Roar's Big Ten Seeding - 2019

[RoarLions1]

Not in competition with regularfan, just answering nitlion's gauntlet throw.

I had 125 done, and was working on 133...and trust me, it'll be a lot easier next year when my employment situation changes. Here's a start...a bit rushed;

125
#1 S. Rivera NU 7-1
#2 S. Lee IA 7-0
#3 R. Foley MSU 7-1
#4 S. Russell MN 6-1
#5 T. Piotrowski ILL 6-3
#6 D. Mattin UM 6-1
#7 Z. Moisey NEB 5-4
#8 C. Brown WIS 3-1
#9 D. Schroder PUR 5-1
#10 M. Heinselman tOSU 3-3

The very first weight class I reviewed is a mess. Only three of 14 guys wrestled in all nine duals, seven guys have one loss or fewer in conference duals (noted above), and I’m giving the only undefeated guy in conference the #2 seed. Others, like Brown (WIS) haven't wrestled recently, and it looks like Oliver has replaced Cronin for IND. I’m giving Rivera (NU) #1, on the strength of a 7-3 HTH win at Midlands against #2 Lee (IA). Rivera did have a loss, but I did not count it towards seeding, as it was against #1 @ 133 Micic (UM), when Rivera went up a weight class. Foley (MSU) was an easy #3, only losing to Rivera, though by Major, in a dual. My #4 seed, Russell (MN), was 6-1 though two of those were forfeit wins. His loss was to Lee, but only 4-0. Russell beat Moisey by Fall in conference, and Mattin and Piotrowski at Cliff Keen, so #4 it is. Here’s where it gets the messiest. I’m going #5 Piotrowski (ILL). His only losses were to the top-3 seeds, and he beat Mattin (UM), and Moisey (NEB) HTH in conference. He did have three losses to B1G foes in tournaments (Russell, Mattin, and Brown (WIS)), but I use them mostly as tie-breakers and didn’t need them here. My #6 Mattin only lost to Piotrowski (but beat him at Cliff Keen), though his other B1G wins were against five of the six lowest seeded guys plus a back-up vs NU. He did beat Moisey and Piotrowski in tournaments. #7 Moisey has the worst record of the top-9, but I placed him in front of #8 Brown (partial season, no good wins), and #9 Schroder (PUR, 5-1, two wins vs back-ups, and his other three vs the lower performing wrestlers in the B1G). Heinselman gets #10. Note that #9 and #10 may move up a spot if Brown can’t go (he last wrestled 1/13).

That's all. No.'s 11 through 14 are interchangeable, with each having one conference win. The HTH's help, though they didn't all wrestle each other.

The seeds above were finished before regularfan's post, and the similarity is stunning. Not all weight classes will fall in line as this one did.

 

[pish69]

Don’t tease us Roar...can we fast forward to 133, 141 and 184?

 

[RoarLions1]

Don’t tease us Roar...can we fast forward to 133, 141 and 184?

You'll get your reasonable wish. 133 tomorrow, 141 the next day, then skipping to 184...

 

[ccdiver]

You'll get your reasonable wish. 133 tomorrow, 141 the next day, then skipping to 184...

Going to save the “controversial” 165 for last?

 

[psumacw]

your list is the same as the list i made taking just dual points earned in big ten matches, with the exception of 8 and 9 switched. makes me feel good that my model can nearly replicate the thoughts of rational, informed person.

on the other hand, we'll see what happens tomorrow...

 

[86PSUPaul]

your list is the same as the list i made taking just dual points earned in big ten matches, with the exception of 8 and 9 switched. makes me feel good that my model can nearly replicate the thoughts of rational, informed person.

on the other hand, we'll see what happens tomorrow...

Who said Roar is a rational and informed person? Well, ok, everyone pretty much does.......

 

[burnsie1983]

I consider a "like" from Roar to be worth roughly 2-3 times more valuable than the average like.

 

[jschrantz]

I consider a "like" from Roar to be worth roughly 2-3 times more valuable than the average like.

When I post, I’m sure Roar is somewhere shaking his head in disgust 25% of the time . He’s like the coach that is always watching

 

[RoarLions1]

Because I didn't do it on my OP, here's the spiel that should precede all of this work...

It’s here again, that time of year just after the final B1G Conference bouts of the year (though Rutgers / Maryland happens on 2/22), yet prior to the conference coaches voting for their version of the pre-seeds. Their votes will be tabulated, compiled, and should be released Monday, March 4th.

