Remember...they are taking Summer classes -3 Summers. Even without 'full loads' 3.5 years is not a problem to Graduate. Most guys know where they are in the pecking order. 2 choices.... graduate and move on OR transfer to get playing time.
Recruiting numbers and who leaves.
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DeAndre will be the top receiver going into next year--he's not going anywhere
Nick Scott has been playing lots lately
Manny Bowen isn't going anywhere unless he's ineligible or kicked off team and I doubt that happens
Koa Famer--is a starter
All others are possible.
That's a good question. Hopefully someone knows the answer. Uncle Lar?
I'll take a guess though. Since we (yes, PSU started offering 4 year scholarships before the Big Ten adopted the policy) offer 4 year scholarships, 3 players from the 2014 class that were planning on staying would have to leave. I doubt any of the newly signed recruits could be forced out without clear cause.
Instead of mob action against a prospective coach at Tennessee, why don’t we just pick and choose the 8-10 players we don’t want to come back?
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Someone here needs to take the personal responsibility to meet with Franklin and make sure he understands what he needs to do.
I’ll pass on the roster issues, I’ve already had the meeting on the O game plans and play calling with him and Moorhead.
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Someone here needs to take the personal responsibility to meet with Franklin and make sure he understands what he needs to do.
I’ll pass on the roster issues, I’ve already had the meeting on the O game plans and play calling with him and Moorhead.
First, why would a fan want anyone to go, as you put it? Because they did not sign little nephew Bobbies football at the Blue White game? Because the fan doesn't like the players normal facial expression? It does not matter who anyone wants to go, what does matter is who is going to go and why they are going? You have perhaps created the most idiotic thread in board history. The coaches and the players hold the cards and have their reasons, the program does not talk about injuries, guys have aspirations to play more, guys have aspirations to attend a grad school program that PSU does not offer and still play football or not,
Your idea so,,,,Who do you want to Go Napper and why? Then we will all chime in with our individual nephew Bobbie stories.
Here's a question.... Can a guy who has a year of scholarship left give up that scholarship and play as a walk on? Say the guy earned a full academic scholarship or graduated early and got a grad school grant or scholarship? Anybody know?
We're not going to ask a kid to leave early for the sake of more space. Kids who leave will be kids with degrees heading into year 5 who won't contribute much. Or others who are already looking at other opportunities.
Chaz Wright will stay. He is going to contribute.
Jenkins and Zambiac most likely have already started the process of applying at other schools.
There aren't nearly enough 5th year seniors who don't contribute.
Some underclassmen will leave voluntarily in hopes of finding playing time elsewhere but that can really complicate degree aspirations. They also have to make new friends. I'm sure a lot of kids don't want to do that.
What player since Franklin has been here has been "processed" and left here disgruntled? Please provide links and quotes.
Franklin is now doing what a lot of other programs are doing when it comes to having players move on.
When it becomes evident things won't work out it's not like he tells the kid move on then walks away.
He sits down with the kid and his family and advises them of the situation And offers his help in getting the kid to the right program he may desire. Be it phone calls, letters of recommendation, or good use of contacts.
Think something like that happened with Antoine White who ended up at a smaller school.
Players, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, want to "play". If they are told that realistically they have no shot to ever see the field here, many/most of them will want to go somewhere where they can.
It hasn't been an issue here, but don't let that stop you from trying to create one.
Sometimes it just needs to be written out for some (not you) who think this is HS or the pros where a coach walks in tells, the guy he is gone, then walks out the door.
Or they just follow recruiting and want to know why we can't accomadate x amount of kids.
When the NCAA changed the rules that allowed incoming student-athlete freshmen to take summer classes before their first fall semester it changed the whole situation. Now an incoming freshman can have say 6 credits under their belt before the fall as well as working out with the S&C coaches before fall practice.
Also now about 99% (if not all) are on campus all summer long taking classes. Basketball has been doing this for a while now because basketball players take only about 12 credits both fall and spring because of travel.
Football (an estimate) now takes a course load like this:
Freshman Summer 6 credits
Fr Fall 12 credits
Fr Spring 15
First year 33 total
Soph Summer 6-9
Soph Fall 12
Soph Spring 15
Second year 33-36 (total 66-69)
Jr Summer 6-9
Jr Fall 12
Jr Spring 15
Third year 33-36 (Total 99-105)
Sr summer (6-9)
Sr Fall 12. (117-120)
Then if necessary finish up in Spring.
So of course this aggressive, and there will be some players that will take 15 credits in the fall during the season. I doubt that they would limit to only 12, if they think that they can handle 15.
Maybe the majority of them take 15 in the fall and then drop to 12 if necessary. So you can see how they can finish early.
Disclaimer my math may not be 100% correct as I’m trying to finish in a hurry.
Also now about 99% (if not all) are on campus all summer long taking classes. Basketball has been doing this for a while now because basketball players take only about 12 credits both fall and spring because of travel.
Football (an estimate) now takes a course load like this:
Freshman Summer 6 credits
Fr Fall 12 credits
Fr Spring 15
First year 33 total
Soph Summer 6-9
Soph Fall 12
Soph Spring 15
Second year 33-36 (total 66-69)
Jr Summer 6-9
Jr Fall 12
Jr Spring 15
Third year 33-36 (Total 99-105)
Sr summer (6-9)
Sr Fall 12. (117-120)
Then if necessary finish up in Spring.
So of course this aggressive, and there will be some players that will take 15 credits in the fall during the season. I doubt that they would limit to only 12, if they think that they can handle 15.
Maybe the majority of them take 15 in the fall and then drop to 12 if necessary. So you can see how they can finish early.
Disclaimer my math may not be 100% correct as I’m trying to finish in a hurry.
That's what they register for. Same at all schools. NCAA requirement until they're within spitting distance of graduation.
Yes but that fourth fall is 3 1/2 years in the traditional sense. The end of their 4th season would be 3 1/2 years in school. That is what he is going by when he says graduate in 3 1/2 years.
I think 3.5 years is a standard benchmark HE wants to use. He knows not all kids are going to do it. But uses it as a goal to show a commitment to academics.
Graduating in 3.5 years is hard enough for the standard student. Let alone those with a huge athletic responsibility
Absolutely agree and it is a monumental feat to do that. But if a player then needs that last spring to finish up even a full semester of credits they will have graduated in 4 years.
If they decide that their playing career is done then they graduate and the team has that scholarship back. If a player decides that they want to transfer and finish at another school as a grad student then they can finish in the spring and transfer for the fall. Again the team get the scholarship back.
In some instances I’m sure the staff will bring back a fifth year player, as i doubt the staff will run off a contributor or even a starter that does need to come back for that last year.
I would bet that it’s being sold to recruits as a goal and a benefit to them because it allows them to keep their options open.
Play right away, be close to graduating leave school early, play in the nfl and still be close enough to finish your degree.
Or then any of the other scenarios we discussed.
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