a documentary on the hazing crisis on college campuses. Guess who’s in it? That’s right...Pulitzer Prize. So guess what that means? Penn State will be featured and she’ll get another opportunity to do what she loves more than anything else...trash her alma mater. SPM is in it too as per the commercial. It’s truly pathetic. SG can’t do ANYTHING but attack Penn State. Apparently she has no other journalistic skills - her skill set begins and ends with Penn State. SPM must have been feeding her info. while she was still DA, because we all know Ganim’s not capable of getting info. unless it’s spoon fed to her.
Saturday 8PM CNN - A Deadly Haze
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Well, “haze” is a weather term, so it makes sense that they’d use their favorite weather girl.
Whatever “floats their boats”, but I’m fairly certain that SG and SPM have a “unique relationship” wherein SG is the “male” and SPM is the “female”.
Apparently it’s called A Deadly Haze. I’ll correct the title. I just can’t believe that she is once again going after Penn State...because, you know, hazing doesn’t happen anywhere else.
It's cnn, it's cable "news". Why is anyone paying attention, it hyperbole when it not outright misrepresentation. We know what they did to PSU in the past, history repeats itself, no credibility imo.
I doubt it. but even if they did, what relevance does that have? Your post just oozes bigotry. You ought to be embarrassed by it.
Im curious if anyone here knew her or had friends that knew her at PSU? She seems to have an axe to grind with PSU. Its funny, we were talking about her this week, and I said "they wheel her out" for college scandals.
Edit: Looks like Alisyn Camerota is handling this for CNN. Makes sense with the HBO Paterno
fiction film playing. CNN does not want her to come off too biased against PSU.
Edit: Looks like Alisyn Camerota is handling this for CNN. Makes sense with the HBO Paterno
fiction film playing. CNN does not want her to come off too biased against PSU.
To be honest, a PSU fraternity pledge died at a PSU fraternity act where he was required to drink large amounts of alcohol. Not like you can really argue about what happened which is different that arguing about legal, ethical and moral responsibility. Yes hazing happens everywhere as does alcohol abuse by college students.
No doubt.... BTW, there were five deaths last year from hazing. For some reason, PSU seems to get all the press.
CNN is straddling a fine line between masquerading as a news agency and Hard Copy.
Really? Another Beta brother testified in prelims that he never drank @ Beta, including his time as a pledge. But I guess you were there, huh?
Uncle Lar,
My guess is that PBB's post will be read by several hundred people, of which 99% will understand it is nothing more than a locker room insult with no evidence or indication that it is true.
On the other hand, Sarah Ganim and Jonell Espach (so?) knowingly published inflammatory, false, and defamatory statements that were read by millions of people and accepted as the truth. These statements destroyed the lives and reputations of numerous individuals (especially Joe Paterno) and greatly contributed to a very costly and damaging situation to the university and everyone associated with Penn State.
Just wondering if you took the time to respond directly to them regarding their false and bigoted statements?
Lar - just to clarify, I really don't have any issue with you, but I do have a big problem with the crap Sara Ganim published (especially the bs articles she published about the 1970's victims reporting abuse directly to Joe), so I have no problems with an insult thrown at her.
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I’m no fan of either - but this post makes you look like a mouthbreather... #effingdumb
Maybe she will hit the jackpot and a snowstorm will hit State College, the school will fail to plow a parking lot, and someone will slip and get seriously injured....that would combine all of her talents.
I’ve never heard of anyone that has ever been “required” to drink alcohol. And how about the alcohol he consumed after the event? Was he “required” to drink that too?
I was wondering the same thing too. I heard a story on here one time... maybe someone else can shed some light?
A fraternity near PSU is no more a "PSU fraternity" than the McDonald's near PSU is a "PSU McDonald's".
Others have already taken you to task on the "required" thing, so I will cut you a break.
Partly true--partly not. Frats do have a connection with the university--not as much as sororities at PSU, of course, who live in PSU dorms. It's not the same as, for example, dorms in general, where they are run by the university but it's more than just any random off-campus living arrangement, which has little to no connection and would be more akin to the McDonalds example you provide.
For purposes of this definition, any activity as described in this definition upon which the initiation or admission into or affiliation with or continued membership in an organization is directly or indirectly conditioned shall be presumed to be “forced” activity, the willingness of an individual to participate in such activity notwithstanding.
Part of the law, the person’s willingness does not change a thing. You’re playing drinking games as part of an initiation ritual , you are hazing . Even if they willingly join in.
Part of the law, the person’s willingness does not change a thing. You’re playing drinking games as part of an initiation ritual , you are hazing . Even if they willingly join in.
Do they have any affiliation with the university? Of course they do, and they knowingly violated the law, served underage drinkers, while they knew they were restricted from having alcohol at their events .
For purposes of this definition, any activity as described in this definition upon which the initiation or admission into or affiliation with or continued membership in an organization is directly or indirectly conditioned shall be presumed to be “forced” activity, the willingness of an individual to participate in such activity notwithstanding.
