I bet this is not about money. I wonder if he's trying to gently suggest to the Giants that they should trade him to a team with at least a mid-level NFL offensive line.
Report: Barkley turned down $19 m from Giants
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I bet this is not about money. I wonder if he's trying to gently suggest to the Giants that they should trade him to a team with at least a mid-level NFL offensive line.
It's about guaranteed money. 3 years, $36 million with $19 million guaranteed means they can continue to run him into the ground and if he gets hurt, they aren't on the hook for near as much.
I believe if he wanted traded, he'd have said as much. 2 franchise tags signed gets him $22 million guaranteed, so I'd say he's looking for $25+ guaranteed.
He's never played behind a good offensive line, including his time here.
A bit misleading. It’s a $22m deal over two years. That is $11m per year. That would drop him out of the top six RB and on a new deal. Mccaffrey is making $16m per year
I think he played behind the best lines of the Franklin era in 2016 and 2017. The line routinely took the blame for the problems at quarterback.
Agree. Running backs get the short end of the stick as far as pay goes. Running backs typically have a shorter shelf life in the NFL. Many of them have their best production in the early years of their pro career. They get dinged up and their employer then uses that as negotiating leverage for shafting many of them on their second contract go around.
The offense was weak. It was Barkley left, Barkley right, fake Barkley pass. Defenses keyed on him so bad he had four guys around him every play. Half the plays he was hit behind the LOS.
Once again you were watching a different Penn State team than I was. These were years 3 and 4 which anyone with a clue knows were the most difficult ones especially on the OL.
That's the years those BOB OL came into their own and dominated! Don't you know the narrative? Lol
Right or wrong, it doesn’t matter – Saquon has a tough job in terms of controlling the narrative of being greedy, particularly considering that while he’s been Superman when he’s healthy, he’s also been unhealthy for a chunk of his NFL career.
Interesting...
Franchise Tag by position
Franchise Tag by position
- Quarterback: $32.42 million
- Running back: $10.09 million
- Tight end: $11.35 million
- Wide receiver: $19.74 million
- Offensive line: $18.24 million
- Defensive tackle: $18.94 million
- Defensive end: $19.73 million
- Linebacker: $20.93 million
- Cornerback: $18.14 million
- Safety: $14.46 million
The title makes it seem like 19M for a year...19M guaranteed over 3 absolutely shot down. This is 100% about money
LB the highest of defense.
TE higher than RB.
OL should be separated between T and interior; bet that drops interior below RB.
Those for me.
Yeah that 8 yard behind the LOS hand off to a standing still Barkley crap is what cost them the 2017 game @OSU. No attempt to try to get him into space or isolated.
I’d love to see Barkley behind a decent line let alone a good one.
LB includes edge. I agree about OL. TE>RB I can see but RBs just aren't valued in the NFL today
RBs just burn out quicker, and very noticeable. OBJ has been burnt out for 4-5 years now and he still gets good deals. WR almost has to fall flat. Particularly with the absolute need for 3 good WRs on every roster.
RBs should be paid more for a shorter career. But the NFL is a passing league….. so backs get less, QBs and WRs get the cash. And middle LBs are not as impactful as previous years.
If I’m Saquon I want out of NJ for 2 reasons. OL and bad turf. He’s taking a hell of a pounding.
It is always about money in these deals. These guys have short careers and they want guaranteed money. NFL players have finally started wising up. For too long they took these 7-year $100M deals and got released after 3-years and making $21M.
Saquon may be the last running back to be drafted in the top 5.
KiJana is the last running back to be drafted #1.
I understand what Saquon is doing but he is overvaluing the position, same with Pollard & Jacobs.
This is more about how running backs are treated contractually, so future running backs can thank these three if they can flip the script.
NFL teams:
Draft running back that's top 3 round worthy.
Get a 3/4 year value rookie deal out of them.
Franchise tag them up to twice.
Draft a new running back and release the worn tires.
KiJana is the last running back to be drafted #1.
I understand what Saquon is doing but he is overvaluing the position, same with Pollard & Jacobs.
This is more about how running backs are treated contractually, so future running backs can thank these three if they can flip the script.
NFL teams:
Draft running back that's top 3 round worthy.
Get a 3/4 year value rookie deal out of them.
Franchise tag them up to twice.
Draft a new running back and release the worn tires.
Barkley needs out of NY, they don’t appreciate his value on and off the field. I hope he either leaves this season per trade or next. Go to a winning organization. All that money they wasted on D. Jones and now trying to trash Barkley in the media to make it appear he is greedy. Saquon deserves so much better than this treatment.
He shoulda sat out his second season, telling to get an offensive line or he will sit until contract is up.
Some good analysis on RB value.