Guidelines are; body-of-work, 2018-19 only, and just bouts between conference foes. HTH is HUGE, and my analyses mention tournament bouts too, but often as tie-breakers. A wrestler’s record is one consideration, though with 9 conference duals, and 14 teams, it’s possible to catch all or most of the top guys, or miss all or most of the top guys, so the records are often misleading. WHO one wrestles and beats or loses to should be considered. Another factor this year, are just how many back-ups wrestled in duals. Winning against back-ups inflates a wrestler’s conference record (assuming they win!!), so that is a consideration.

I am adding that disclaimer, as it is my observation that records occasionally trump all when pre-seeds are announced, and it should not, imo.

So read away, ENJOY if you can (it’s intended to spark discussion, not anxiety), correct any mistakes, or beat me up if you must…I’ll try to do 1-2 weight classes per day. Each weight class may be pre-seeded more than eight, but all will be at least eight.

133
#1 S. Micic UM 9-0
#2 A. DeSanto IA 7-0
#3 N. Suriano RUT 6-2
#4 E. Lizak MN 7-1
#5 L. Pletcher tOSU 7-2
#6 R. Bravo-Young PSU 4-1
#7 B. Thornton PUR 4-5
#8 D. Duncan ILL 3-5
#9 A. Tutolo MSU 3-4
#10 J. Lantz WIS 3-6 or C. Valdiviez NU 2-6

The top is really easy at 133. #1 Micic (UM), and #2 DeSanto (IA) are both undefeated in conference action. With two losses, but only losing to #1 and #2, I have #3 Suriano (RUT). Here it gets a bit crazy…7-2 Pletcher (tOSU) lost to RBY (PSU), who lost to 4-5 Thornton (PUR), while Lizak (MN) is 7-1, but only wrestled one in the top six (a loss to DeSanto), and lost to Pletcher at Cliff Keen. Still, give me #4 Lizak, and #5 Pletcher in picks that really don’t matter, as they should meet in the quarters, even if flipped. Conference record was my tiebreaker. #6 RBY defeated Pletcher at the dual, a great win, and despite RBY’s loss to #7 Thornton, I’ll grant the higher seed over Thornton. Only argument is Thornton’s good losses, all five against guys ahead of him, so there is some logic to swapping spots. #8 Duncan (ILL) gets the nod over #9 Tutolo because of a HTH win, despite a marginally bad loss to Lantz (WIS). #10 was a toss-up between Lantz and Valdiviez (NU). Lantz had the better win, vs Duncan, but Valdiviez beat Lantz HTH. Final three, for me, are #12 Konrath (IND), #13 Parrish (NEB), and #14 Anderson (MD).

 

[RoarLions1]

Going to save the “controversial” 165 for last?

Maybe I'll hit that one after 184. I know nomad reads this, as he took a whole weight class to twitter last year. Doubt he'll do the same with my 165 when he sees it .

 

[pish69]

Because I didn't do it on my OP, here's the spiel that should precede all of this work...

It’s here again, that time of year just after the final B1G Conference bouts of the year (though Rutgers / Maryland happens on 2/22), yet prior to the conference coaches voting for their version of the pre-seeds. Their votes will be tabulated, compiled, and should be released Monday, March 4th.

Guidelines are; body-of-work, 2018-19 only, and just bouts between conference foes. HTH is HUGE, and my analyses mention tournament bouts too, but often as tie-breakers. A wrestler’s record is one consideration, though with 9 conference duals, and 14 teams, it’s possible to catch all or most of the top guys, or miss all or most of the top guys, so the records are often misleading. WHO one wrestles and beats or loses to should be considered. Another factor this year, are just how many back-ups wrestled in duals. Winning against back-ups inflates a wrestler’s conference record (assuming they win!!), so that is a consideration.

I am adding that disclaimer, as it is my observation that records occasionally trump all when pre-seeds are announced, and it should not, imo.

So read away, ENJOY if you can (it’s intended to spark discussion, not anxiety), correct any mistakes, or beat me up if you must…I’ll try to do 1-2 weight classes per day. Each weight class may be pre-seeded more than eight, but all will be at least eight.

