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RIP pro golfer Grayson Murray, age 30

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He died this morning, suddenly, cause has yet to be released. he won the PGA Sony Open in Hawaii earlier this year. Apparely had a drinking problem but recently got sober. Was ranked #58 in the world when he passed. he apparently plaid 16 holes at this week's event before pulling out after 16 holes citing illness.

 
He died this morning, suddenly, cause has yet to be released. he won the PGA Sony Open in Hawaii earlier this year. Apparely had a drinking problem but recently got sober. Was ranked #58 in the world when he passed. he apparently plaid 16 holes at this week's event before pulling out after 16 holes citing illness.

He also suffered with anxiety and depression. First thoughts are unfortunately suicide or OD but you just never know. Regardless, incredibly sad and way too young.
 
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Forgive him…..the Wuhan virus
made him do it!

I guess the idea of Covid killing people is laughable and absurd these days.

Poor 9195. 3 years ago those lefties attscking him would be wearing their masks hiding in their basements telling us how Wuhan would kill everyone.
 
I guess the idea of Covid killing people is laughable and absurd these days.

Poor 9195. 3 years ago those lefties attscking him would be wearing their masks hiding in their basements telling us how Wuhan would kill everyone.
What is laughable…..and ridiculous …is to automatically blame every death of the virus or the vaccines. Aren’t we supposed to follow science?

I remember we ridiculed our overlords for blaming everything on the virus so why now do the same thing?
 
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What is laughable…..and ridiculous …is to automatically blame every death of the virus or the vaccines. Aren’t we supposed to follow science?

I remember we ridiculed our overlords for blaming everything on the virus so why now do the same thing?

Well said and I agree, Spin, but @91Joe95 is a good guy, a fair guy, and far from an extremist.

Personally, I think we should all be cautious when news like this, another young athlete dying, comes down...for reasons you expressed. I've fallen into the trap myself of suspecting the vaccine, which everyone not living in total denial by now knows has some issues.

Meanwhile, Grayson Murray's apparent suicide testifies to the personal demons that so many people are tormented by. I mean, none of us are immune, but most find a way to navigate the pain.

This was a guy who seemed to have turned the corner...professed his faith...found a woman who was supposedly instrumental in his rehabilitation...and now this.

It goes to show that a person should never think they're out of the woods...that they've won. Be grateful for any progress you've made and wisdom that you've gained...but never forget that the struggle goes on...and will always go on. Because that's the human condition.
 
Well said and I agree, Spin, but @91Joe95 is a good guy, a fair guy, and far from an extremist.

Personally, I think we should all be cautious when news like this, another young athlete dying, comes down...for reasons you expressed. I've fallen into the trap myself of suspecting the vaccine, which everyone not living in total denial by now knows has some issues.

Meanwhile, Grayson Murray's apparent suicide testifies to the personal demons that so many people are tormented by. I mean, none of us are immune, but most find a way to navigate the pain.

This was a guy who seemed to have turned the corner...professed his faith...found a woman who was supposedly instrumental in his rehabilitation...and now this.

It goes to show that a person should never think they're out of the woods...that they've won. Be grateful for any progress you've made and wisdom that you've gained...but never forget that the struggle goes on...and will always go on. Because that's the human condition.
I agree that Joe is a good guy. He is correct on most issues. But this vaccine stuff is over the the top. It’s using death for political gain…. much like the left did with the Wuhan, George Floyd, Trevor Martin and more.
 
Sad. Suicide. This is the result of addictions.

Apparently, the guy won in Feb then invited a stripper/onlyfans gal to caddie for him at the Masters even though he had a GF. My guess is that he fell off the wagon after winning in Hawaii. He dropped out of the event on Friday after 16 holes. I am not sure his score but figure this was due to a hangover. he then went back to his rented home and killed himself. He was engaged.

Golf can be a longly sport for a pro as all of your friends are your competition. The great players have an entourage (coach, agent, caddie, etc.). Most players do not. Point is, they have someone to confide in. Do most of their time is traveling from place to place with a group of guys and roadies. Not a great environment for someone with addictions.
 
Sad. Suicide. This is the result of addictions.

Apparently, the guy won in Feb then invited a stripper/onlyfans gal to caddie for him at the Masters even though he had a GF. My guess is that he fell off the wagon after winning in Hawaii. He dropped out of the event on Friday after 16 holes. I am not sure his score but figure this was due to a hangover. he then went back to his rented home and killed himself. He was engaged.
It’s a chicken or the egg scenario. Suicide the result of his addictions or addictions the result of his mental illness. More likely the later. Probably trying to self medicate and the downward spiral begins.
 
