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Rodger Williams slams alumni trustees for their lawsuit

Conflicts of interest, both ways

The PSAA should not have a seat on the Board of Trustees. It's a bald conflict of interest. The Alumni Association is an arm of the Penn State administration. It exists to cultivate friends for Penn State with the ultimate object of turning those friends into donors. To expect the PSAA to adopt a position contrary to the administration is just Alice in Wonderland naivete.

That said, neither should BoT members have seats on the Alumni Council. On that point, Roger Williams's argument is correct.


This post was edited on 4/15 10:17 PM by Evan Ceg
 
Originally posted by fairgambit:
now I wonder if I should consider burning my Penn State Alumni Association Lifetime Membership Card in protest of an Association that is anathema to me.
I'm thinking about asking for a refund of my lifetime membership...after the election, of course
 
Re: Conflicts of interest, both ways

No, Roger's argument is NOT correct, because he explicitly says that it's not a conflict for the AA to name a trustee.

I'm pretty sure this suit is aimed at exposing this hypocrisy.
 
Re: Conflicts of interest, both ways

Originally posted by Evan Ceg:
The PSAA should not have a seat on the Board of Trustees. It's a bald conflict of interest. The Alumni Association is an arm of the Penn State administration. It exists to cultivate friends for Penn State with the ultimate object of turning those friends into donors. To expect the PSAA to adopt a position contrary to the administration is just Alice in Wonderland naivete.

That said, neither should BoT members have seats on the Alumni Council. Rodger Williams's argument is correct.



This post was edited on 4/15 10:58 AM by Evan Ceg
I can see this. But that's not the problem. The problem is that it goes against the bylaws of the association. Which Roger is obligated to uphold.
 
PSAA Independence from PSU

The PSAA is independent and separate from the university? Partially.

"Who is he trying to fool? I'd love to see the annual report and learn how much revenue comes directly from the university. If that amount is more than zero then Williams' assertion of independent and separate is laughable. Hell, I think their office space is owned by the university."

University provides President's House and the adjoining Hintz Building at no cost to the ALumni Association, including: maintenance and utilities.

University provides salary and benefits to all PSAA employees.

Williams reports to a university VP (name escapes me) and the President of the ALumni Association.

It is a trange relationship at best.
 
Re: BJF you are correct & I believe it is even WORSE than that....

Plus don't forget the unelected past president automatically ascends to the trustee seat with no accountability to anyone but the insiders who placed her there. At the least the alumni trustees have to run for election to the AC.
 
Re: PSAA Independence from PSU

PSAA independent from Penn State? Not bloody likely.

A handful of years ago, I noticed that the PSAA had a job posting for a database marketing manager. Something right up my alley - responsible for maintaining the alumni/member contact information and how to utilize the database for marketing efforts, etc., etc. not really important - but the interesting thing about the job is that you'd effectively be an employee of Penn State and get all of those benefits, etc.

Which means, if you work for PSAA, you work for Penn State. On a scale of 0 to 100 in terms of independence, this ranks somewhere in the Kenny Frazier side of the spectrum: 0-10: Not Independent. high risk of conflict of interests. Let's be clear what the PSAA is - it is a branch of Penn State University that is (alledgely) acting as the Alumni outreach office.
 
Ah.............Penn State BOT's Ethics at its best............

Shame on them.........and shame on anyone with authority in this matter to let it happen.
 
Re: BJF you are correct & I believe it is even WORSE than that....

Originally posted by tk819:
Plus don't forget the unelected past president automatically ascends to the trustee seat with no accountability to anyone but the insiders who placed her there. At the least the alumni trustees have to run for election to the AC.
Not to mention that the PSAA Vice President automatically becomes President, who then becomes past president/trustee. So, become PSAA VP, and you're all set on the path to trusteeship.
 
Re: BJF you are correct & I believe it is even WORSE than that....


Originally posted by pmjoe:
Originally posted by tk819:
Plus don't forget the unelected past president automatically ascends to the trustee seat with no accountability to anyone but the insiders who placed her there. At the least the alumni trustees have to run for election to the AC.
Not to mention that the PSAA Vice President automatically becomes President, who then becomes past president/trustee. So, become PSAA VP, and you're all set on the path to trusteeship.
Exactly. And when the council was voting someone onto this path, did they even expect that person would become a trustee? Did they evaluate the VP candidate with that in mind?
 
Yes, Alumni Trustees should sue PSAA
(I am also copying this to alumni networking)

Re: http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/04/penn_states_alumni_executive_d.html

The alumni Trustees are 100 percent correct for suing the Penn State Alumni Association for making up Bylaws as it goes along. PSAA knows fully well that the "rule" under which the alumni Trustees were excluded from the ballot is not present in the written Bylaws, just as the manner in which the Bylaws are written does not permit PSAA to exclude petition candidates from the ballot. PSAA backed down under the threat of another lawsuit to include the two candidates in question.