133
#1 S. Micic UM 9-0
#2 A. DeSanto IA 7-0
#3 N. Suriano RUT 6-2
#4 E. Lizak MN 7-1
#5 L. Pletcher tOSU 7-2
#6 R. Bravo-Young PSU 4-1
#7 B. Thornton PUR 4-5
#8 D. Duncan ILL 3-5
#9 A. Tutolo MSU 3-4
#10 J. Lantz WIS 3-6 or C. Valdiviez NU 2-6

The top is really easy at 133. #1 Micic (UM), and #2 DeSanto (IA) are both undefeated in conference action. With two losses, but only losing to #1 and #2, I have #3 Suriano (RUT). Here it gets a bit crazy…7-2 Pletcher (tOSU) lost to RBY (PSU), who lost to 4-5 Thornton (PUR), while Lizak (MN) is 7-1, but didn’t wrestle the top-3, and lost to Pletcher at Cliff Keen. Give me #4 Lizak, and #5 Pletcher in picks that really don’t matter, as they should meet in the quarters, even if flipped. Conference record was my tiebreaker. #6 RBY defeated Pletcher at the dual, a great win, and despite RBY’s loss to #7 Thornton, I’ll grant the higher seed over Thornton. Only argument is Thornton’s good losses, all five against guys ahead of him, so there is some logic to swapping spots. #8 Duncan (ILL) gets the nod over #9 Tutolo because of a HTH win, despite a marginally bad loss to Lantz (WIS). #10 was a toss-up between Lantz and Valdiviez (NU). Lantz had the better win, vs Duncan, but Valdiviez beat Lantz HTH. Final three, for me, are #12 Konrath (IND), #13 Parrish (NEB), and #14 Anderson (MD).

Hoping you’re wrong somewhere. Would much rather see DeSanto in quarters than Nick

 

[jmadden1998]

Hoping you’re wrong somewhere. Would much rather see DeSanto in quarters than Nick

If he beats Fix on Sunday will you feel the same?

 

[pish69]

If he beats Fix on Sunday will you feel the same?

Yep. I look at styles. Not who beats who. Desanto RBY will be high flying fun and I feel RBY better (whether he wins or loses, I don’t care, I just think this will be a super match up of two guys that will let it fly). Where as Nick is super conservative and would be one take down match

PS—don’t take it as disrespectful to DeSanto, he’s had a helluva year

 

[jmadden1998]

Yep. I look at styles. Not who beats who. Desanto RBY will be high flying fun and I feel RBY better (whether he wins or loses, I don’t care, I just think this will be a super match up of two guys that will let it fly). Where as Nick is super conservative and would be one take down match

PS—don’t take it as disrespectful to DeSanto, he’s had a helluva year

That makes sense. Wasn’t taking offense, just wondering your rationale. I really hope we see RBY/Desanto for the reasons you describe.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Unrelated but has anyone heard if Wilson from NCSt, will be back on the mat for the post season? The guy is tough as nails if healthy and very fun to watch.

 

[DaemonsDamon]

@RoarLions1 did you do these before the social media/message board era or did the ability to share them with others make you more likely to do them?

 

[nerfstate]

while Lizak (MN) is 7-1, but didn’t wrestle the top-3

These are awesome. I’d be happy if you were the seeding committee.

Lizak did wrestle DeSanto though, yes?

 

[RoarLions1]

These are awesome. I’d be happy if you were the seeding committee.

Lizak did wrestle DeSanto though, yes?

Thanks, even in my notes it's a 6-1 win hth for Austin.

Just an fyi...Lizak's w/l record is accurate above, and he did miss all the guys in the top-6 except DeSanto.

EDIT: Changed my write-up too, so it's accurate.

 

[RoarLions1]

@RoarLions1 did you do these before the social media/message board era or did the ability to share them with others make you more likely to do them?

Year 11. Only here for 3-4 years, or something like that. The way time flies, it could be 5 .

