Obviously mean Cael. A title would deprive Jammen of his perpetual martyrdom.
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86 Penn State - Iowa dual was awesome. Can't tell the 10K who were there that the dual did not matter. All sporting events matter, it gives us an opportunity to see people compete and you just might see something specular.
Be honest: Have you always felt this way? Or, just lately?
Assuming you've also been a fan for decades [70's, 80's at least?].
Interesting. I grew up an hour from PSU, had a trucker hub within my school district, have a couple uncles who were truckers, another was an electrician who wired several PSU buildings around that time ... and this is the first I've heard that term.
We must (cough cough) travel in different circles.
http://members4.boardhost.com/usaeverett/thread/1515593080.html
A list of where Boise kids went stolen from our Washington message board
Dirk Cowburn most likely would have started at almost any other school for 3 or 4 years. He was recovering from some knee injuries and he did happen to have an eventual national champ at his weight at PSU, but I assure you, he was extremely competitive even in the PSU room and would have done fine for PSU had it worked out differently.
This is really off-topic, but I suspect others would be interested to hear this Dirk story. I live near Dirk's hometown and followed his high school career quite closely. I also followed the classes that followed his because I have two sons that also wrestled for Coudersport, both as 4 year starters. Dirk came back one year to help out one of the high school kids who won a state title a few months later (Kyle Bova for PIAA wrestling fans) and Kyle told me personally that Dirk beat him like the proverbial red-headed stepchild while Dirk had a fairly serious knee injury. He said that Dirk would have easily tech-falled him in a "real match" at that point in time. Dirk was an amazing talent and it's a shame that college wrestling fans never got to find that out.
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Did not know about the knee. Wrestled with his father at Coudy. My younger brother graduated with Kyle's father. We should meet at one of the PSU home matches one of these days. I sometimes have an extra ticket on me.
Must admit, first for me too, and I was at Main Campus about the same time as garw, though probably 3-4 years earlier. Just guessing, at that time, even mid-60's on, lots of campuses were considered hippie cities.
Still remember the day when Nolf pinned Imar like it was yesterday. I came in from shovelling post blizzard to watch Nolf flatten Imar. My son and I jumped so high celebrating, we almost hit our heads on the ceiling.
Maybe it doesn't matter to some, but it did to us.
Ha! I was at a fairly large high school tournament and was watching the match on some guy's tablet (I didn't even know him). When Nolf pinned Imar, we all let out a whoop that you couldn't have imagined. Even at that large tournament in a crowded gym, everyone turned to see what the commotion was. My son was on deck on one of the mats and he said that he KNEW that Nolf must have beaten Imar and probably decked him for that war whoop to go up. Awesome, awesome memory.....
He was at Okie State last season (as a red shirt). I think he left Boise after the coaching change, which was about a year before they announced that they were dropping the team
"In the grand scheme of things, duals don't matter at the end of the season. Not even a scintilla."
"you need duals to promote the sport, gain new fans, help with ranking individual wrestlers, and to condition the wrestlers."
I'm having more than a little trouble reconciling those statements.
This was posted on 34 and Holding, on July 6, 2016, by oberedo...
"I have heard on good authority that Geordan Martinez a 2X NCAA qualifierand 2X All-American has transferred to Oklahoma State from Boise State He is at 149 but has a RS year. He is originally from Colorado where he had a HS record of 166-3. He wrestled at 141 and was a starter in 2015 and had a 30-7 record and was pac12 wrestler of the year. He was 32-8 this year and was 8th at the NCAA's. 7 0f his 8 losses were to ranked wrestlers but he also defeated 5 ranked wrestlers including Jake Sueflohn from Nebraska in the blood round at the NCAA's. He lost to Lavion Mayes 6-4. He could step right in after Collica graduates in a year. He has a 62-15 college record in two years. I understand he is transferring as Chris Owens did not get the head coaching position at Boise State and he believed he should have gotten it."
The announcement to drop wrestling happened on or about April 18, 2017, I believe.
I loved that he pretty much gave that same answer to lots of questions after the Scuffle.
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Dirk had good reason to believe he would be a starter at PSU, though. He was a 2X PIAA state champ, ranked #6 at 160lbs coming out of high school and was a top 50 recruit. As much as I love the effort of a Devin Schnupp or George Carpenter, they were not the kind of recruit Dirk Cowburn was. This really isn't a good comparison, although it does illustrate that it doesn't matter what your pedigree is coming in. If you're not the best at a weight, you're not going to start.
Thanks Tom, that was helpful and appreciated. I lose the links from time to time and finding them isn't always easy for me. I just had surgery last week, the flu to follow and my mother in law passed NYEVE. Slow week.
Maybe I misunderstood your comment, but wasn't Dirk #1 at 160 and #6 overall? Otherwise I agree with everything you've said here.
Not comparing Dirk to anyone just that he was talented kid that could have gone anywhere but chose to stay and be part of a championship team and be a great partner to make others better.
Probably wasn't #1 in the weight after losing to Hess in the state finals.
D1CW had him at #64 overall class of 2010.
http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Top150.html
Macro versus micro view, and coach versus fan view. On the macro level and to a growing list of coaches, it's national titles or bust. Tom Brands probably has a better dual meet record than Cael, but who has the hotter seat? On the micro level and to fans, dual meets are great. See your favorite wrestlers and support your school and promote the sport. Important to have no doubt, but you don't get a banner for it. At the end of the year and if you could only have one, would you rather have a 16-0 dual record or the national title? Duals are great for the sport, but what are you.ultimately judged upon? That's my point.
Cael has 14 losses in 9 years at Penn State, six in the first year, following a 12 loss season. So say 8 losses in 8 years. Brands has 9 in those same 8 years. Pretty equivalent results in dual meets. And we can't forget those 15 losses in one season at VT.
I was never a great wrestler but being put on a stage in a one on one battle is one of the greatest life learning experiences ive ever had. and i looked forward to every single dual meet because of that feeling. the smell of the mats still gives me that chill. even 15 years later there is no doubt in my mind that duals matter
According to his bio on the GOPSUSports site he was the #6 recruit at #160 and a top 50 recruit nationally. That's where I got the info.
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/cowburn_dirk00.html
Ok. I was like six and you just ruined my memory of the event....Jes the facts...
...Mike Reid did not pin Lehigh's heavyweight "Piggy" Paquin ... it was a good match... Mike won 5-3... his win sealed the dual meet victory, 18-12...
I got the frenzy right.
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