"Williams said the alumni council nominating committee has previously determined that Penn State trustees should not be permitted to run for council seats." In other words, the nominating committee made up a rule without going to the trouble of having it added to the Bylaws--an excellent argument for having a court of law step in to rein in an out of control group of power brokers whose ethics are similar to those of Keith Masser and his cabal on the Board of Trustees.

PSAA has meanwhile proven that the rest of the reasoning is less than honest. "Firstly, there is a potential for disproportionate influence in council proceedings. Secondly, there is a potential for conflicts of interest. And lastly, there is a potential for compromising the association's independence and autonomy as a nonprofit organization separate from the university." This is simply not believable because PSAA is more than willing to have itself represented on the Board of Trustees. A PSAA Trustee also would have conflicts of interest, and jeopardize PSAA's autonomy, and PSAA knows it.

We need to look at the elephant in the living room, which is the infestation of PSAA by toadies and sycophants of the controlling majority of the Board of Trustees; the same group that, as proven by Keith Masser's and Kenneth Frazier's unwilling depositions in the Corman-NCAA lawsuit, not only scapegoated Joe Paterno (and thus destroyed the University's reputation), they subsequently lied about it to the public and the University. Former PSAA President Tom Hollander then threw away his honor and his good name by shilling for Upward State, and even attacking the handful of Trustees who were doing their fiduciary duty by joining the lawsuit against the NCAA.

It is quite clear that PSAA, as currently led, is an out of control, unaccountable appendage of Keith Masser and his fellow (proven) liars. I encourage the alumni Trustees to push their lawsuit forward, and also to use PSAA's initial exclusion of Elizabeth Morgan and Jim Smith from the ballot as evidence that PSAA is making up rules as it goes along (maybe taking ethical cues from Mark Emmert and the NCAA, and look where that got the NCAA) rather than following the rules on the books.

William A. Levinson, B.S. '78
 
I'm a roll of epic fails right now.

I'd ask someone to take away my keyboard, but I'm kind of curious what I'll do next.
 
Well, Rodger is about to get to make his case in court.

We'll see if you are correct or not at that time.
 
Re: BJF you are correct & I believe it is even WORSE than that....

Originally posted by Aoshiro:



Originally posted by pmjoe:


Originally posted by tk819:
Plus don't forget the unelected past president automatically ascends to the trustee seat with no accountability to anyone but the insiders who placed her there. At the least the alumni trustees have to run for election to the AC.
Not to mention that the PSAA Vice President automatically becomes President, who then becomes past president/trustee. So, become PSAA VP, and you're all set on the path to trusteeship.
Exactly. And when the council was voting someone onto this path, did they even expect that person would become a trustee? Did they evaluate the VP candidate with that in mind?
Further to how the path from VP works, the bylaws provide that:


Any person who is elected to the office of President or Vice President of the Council shall continue as an additional member of the Council if such person otherwise would be ineligible to continue as a member of the Council.So while elected for a 3 year term, if someone would be voted as VP in their 3rd year of that term, they could potentially: remain on the Council for 1 extra year as VP, then 2 more years as President, and 2 additional years as IPP and a member of the BOT, for a total of 7 years.

To the points being made: choose your VP carefully, very carefully.
This post was edited on 4/15 3:13 PM by PSU73
 
Re: BJF you are correct & I believe it is even WORSE than that....




Originally posted by Aoshiro:

Originally posted by pmjoe:
Originally posted by tk819:
Plus don't forget the unelected past president automatically ascends to the trustee seat with no accountability to anyone but the insiders who placed her there. At the least the alumni trustees have to run for election to the AC.
Not to mention that the PSAA Vice President automatically becomes President, who then becomes past president/trustee. So, become PSAA VP, and you're all set on the path to trusteeship.
Exactly. And when the council was voting someone onto this path, did they even expect that person would become a trustee? Did they evaluate the VP candidate with that in mind?
Vote for VP? Technically, but it is more of a rubber stamp. One candidate for VP is selected by the nominating committee of insiders and presented to the full council for confirmation. While nominations are accepted from the floor at that time, I think it rarely happens.

Chances are the designated VP initially came onto the council by virtue of being president of one of the societies rather than through the alumni election process. The society presidents are also often appointed not elected. During their first term on the council, individuals are pegged for leadership development and visibility, ensuring an easy"re"-election for a second term, this time through the alumni election process. They then can continue to ascend up the leadership ladder. The bottom line is alumni have very little say in who is selected as VP and ultimately trustee.
 
Can you all spell it correctly as Roger? Takes a little away from the

argument when you don't know his name. Not that he deserves respect, but...
 
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