 

[RoarLions1]

141
#1 N. Lee PSU 8-1
#2 M. Carr ILL 7-0
#3 J. McKenna tOSU 6-1
#4 T. Moran WIS 6-2
#5 M. McKee MN 7-2
#6 K. Storr UM 6-3
#7 C. Red NEB 4-4
#8 M. Murin IA 4-3
#9 P. Lipari RUT 3-5
#10 N. Limmex PUR 3-5

What does one do when the top two guys could’ve settled it on the mat, but didn’t and it was no one’s fault? I tried to think through it logically. #1 Lee beat the only conference guy ahead of him at the time (yes, it was national rankings), in his opponent’s house. Yes, Lee lost one in HIS house too, to a wrestler #2 Carr (ILL) beat (Moran, WIS), which does give me reservations. Carr had two shots to show his stuff, once against tOSU (Ragon wrestled, McKenna did not), and again at the PSU/ILL dual, when he was recovering. So, of the three, the only competition between them was Lee vs McKenna, and Lee won. It is a tough call, one I’m ok with if it’s flipped. It is an advantage to the #1 seed, as he skips #2&#3 until the finals if the brackets hold. Enough about #1 and #2.

#3 McKenna (tOSO) is an easy pick, and he has been dominating in his wins. #4 Moran gets the next spot on the strength of a HTH win vs #5 McKee (MN). Next, I unscrambled #6 Storr (UM), #7 Red (NEB), and #8 Murin (IA) by using Storr’s Cliff Keen out-of-conference HTH win over Red, and Murin’s recent loss to Luigs (IND), a 2-5 wrestler in conference. Luigs only other win was against Doetsch (MD, my #13). So, the logic is…Storr before Red because of HTH, then Murin behind them both from a marginally bad loss. None had any great wins.

#9 Lipari (RUT) gets my nod over #10 Limmex (PUR), because Lipari won HTH. After that, I have #11 Luigs, #12 Doesch, #13 Eicher (MSU), and #14 A. McKenna (NU).

 

[burnsie1983]

I sure hope that's the way 141 plays out, but I think Carr gets the top seed.

 

[pish69]

Awesome Roar, looking forward to 184 tomorrow

 

[RoarLions1]

184
#1 M. Martin tOSU 9-0
#2 T. Venz NEB 7-2
#3 C. Wilcke IA 8-1
#4 E. Parker ILL 7-2
#5 S. Rasheed PSU 3-0
#6 J. Embree UM 4-1
#7 M. Lyon PUR 6-3
#8 C. Caffey MSU 6-3
#9 M. Reinhardt WIS 4-5
#10 N. Gravina RUT 2-1

#1 Martin (tOSU) easily outdistances the field here. Next is a toss-up, Wilcke (IA) beat Venz (NEB), Venz beat Parker (ILL), Parker beat Wilcke, and both Parker and Venz lost to Martin, while Wilcke didn’t wrestle Martin. The Martin losses don’t matter in this A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A situation, as they are good losses (if there is such a thing). Venz also lost to Martin at Cliff Keen, but that doesn’t matter here either, given the HTH’s amongst these three. Toss ‘em in a hat, and make a random draw!! Nah, I’m going to do something I rarely do…go outside the conference for my tiebreaker. Venz beat Foster (UNI), while Wilcke lost to him, and Parker has a weak out-of-conference schedule. So there you have it…#2 Venz, #3 Wilcke, and #4 Parker.

What about Rasheed, my PSU friends might ask? I’m going #5. His conference resume, no fault of Shak’s, is 3-0 with no great wins (he beat my #6, #9, and #14 seeds). Body of work, current season…I’ve been consistent in that reasoning, or thought process, for the decade I’ve been doing this. The Big Ten might disagree, we’ll see. Won't matter in the end...seeds aren't predictions, and predictions don't take the place of tournament results. At the end of Big Ten's, all the wrestlers will have done what they can to "earn" their NCAA seed.

After that is #6 Embree (UM), losing HTH to Rasheed, and with no great wins. #7 Lyon (PUR), and #8 Caffey (MSU) were both 6-3, with a Lyon HTH win against the Spartan the difference. #9 is Reinhardt (WIS), at 4-5 in the conference, but all five of those losses were to the top-5 guys. #10 is Gravina (RUT) at 2-1, no good wins, and a loss to Reinhardt HTH, and questionable for the tourney given his injury history. The next four are #11 Conley (IND), #12 Krone (MINN), #13 Jasenski (MD), and #14 Devine (NU).