It’s a chicken or the egg scenario. Suicide the result of his addictions or addictions the result of his mental illness. More likely the later. Probably trying to self medicate and the downward spiral begins.
Good thought. There are tons of addictions: booze, drugs, food, gambling, porn, etc. Cause or Effect? Each is different, I would assume. I listened to Alice Cooper interview where he stated one day he woke up and didn't like who he was. The drugs and women were taking a toll. If you know his story, you know that he had reinvented himself many times to ultimately fall on being the stage act "Allice Cooper". He struggled to kick his booze/drug/groupie addition. So he learned to do it by taking on a different addiction. He started to golf every single day. So he schedules golf every day, rain or shine, home or on the road, every day early in the morning.

Regardless, Grayson is simply one of way too many who will take their lives this year. it is hard to imagine someone in the prime of life, making millions and living the life most of us just dream about couldn't cope. My advice to him would have been to take some time off an volunteer at an old age home, hospital or food bank. Life is about accomplishment in whatever that means to you. Apparently, being a successful pro-golfer wasn't getting it done. Has he looked, he'd have realized he could have done so much with his life. Sad.
 
Tragic. Makes one wonder if people fighting mental health issues should be playing high pressure, high profile sports.

Take time off and get healthy 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏿‍♂️
Not sure golf caused his depression, especially since he recently won. Could it be relationship issues?

These things are difficult to understand.
 
Not sure golf caused his depression, especially since he recently won. Could it be relationship issues?

These things are difficult to understand.
Did find it interesting that in his parents statement about all the people who loved him, his fiance was conspicuously not mentioned.
 
Not sure golf caused his depression, especially since he recently won. Could it be relationship issues?

These things are difficult to understand.
Never said golf caused his depression. But fighting depression or any mental health issue is extremely difficult in the best situations.

Adding in a very stressful, competitive sport. High profile. Life on the road. Outside pressures like sponsor responsibilities. Poor diet and sleep habits. Strains on personal relationships. All of that is tough even on the healthiest people.
 
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Never said golf caused his depression. But fighting depression or any mental health issue is extremely difficult in the best situations.

Adding in a very stressful, competitive sport. High profile. Life on the road. Outside pressures like sponsor responsibilities. Poor diet and sleep habits. Strains on personal relationships. All of that is tough even on the healthiest people.
Totally agree. Depression is often a condition that has nothing to do with the person's environment. In other words, the life of a successful touring pro would seem to be ideal. But depression combined with that kind of unstructured life would seem to be a challenge. Access to his demons with no anchor (wife, family, children, close friends) makes staying straight even more difficult.

I read that he had this fiancee that he really liked. I also read that he invited some kind of model (stripper, only fans kind of gal) to be his caddie at the Masters. Most of those articles have been taken down and I don't think it ever happened. But someplace between his win in Feb on last week, he went off the rails. (again)

 
Never said golf caused his depression. But fighting depression or any mental health issue is extremely difficult in the best situations.

Adding in a very stressful, competitive sport. High profile. Life on the road. Outside pressures like sponsor responsibilities. Poor diet and sleep habits. Strains on personal relationships. All of that is tough even on the healthiest people.
Who knows?

I'm pretty bad at mental health topics because they are difficult to prove like a broken bone.

Personally I think everybody deals with varying degrees of life stress and everybody has some degree of mental illness. Most people can cope with those stresses but some can't.
 
Good thought. There are tons of addictions: booze, drugs, food, gambling, porn, etc. Cause or Effect? Each is different, I would assume. I listened to Alice Cooper interview where he stated one day he woke up and didn't like who he was. The drugs and women were taking a toll. If you know his story, you know that he had reinvented himself many times to ultimately fall on being the stage act "Allice Cooper". He struggled to kick his booze/drug/groupie addition. So he learned to do it by taking on a different addiction. He started to golf every single day. So he schedules golf every day, rain or shine, home or on the road, every day early in the morning.

Regardless, Grayson is simply one of way too many who will take their lives this year. it is hard to imagine someone in the prime of life, making millions and living the life most of us just dream about couldn't cope. My advice to him would have been to take some time off an volunteer at an old age home, hospital or food bank. Life is about accomplishment in whatever that means to you. Apparently, being a successful pro-golfer wasn't getting it done. Has he looked, he'd have realized he could have done so much with his life. Sad.
Depression isn't rational. Looking from the outside, it's hard to imagine that someone in his position would see himself as a failure. Through the eyes of depression, it would be hard to see it as anything other than complete failure. It's no more rational than a person with anorexia looking at themselves in the mirror and seeing a person who needs to lose weight when they actually are seriously malnourished. If a person in that condition could see things clearly and accurately, they wouldn't have a problem. As odd as it may seem, someone suffering from depression may experience their greatest sense of failure in the midst of great success. Any advice other than seeking medical help would be no less worthless if it was given in a language he didn't understand.
 
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