Recent Tom Ryan interview with Pyles (SIAP)

[Petch]

Understood,but if I'm not mistaken once you breakdown opponent is when you are supposed to better your position or come out on side to work for turn. That is where I think the issue is. You breakdown opponent, opponent gets to knees and it is repeated.
I have far more problem with that situation. Unless bottom man is tucking his arms and elbows, the top man should be dictating the action.
I don't like 2-1 matches. It's a great sport, let's see action not hugging.
Don't think I'm an fan yelling Call the stall. I'm not. The refs and rules dictate the action.

Well…according to the rules in place, here is the verbiage for On the Mat stalling:

Art. 15. On-the-Mat Stalling Situations. Offensive and defensive stalling situations also include:
a� The offensive wrestler does not aggressively attempt to break down the opponent�
b� The defensive wrestler not initiating action to escape or reverse the opponent�
c� An offensive wrestler not making an effort to return the defensive wrestler to the mat is considered stalling� In all rear-standing situations, it is the offensive wrestler's responsibility to make an effort to return the defensive wrestler to the mat�

So, if the bottom wrestler gets to his knees, the top wrestler can break him down…and shouldn’t be called for stalling. Brooks was rightfully called in the final with Amine when, while standing, he didn’t return him to the mat one time before going OOB, but nowhere in that match did Brooks stall while they were both on the mat. AB kept flattening Amine….and it was a beautiful thing.

 

[Callthestall]

The below description is taken from the NCAA web site. Obviously you posted very detailed rules. I am certain the rules go into a different set of guidelines when bottom wrestler is on mat.
"Wrestlers competing too close the edge or being pushed out of bounds while not initiating action can lose a stalling point. Offensive wrestlers can also be docked stalling points for not working on top of another wrestler to turn or score on him. The wrestler on the bottom can be hit with stalling for not working to escape. Efforts to delay a match can also be deemed stalling."
I don't disagree with you about the way that match was called by the rules you posted. However from an action standpoint, isn't putting the same ride on a guy time after time knowing no offense is possible similar to grabbing a leg. ?
Just my thought on how wrestling might be improved.

How a college wrestling match is scored

Here's how scoring works in college wrestling, including video breakdowns of tech falls, major decisions, disqualifications and more.

www.ncaa.com

 

[PSUeng]

The below description is taken from the NCAA web site. Obviously you posted very detailed rules. I am certain the rules go into a different set of guidelines when bottom wrestler is on mat.
"Wrestlers competing too close the edge or being pushed out of bounds while not initiating action can lose a stalling point. Offensive wrestlers can also be docked stalling points for not working on top of another wrestler to turn or score on him. The wrestler on the bottom can be hit with stalling for not working to escape. Efforts to delay a match can also be deemed stalling."

How a college wrestling match is scored

Here's how scoring works in college wrestling, including video breakdowns of tech falls, major decisions, disqualifications and more.

www.ncaa.com

how about the boots in approach and when the bottom wrestler frees up is driven out of bounds. then repeat. Many teams us this approach

 

[Callthestall]

how about the boots in approach and when the bottom wrestler frees up is driven out of bounds. then repeat. Many teams us this approach

I don't like that either or Iowa crotch grab.

 

[HawkFan1986]

I don't like that either or Iowa crotch grab.

I don’t like that either. Big Cass uses the double thigh pry to kill time. It should be stalling because it is not a viable way to break down an opponent from the top.

There are lots of ways to stall, there’s no shortage in variety out there now.

 

[Petch]

The below description is taken from the NCAA web site. Obviously you posted very detailed rules. I am certain the rules go into a different set of guidelines when bottom wrestler is on mat.
"Wrestlers competing too close the edge or being pushed out of bounds while not initiating action can lose a stalling point. Offensive wrestlers can also be docked stalling points for not working on top of another wrestler to turn or score on him. The wrestler on the bottom can be hit with stalling for not working to escape. Efforts to delay a match can also be deemed stalling."
I don't disagree with you about the way that match was called by the rules you posted. However from an action standpoint, isn't putting the same ride on a guy time after time knowing no offense is possible similar to grabbing a leg. ?
Just my thought on how wrestling might be improved.

How a college wrestling match is scored

Here's how scoring works in college wrestling, including video breakdowns of tech falls, major decisions, disqualifications and more.

www.ncaa.com

I am fine if they change the stalling rules to something more desirable. I have no doubt that Cael and company will adjust better than any other program in America.

 

[Sportfan2017]

I don't like that either or Iowa crotch grab.

I usually have to pay extra for that

 

[johnstownsteel]

Here’s the thing, you shouldn’t have to ride to turn. If the guy can’t get off bottom that doesn’t make it a stall ride, that just means they’re bad at getting off bottom. It’s a three position sport.

This is exactly how I feel about it.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

And your choice would be ?
Keep in mind ,No Penn State connection.

Popolizio

 

[El-Jefe]

And your choice would be ?
Keep in mind ,No Penn State connection.

Whoever he overheard two guys talking about outside the fitness center at Rec Hall.

 

[WIP2001]

Good interview. I do wish Cael were more accessible and transparent but I guess I’ll just have to settle for a dynasty.

Might’ve misunderstood and I don’t know OSU’s roster super well… did Ryan say he had the best 184 in the country at the end of the year?

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Exactly - he turns it up to 11 and doesn’t hide the fact that he’s pissed

 

[Diego Badman]

The best solution to this is for Ryan to de-emphasize recruiting in his home state, one of the top talent pools in the country.