The above is directly from the Pa. law.
https://intranet.bloomu.edu/documents/dawn/HazingLaw.pdf
Serious question because I don't know the answer. What connection besides PSU students being members of the Fraternity do they have with the school. Is there a specific legal one? I believe, but maybe wrong, that some Frats were on Campus property (Figi?) other than that does the University have any role in the management or operation of a Frat at PSU? I honestly don't know - was independent when I was there.
https://studentaffairs.psu.edu/involvement-student-life/greek-life-penn-state
https://studentaffairs.psu.edu/involvement-student-life/greek-life-penn-state
They’re organizations that are affiliated with the university.
Does PSU recognize the Greek organizations? Does PSU provide rules for governing those organizations in conjunction with the Greek council? PSU does provide some oversight of the Greek system. PSU is involved with the Greek system, that cannot be debated. What you can argue is how much legal responsibility does PSU have regarding what occurs at any individual fraternity.
Regarding Piazza, notice I did not say that the fraternity was entirely to blame. Piazza certainly shares some of the blame for his own death, from his own text messages we know that he knew he was going to be consuming large amounts of alcohol.
How anyone can defend the fraternity is incomprehensible. They were already on probation and could not serve alcohol and they failed to provide or seek medical treatment for an obviously injured Piazza. Hence the end of the fraternity.
Obviously right now we all know that bashing PSU sells. What happened with Piazza, fits very well into a news story about fraternity hazing whether or not Piazza's participation was completely voluntary or not.
I thought this thread would be about the deadly Donora Smog back in 48'.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/donora-smog-1948
It's appropriate that #FakeNews CNN cobble together a show presenting the delightful combination of Deadly Haze, Three Names and Ms Pulitzer Prize.
My daughter (PSU sophomore) heard a rumor about this story a few days ago. Apparently CNN was able to get someone into a fraternity party undercover with hidden cameras and mics to record what was going on. At the same time they followed around the SC police who were monitoring the parties that day. I will be shocked if it is anything drastically different then any Saturday night I spent as a student in HV back in the 80s (minus the selfies and skimpier outfits).
The media (especially CNN) has found something else for us to be outraged about along with Trump, guns and the Russians. I understand there were three tragic hazing deaths in 2017 at PSU, LSU and FSU which were all alcohol related, but where was the media in 2008 when there were five hazing deaths (4 alcohol related)? Of course the biggest of the five schools was University of Delaware. If they told us we should be outraged back then maybe some/all of the 2017 deaths could have been prevented. Most likely not.
Lets face it, the JS scandal has put a huge target sign on PSU. Do you know who Maxwell Gruver or Andrew Coffey are? I guarantee you know Tim Piazza. I am not trying to diminish the terrible tragedies that are hazing deaths, but the numbers for this decade so far have actually declined from 2000-2009. It is just the media says we should NOW be outraged by this. Hopefully the 10 people who watch it find it informative.
The media (especially CNN) has found something else for us to be outraged about along with Trump, guns and the Russians. I understand there were three tragic hazing deaths in 2017 at PSU, LSU and FSU which were all alcohol related, but where was the media in 2008 when there were five hazing deaths (4 alcohol related)? Of course the biggest of the five schools was University of Delaware. If they told us we should be outraged back then maybe some/all of the 2017 deaths could have been prevented. Most likely not.
Lets face it, the JS scandal has put a huge target sign on PSU. Do you know who Maxwell Gruver or Andrew Coffey are? I guarantee you know Tim Piazza. I am not trying to diminish the terrible tragedies that are hazing deaths, but the numbers for this decade so far have actually declined from 2000-2009. It is just the media says we should NOW be outraged by this. Hopefully the 10 people who watch it find it informative.
Hazing deaths all get big press , I’ve heard of other cases, but this death happened at penn state in my state . We’re obviously going to get to hear more reports .
Agree with most of the posts. From the CNN Special Report..."his murder leads to one of the largest criminal indictments in history......" From what I've read from the media's preliminary hearing reports, there is quite a bit more to the story and actions of all then has been reported.
I don't know for sure, I didn't have to buy friends in college, and I wanted to go to good parties.
It's great that PSU doesn't let them operate in a vacuum, but I see no proof they are an officially sanctioned part of the university.
If PSU does not let them operate in a vacuum, then PSU must have some kind of oversight of the Greek system. Can't have it both ways.
The IFC helps to create better communities, better chapters, and better men. They work to advance the academic mission of the Penn State Behrend, to enable fraternal organizations to grow ...
From psu behrend.
http://www.pennstateifc.org/
Looks affiliated and sanctioned , maybe you never heard of the IFC?
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Straddling.... you’re too generous.
And I’m a moderate Dem. I hear Dems are supposed to love CNN and hate Fox News. Both are garbage and most other news agencies are joining them.
PSU can have oversight over something and that isn't officially part of the university.
You think because they have a website that it is an official part of the university? Why isn't their domain on psu.edu?
Take a step back and think about your position, why are you so desperate to make a closer affiliation between frats (an outdated concept) and my alma mater? Why does it matter so much that you are spending time trying to convince me that frats are an official part of PSU?