 

[dunkej01]

184
#1 M. Martin tOSU 9-0
#2 T. Venz NEB 7-2
#3 C. Wilcke IA 8-1
#4 E. Parker ILL 7-2
#5 S. Rasheed PSU 3-0
#6 J. Embree UM 4-1
#7 M. Lyon PUR 6-3
#8 C. Caffey MSU 6-3
#9 M. Reinhardt WIS 3-6
#10 N. Gravina RUT 2-1

#1 Martin (tOSU) easily outdistances the field here. Next is a toss-up, Wilcke (IA) beat Venz (NEB), Venz beat Parker (ILL), Parker beat Wilcke, and both Parker and Venz lost to Martin, while Wilcke didn’t wrestle Martin. The Martin losses don’t matter in this A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A situation, as they are good losses (if there is such a thing). Venz also lost to Martin at Cliff Keen, but that doesn’t matter here either, given the HTH’s amongst these three. Toss ‘em in a hat, and make a random draw!! Nah, I’m going to do something I rarely do…go outside the conference for my tiebreaker. Venz beat Foster (UNI), while Wilcke lost to him, and Parker has a weak out-of-conference schedule. So there you have it…#2 Venz, #3 Wilcke, and #4 Parker.

What about Rasheed, my PSU friends might ask? I’m going #5. His conference resume, no fault of Shak’s, is 3-0 with no great wins (he beat my #6, #9, and #14 seeds). Body of work, current season…I’ve been consistent in that reasoning, or thought process, for the decade I’ve been doing this. The Big Ten might disagree, we’ll see. Won't matter in the end...seeds aren't predictions, and predictions don't take the place of tournament results. At the end of Big Ten's, all the wrestlers will have done what they can to "earn" their NCAA seed.

After that is #6 Embree (UM), losing HTH to Rasheed, and with no great wins. #7 Lyon (PUR), and #8 Caffey (MSU) were both 6-3, with a Lyon HTH win against the Spartan the difference. #9 is Reinhardt (WIS), at 3-6 in the conference, five of those losses were to the top-5 guys, but the Jasenski (MD) loss was a bad loss. #10 is Gravina (RUT) at 2-1, no good wins, and a loss to Reinhardt HTH, and questionable for the tourney given his injury history. The next four are #11 Conley (IND), #12 Krone (MINN), #13 Jasenski (MD), and #14 Devine (NU).

Now that Roar has Sugar at the 5, all the flo hate should go away.

 

[SWPA]

184
#1 M. Martin tOSU 9-0
#2 T. Venz NEB 7-2
#3 C. Wilcke IA 8-1
#4 E. Parker ILL 7-2
#5 S. Rasheed PSU 3-0
#6 J. Embree UM 4-1
#7 M. Lyon PUR 6-3
#8 C. Caffey MSU 6-3
#9 M. Reinhardt WIS 3-6
#10 N. Gravina RUT 2-1

#1 Martin (tOSU) easily outdistances the field here. Next is a toss-up, Wilcke (IA) beat Venz (NEB), Venz beat Parker (ILL), Parker beat Wilcke, and both Parker and Venz lost to Martin, while Wilcke didn’t wrestle Martin. The Martin losses don’t matter in this A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A situation, as they are good losses (if there is such a thing). Venz also lost to Martin at Cliff Keen, but that doesn’t matter here either, given the HTH’s amongst these three. Toss ‘em in a hat, and make a random draw!! Nah, I’m going to do something I rarely do…go outside the conference for my tiebreaker. Venz beat Foster (UNI), while Wilcke lost to him, and Parker has a weak out-of-conference schedule. So there you have it…#2 Venz, #3 Wilcke, and #4 Parker.

What about Rasheed, my PSU friends might ask? I’m going #5. His conference resume, no fault of Shak’s, is 3-0 with no great wins (he beat my #6, #9, and #14 seeds). Body of work, current season…I’ve been consistent in that reasoning, or thought process, for the decade I’ve been doing this. The Big Ten might disagree, we’ll see. Won't matter in the end...seeds aren't predictions, and predictions don't take the place of tournament results. At the end of Big Ten's, all the wrestlers will have done what they can to "earn" their NCAA seed.

After that is #6 Embree (UM), losing HTH to Rasheed, and with no great wins. #7 Lyon (PUR), and #8 Caffey (MSU) were both 6-3, with a Lyon HTH win against the Spartan the difference. #9 is Reinhardt (WIS), at 3-6 in the conference, five of those losses were to the top-5 guys, but the Jasenski (MD) loss was a bad loss. #10 is Gravina (RUT) at 2-1, no good wins, and a loss to Reinhardt HTH, and questionable for the tourney given his injury history. The next four are #11 Conley (IND), #12 Krone (MINN), #13 Jasenski (MD), and #14 Devine (NU).