"It's crazy to me because running backs bring so much value," Packers Pro Bowl running back Aaron Jones told CBS Sports on Monday when asked about the running back market after Jacobs, Barkley, and Pollard didn't receive new deals. "You got to be able to protect, and have to pass protect just like an offensive lineman. You have to know all the offensive line calls up front, who they're working to. You have to run the ball as well with 11 guys trying to hit you. You make it hard to take you off the field, so you're involved in the passing game. You're doing just as much as anyone else except for the quarterback and maybe the center [on offense]. I really don't understand how the position got devalued, but I hope our value comes back because if you look at it, running backs make a big difference in the game. Whether it's protecting the quarterback -- being that sixth-man in protection -- running the ball, or taking pressure off of the quarterback [in the passing game]."
"It's crazy to me because running backs bring so much value," Packers Pro Bowl running back Aaron Jones told CBS Sports on Monday when asked about the running back market after Jacobs, Barkley, and Pollard didn't receive new deals. "You got to be able to protect, and have to pass protect just like an offensive lineman. You have to know all the offensive line calls up front, who they're working to. You have to run the ball as well with 11 guys trying to hit you. You make it hard to take you off the field, so you're involved in the passing game. You're doing just as much as anyone else except for the quarterback and maybe the center [on offense]. I really don't understand how the position got devalued, but I hope our value comes back because if you look at it, running backs make a big difference in the game. Whether it's protecting the quarterback -- being that sixth-man in protection -- running the ball, or taking pressure off of the quarterback [in the passing game]."
Unfortunately the Giants have no QB’s or WR’s, so they’re paying the wrong players just because everyone else is doing it.
I probably like Danny Dimes more than most, but I am not a NYG fan. Last year they had probably the worst luck with WR's in NFL history. Everybody got hurt and they ended up playing the backups' backups. I don't know if any of the projected starters are any good but it can't be worse.
Yeah, I don't get all the Danny Dimes hate after last season with the receiving core he had. He's better than most give him credit for. Easily a solid NFL starting QB if not better. I'd take him over some other guys like Dak Prescott, Deshaun Watson, Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Mac Jones, Kyler Murray, Jared Goff, whatever guy Washington and Tampa go with and Justin Fields. There's more but that's just a start. I'd also take Jones over Pickett as a Steelers fan in a second. Jones with the Freiermuth, DJ and Pickens would put up great numbers.
His biggest contribution is his running and that’s usually after he fakes to Barkley because everyone keys on Saquon. Danny Dimes is a pretty dumb nickname since he’s not that accurate. They did have bad luck with their receivers, but their first team receivers weren’t that great. He’s an average QB with decent running ability, but he will not be able to lead them to the promised land. Of Barkley sits out, they will see pretty quickly how much they need him….he’s not the kind of player that a third rounder can fill in for and be as productive. Plus defenses won’t spend all their time keying on a third rounder thereby freeing everyone else up.
Sort of like the NY Giants now. If he doesn't play it will be a rude awakening for the G men when teams aren't gearing there defense to stop Barkley. In the end I think he plays.
Ottis Anderson fears Saquon Barkley didn’t make correct Giants decision: ‘Wish him luck’
Ottis Anderson can’t be convinced that Barkley made the right choice in not accepting the Giants’ latest offer, an offer now past its expiration date.
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Anderson is 100% correct. Again this comes down to Barkley getting very bad advice or worrying about the RB market not himself. We can paint it as the later if people want him to be a hero for this.
It’s not so much as it’s a passing league. It’s more that rookie contacts for players are set a much lower that what the market value is. For most players (who have successful NFL careers) that’s not a huge deal because they will make up for it when they sign their big contracts when the become a free agent after 4-5 years in the league. But many Running Backs are already past their prime by then.
These Running Backs need to be talking to their union reps about the issue. Seems the problem is the collective bargaining agreement.
Ottis Anderson fears Saquon Barkley didn’t make correct Giants decision: ‘Wish him luck’
Ottis Anderson can’t be convinced that Barkley made the right choice in not accepting the Giants’ latest offer, an offer now past its expiration date.
Anderson is 100% correct. Again this comes down to Barkley getting very bad advice or worrying about the RB market not himself. We can paint it as the later if people want him to be a hero for this.
What did you say about posting articles and articulating points? Lol
I said one shouldn't have to which I stand by lol
I feel like you all need to hear it from a former NFL player because everyone's bias towards Barkley is blinding you all from reality here. Barkley already made a bad decision. We'll see how much worse he makes it.
Honestly what do people think the union is going to do? They can't create different rules for RBs. Rookie contracts are less to get more money to vets. I don't know what people think us fair. No one is getting McCaffrey money. Giants made a fair offer given the market, his elite talent and the positional value of a RB. Using McCaffrey's deal would be like QBs using Watson's. Just because one team made a mistake doesn't mean others should.
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