and legacy would still have a prominent place in the new facility."
https://news.psu.edu/story/572904/2...pproves-architect-new-and-expanded-university
SHOWCASE.
A. SHOWCASE. SHOWPLACE.
TASK. FORCE.
As noted in the article, among the selected architect's projects is the university of michigan museum of art. Thus, we have confirmation of "keeping up with the Joneses" as one of the main drivers.
From the article:
"UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — To showcase Penn State’s growing collection of art and provide space for a range of cultural activities and events, University leaders have proposed the construction of a new freestanding art museum on the University Park campus that would be located in The Arboretum at Penn State.
The Penn State Board of Trustees approved the selection of Allied Works as the architect to design the new University Art Museum at its meeting on Friday, May 3. Allied Works was selected based on its extensive experience in the design of arts and educational facilities and for its interdisciplinary, research based, and collaborative approach to architecture.
The firm, founded by Brad Cloepfil in 1994 in Portland, Oregon, is internationally recognized for its innovative arts, cultural and civic buildings, including academic art museums and art schools at higher-education institutions. Allied Works is known for architecture that is inspired by, and responsive to, nature and place, including carefully curated campus environments. Examples of the firm’s work include the Contemporary Art Museum St. Louis, the Seattle Art Museum, the Museum of Arts and Design in New York City, the Clyfford Still Museum in Denver, and the University of Michigan Museum of Art.
The proposed University Art Museum would replace the existing Palmer Museum of Art and include expanded gallery and exhibition space, providing greater access to its 9,300-object collection; enhanced learning, creative and social opportunities for students; and areas for events and community gatherings, while continuing and expanding the Palmer Museum’s role as a cultural, educational and scholarly resource for the Penn State community and visitors.
According to the proposal, the new museum building would encompass approximately 68,000 to 73,000 square feet, with a total project budget of $71.1 million — funded by Penn State’s five-year capital plan that runs through 2023 — which could increase to as much as $85 million with philanthropic support, with final project plans and costs subject to approval by the Board of Trustees.
Under the plan, the existing Palmer Museum of Art building on Curtin Road and the signature bronze lion’s paws that flank its front steps would remain, as a student-focused space. A task force has been assembled to determine exactly how the student space could be utilized. While the new art museum would not retain the Palmer name — at the suggestion of the late Barbara Palmer, the Palmer Museum of Art’s namesake benefactor — the Palmer name and legacy would still have a prominent place in the new facility."
https://news.psu.edu/story/572904/2...pproves-architect-new-and-expanded-university
SHOWCASE.
A. SHOWCASE. SHOWPLACE.
TASK. FORCE.
As noted in the article, among the selected architect's projects is the university of michigan museum of art. Thus, we have confirmation of "keeping up with the Joneses" as one of the main drivers.
Interestingly, Indiana’s museum remake should wrap up this fall. The museum’s director is a PSU undergrad, my HS friend, and two-year PSU roommate.
https://artmuseum.indiana.edu/
https://artmuseum.indiana.edu/
Well one thing we do know for sure that if its a Dambly construction it will cost roughly 5x the amount of a building in San Francisco, per sq. ft.
And will have all the charm of a Panera Bread in a strip mall.
As a BFA Undergrad I spent a lot of time in the Palmer Musuem but especially the Zoeller Gallery.
I haven't been in it since probably around 2008. Then it still seemed to function pretty well, has it outgrown its space since?
If for $85 MM, the new museum serves a good caramel latte and blueberry scone like Panera, then that's money very well spent.
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I think the issue is that barren has outgrown that space.
Maybe they'll visit prior to the outdoor hockey game between the Flyers and Penguins people keep talking about.
Serious question: if we do assume that the university’s art collection has outgrown the bounds of the current museum’s capacity, would there even be room to expand the current facility’s footprint? From what I recall, it seems as though the Palmer is bounded on all sides by the Forum, North Halls, and other academic buildings.
I will say that I liked the idea of the little arts district that exists there in the middle of campus with the Palmer and the new recital hall almost next door to each other, but I won’t pretend to know enough about the functioning of the current art museum to have an idea about its space requirements and needs. I was a student when I last visited so I wasn’t at all concerned about parking, accessibility, etc.
I will say that I liked the idea of the little arts district that exists there in the middle of campus with the Palmer and the new recital hall almost next door to each other, but I won’t pretend to know enough about the functioning of the current art museum to have an idea about its space requirements and needs. I was a student when I last visited so I wasn’t at all concerned about parking, accessibility, etc.
Who could have possibly imagined that?
IDK, I didn't. I would have thought a "Country Jamboree" would have been popular around there.
No there isn't room. Frankly I didn't think there was room for them to shoehorn in the Architecture building in front of North Halls and the Tennis Courts but they did.
Guys, barren is simply trying to leave hisstainmark on the university. With the museum being his big idea, they more than likely will put his name on it. Is $85 MM really too much to ask to give barren a lasting tribute?
Keep in mind that once they build it, they have to fill it. Art ain't cheap, I can tell you firsthand.
Guys, barren is simply trying to leave hisstainmark on the university. With the museum being his big idea, they more than likely will put his name on it. Is $85 MM really too much to ask to give barren a lasting tribute?
Can't we save $85 MM and just put his name on The Creamery, even if we have to take of feckless Dickrods name.
Joe's statue has been on display in Palmer for 7 years and no one even noticed.
Keep in mind that once they build it, they have to fill it. Art ain't cheap, I can tell you firsthand.
Bahaha. That’s funny.
Andy Warhol was my cousin (not joking). Maybe I can put in a good word with the curators of his museum in Pittsburgh (this part is a joke as I never met Andy and have only met parts of the Warhola family once or twice).
That's not what The Barron said. He stated that there's no parking, etc at Palmer to accommodate visitors from all over.
Why should a State funded University be in the museum business anyhow? They are a MONEY LOSING MACHINE that will operate in the red from day one, and that's if the building were free. You can't charge near enough to cover utilities, employees, etc. never mind make back $85 million. Freaking crooks.
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