Roar, Any chance you can redo your numbers and drop Shak to 6?

 

[jschrantz]

Roar, Any chance you can redo your numbers and drop Shak to 6?

Yes. Please

 

[dunkej01]

Roar, Any chance you can redo your numbers and drop Shak to 6?

exactly, if he isnt the 3...lets lobby for the 6 or 7 spot

C'mon Nomad do that article. We will back you!

 

[RoarLions1]

As my mother (rest her soul) used to say, it'll all come out in the wash.

 

[pish69]

Thanks Roar..this is what I was afraid of with respect to your 184 seeding..Shak/Martin..same side..ugh..hopefully they do it differently, but I think you're spot on

 

[jschrantz]

Thanks Roar..this is what I was afraid of with respect to your 184 seeding..Shak/Martin..same side..ugh..hopefully they do it differently, but I think you're spot on

Agreed, I just hope Shak and Myles not on same side in Pittsburgh. That'd be cruel

 

[pish69]

So far..very impressed with the your seedings..hoping RBY could move to 7 seed and Shak either up to 2/3 or down a spot to 6

 

[RoarLions1]

Thanks Roar..this is what I was afraid of with respect to your 184 seeding..Shak/Martin..same side..ugh..hopefully they do it differently, but I think you're spot on

You're not missing anything, but don't lose sight of wrestlebacks. Losing in the semi's, and a wrestler still has two tough matches to get to third, which wouldn't be a bad result for Shak in the sense that it does not hurt him for NCAA's, imo.

Pre-seeds come out Monday, March 4th, and more will be discussed, but let's speculate for a second.... Rasheed may have two matches against the likes of Venz / Wilcke / Parker, and surely one. Those are the matches he needs to win that help him get the seed we all hope he gets at NCAA's (opposite side from Martin).

Here's a short list of the cast of characters for the NCAA's at 184...
Reenen, NC State, 12-2
Preisch, Lehigh, 16-2
Zavatsky, Va Tech, 21-3
Venz, Nebraska, 17-5
Dean, Cornell, 17-4
Parker, Illinois, 14-2
Smith, Oklahoma St, 22-3
Foster, UNI, 20-4

Reenen and Zavatsky are in the same conference, so at least one will take a loss. Preisch and Dean are in the same conference, so at least one will take a loss. Venz, Parker and Shak are in the same conference, and all likely will take a loss. Can't do much about Smith or Foster, though I wouldn't think their body of work would pass a 1-loss Rasheed.

Shak's fate is in his hands, right where he wants it, and seed at Big Ten's isn't really the concern. Get the job done (i.e. beat everyone but Martin), and 2nd or 3rd NCAA seed is likely.

 

[7brwnpsu]

Roar, off topic but I received a very nice book in the mail today. Please tell the group who worked on it thank you.

I just wish my parents were alive, they could see my name in the book along with David, Ed, Q, Zain, Jason, Cenzo, Bo, Mark..........

 

[RoarLions1]

Roar, off topic but I received a very nice book in the mail today. Please tell the group who worked on it thank you.

I just wish my parents were alive, they could see my name in the book along with David, Ed, Q, Zain, Jason, Cenzo, Bo, Mark..........

Done, labor of love, I assure you .

 

[Eastern HWT]

FYI Colbray of Iowa State just beat Foster of UNI 9-5

 

[pish69]

FYI Colbray of Iowa State just beat Foster of UNI 9-5

Shak will move down another couple slots in Flos ranking

 

[RoarLions1]

149
#1 A. Ashnault RUT 8-0
#2 M. Jordan tOSU 9-0
#3 P. Lugo IA 7-1
#4 T. Thorn MN 6-3
#5 C. Martin WIS 4-4
#6 B. Berge PSU 3-1
#7 M. Amine UM 4-3
#8 A. Bannister MD 3-3
#9 S. Oster/T. Yahya NU 2-4
#10 F. Silva IND 2-4

Top-2 finished undefeated, and both should be 9-0 after this weekend’s Rutgers / Maryland dual. Easy call though, with #1 Ashnault (RUT) winning a HTH vs #2 Jordan (tOSU) at the Cliff Keen, 14-10, Jordan’s only overall loss for the year. Another easy pick is #3 Lugo (IA), only loss to Ashnault, and winning vs Thorn (MN) and Martin (WIS). #4 Thorn has just an ok resume, losing to #1 and #3, and had an inexplicable Major Decision loss to 2-6 Shearer (NEB). In fact, all his B1G losses were bonus point wins for his opponents. Still, he won HTH vs #5 Martin, so gets the nod. Martin won HTH vs #6 Berge (PSU). This weight class is still a bit unsettled for the Lions, and if Verkleeren goes, I’ll flip him to #7, and move Amine up to #6, as Amine won HTH.