Because that's what we're really talking about here. It's almost always the Ohio wrestlers like the Jordans, the Decaturs, etc., who struggle on bottom. His out-of-state wrestlers have generally been pretty good on bottom.

I think, a few years ago, David Taylor said as much about Ohio Wrestling in general. There was no emphasis on mat wrestling.

 

[Eyecatcher]

Tom Ryan will never not be a total scumbag for forfeiting his own son in a championship tournament. He’s irredeemable as a coach for that move alone.

Common folk will never understand the ways of a Jedi.

 

[Callthestall]

I think, a few years ago, David Taylor said as much about Ohio Wrestling in general. There was no emphasis on mat wrestling.

I agree 100%with this statement.
I don't mind Ryan's persona. Kids act classy and good graduation rate.
His biggest issue is not developing mat wrestling.Most posters know my disappointment that Penn State didn't recruit Sasso. If Sasso went to PSU,I guarantee you his offensive and mat skills would of been much better than the skill set you see at Ohio State. Sasso always was hard to score on and likes to counter off moves. He just has not improved his offense in college to go to next step. Numerous Ohio State wrestlers have the same mantra, Moore being another example.

 

[District four]

I usually have to pay extra for that

I'm still paying for it

 

[tullfan68]

any of Caels coaches no penn state I would have to go with Dresser!

 

[tullfan68]

lol instead of ryan complaning about penn state rides he should be concerned about teaching his guys how to get off the bottom!

 

[tullfan68]

and Koll would be a great choice!

 

[palmettolion]

And your choice would be ?
Keep in mind ,No Penn State connection.

1. Never trust a guy with two first names.

2. The correct answer is clearly Terry Brands, solo.

 

[lookleft goright]

1. Never trust a guy with two first names.

2. The correct answer is clearly Terry Brands, solo.

So Ricky Bobby is out?

 

[El-Jefe]

1. Never trust a guy with two first names.

Now we know who doesn't trust Vincenzo Joseph.

 

[Eyecatcher]

God I love the off-season, you have rumors of J Freak’n Smith being ran out of Stillwater on a rail, and Ryan and Koll as wishes to replace Cael.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Understood,but if I'm not mistaken once you breakdown opponent is when you are supposed to better your position or come out on side to work for turn. That is where I think the issue is. You breakdown opponent, opponent gets to knees and it is repeated.
I have far more problem with that situation. Unless bottom man is tucking his arms and elbows, the top man should be dictating the action.
I don't like 2-1 matches. It's a great sport, let's see action not hugging.
Don't think I'm an fan yelling Call the stall. I'm not. The refs and rules dictate the action.

That’s always been a legitimate criticism of Penn State. They ride guys out and try to win 2-1. Jesus Christ. Get out of here with this nonsense. You aren’t even good at trolling.

 

[Sportfan2017]

I'm still paying for it

"I don't pay you for sex. I pay you to go home after".........Charlie Sheen

 

[Petch]

Now we know who doesn't trust Vincenzo Joseph.

…or David Taylor.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

…or David Taylor.

Doesn’t count, David Morris Taylor is three first names. You can trust a guy like that.

 

[mjmirv]

Thomas Gilman

 

[Callthestall]

That’s always been a legitimate criticism of Penn State. They ride guys out and try to win 2-1. Jesus Christ. Get out of here with this nonsense. You aren’t even good at trolling.

I'm a Penn State fan. Grew up a Lehigh wrestling fan until the Internet allowed me to follow Penn State easier. I was commenting what Ryan was saying about the ride and what might make the sport better. The sport evolves. I'm not sure how old you are but if you remember in the the late 1970s guys would throw a figure 4 around waist and crank on a half for a whole match. It was terrible. NCAA eliminated it. The Penn State wrestlers are great at the ride which is allowed. That doesn't mean that maybe in the years to come the governing body might tweet the rule on using the same ride.
I'm certain that I'm not a troll but sometimes I try to be open minded on issues.

 

[palmettolion]

Now we know who doesn't trust Vincenzo Joseph.

You ever see Cenzo and the Zodiac Killer in the same room?

That was just a riff on the original "never trust a man with two first names, especially if one of them is a woman. " From a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode, dunno why it sticks in my head.

I figured saying that Terry Brands should be the next head coach would have clearly indicated my sarcasm.

 

[broteau]

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For a number of reasons no. There are some unethical things going on beneath the surface at NCST. A few transfers in the last two years may have some stories to tell about the culture he's creating there.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

For a number of reasons no. There are some unethical things going on beneath the surface at NCST. A few transfers in the last two years may have some stories to tell about the culture he's creating there.

Have heard nothing but good things from multiple first hand accounts including wrestlers who transferred out

 

[Raw Daddy]

Now we know who doesn't trust Vincenzo Joseph.

David Taylor a better reference here?

 

[El-Jefe]

For a number of reasons no. There are some unethical things going on beneath the surface at NCST. A few transfers in the last two years may have some stories to tell about the culture he's creating there.

Such as?

 

[dunkej01]

For a number of reasons no. There are some unethical things going on beneath the surface at NCST. A few transfers in the last two years may have some stories to tell about the culture he's creating there.

This would be very shocking.....shocking to me.

 

[The Kid Twist]

I don't like that either or Iowa crotch grab.

I am not sure what the "Iowa crotch grab" is but I am sure it something I do not want to experience in my lifetime!

 

[lookleft goright]

I don't like that either or Iowa crotch grab.

Which crotch grab do you like?

 

[dicemen99]

Which crotch grab do you like?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Such as?

US Americans