#7 Amine has no great wins, and a loss to Oster (NU), who may or may not be the guy for NU, as he split time with Yahya the last six Northwestern duals. Except for the Shearer win over Thorn, there is nothing notable for the next six guys. Bannister (MD) has the best record, at 3-3, with no great wins, and a loss to Oster. Oster lost to Kanzler (ILL), who lost to Shearer, who lost to Oster, and around and around and around we go. My picks are #8 Bannister, # 9 Oster, #10 Silva (IND), #11 Jordan (NEB), #12 Kanzler, #13 Enriquez (MSU), and #14 Filius (PUR), based mostly on overall record, as the HTH records don’t help at all, except for #14 Filius, who did not win a conference dual.

 

[LemonPie]

Nitpicking here, but no reason for Embree to be seeded above Lyon and Caffey.

Good stuff, Roar. Looking forward to 285 the most

 

[WiscoWrastler]

184
#1 M. Martin tOSU 9-0
#2 T. Venz NEB 7-2
#3 C. Wilcke IA 8-1
#4 E. Parker ILL 7-2
#5 S. Rasheed PSU 3-0
#6 J. Embree UM 4-1
#7 M. Lyon PUR 6-3
#8 C. Caffey MSU 6-3
#9 M. Reinhardt WIS 3-6
#10 N. Gravina RUT 2-1

#1 Martin (tOSU) easily outdistances the field here. Next is a toss-up, Wilcke (IA) beat Venz (NEB), Venz beat Parker (ILL), Parker beat Wilcke, and both Parker and Venz lost to Martin, while Wilcke didn’t wrestle Martin. The Martin losses don’t matter in this A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A situation, as they are good losses (if there is such a thing). Venz also lost to Martin at Cliff Keen, but that doesn’t matter here either, given the HTH’s amongst these three. Toss ‘em in a hat, and make a random draw!! Nah, I’m going to do something I rarely do…go outside the conference for my tiebreaker. Venz beat Foster (UNI), while Wilcke lost to him, and Parker has a weak out-of-conference schedule. So there you have it…#2 Venz, #3 Wilcke, and #4 Parker.

What about Rasheed, my PSU friends might ask? I’m going #5. His conference resume, no fault of Shak’s, is 3-0 with no great wins (he beat my #6, #9, and #14 seeds). Body of work, current season…I’ve been consistent in that reasoning, or thought process, for the decade I’ve been doing this. The Big Ten might disagree, we’ll see. Won't matter in the end...seeds aren't predictions, and predictions don't take the place of tournament results. At the end of Big Ten's, all the wrestlers will have done what they can to "earn" their NCAA seed.

After that is #6 Embree (UM), losing HTH to Rasheed, and with no great wins. #7 Lyon (PUR), and #8 Caffey (MSU) were both 6-3, with a Lyon HTH win against the Spartan the difference. #9 is Reinhardt (WIS), at 3-6 in the conference, five of those losses were to the top-5 guys, but the Jasenski (MD) loss was a bad loss. #10 is Gravina (RUT) at 2-1, no good wins, and a loss to Reinhardt HTH, and questionable for the tourney given his injury history. The next four are #11 Conley (IND), #12 Krone (MINN), #13 Jasenski (MD), and #14 Devine (NU).

Not that it changes a lot but Reinhardt did NOT lose to Jasenski.

 

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Not that it changes a lot but Reinhardt did NOT lose to Jasenski.

According to WrestleStat (which I used almost exclusively and have for years) he did. From Reinhardt's page;

#87 Jasenski, Kyle (8 - 12) (Compare) #57 Maryland 02/02 Wisconsin - Maryland Dual 184 L DEC 2 - 1

...but on InterMat, it has Reinhardt winning 4-2...quick modification to write-up above.

andegre, is this a mistake?