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Scathing Sports Illustrated article on culture at Michigan under Harbaugh

I was at the Beav the night we finally ended that string. Combination of some bad officiating over the years and frankly Floyd had Joe's number.
Floyd did not have Joe's number, Joe was scared of Floyd. PSU was a bye week for the Michigan coaches because they knew Joe was not going to change the game plan.

Not sure why anybody would brag about dominating Paterno the last 10 of his career, at that point he was a tired old man going through the motions who had no business coaching at that point. Sad but true.
 
Floyd did not have Joe's number, Joe was scared of Floyd. PSU was a bye week for the Michigan coaches because they knew Joe was not going to change the game plan.

Not sure why anybody would brag about dominating Paterno the last 10 of his career, at that point he was a tired old man going through the motions who had no business coaching at that point. Sad but true.

Second paragraph is accurate, but to claim Paterno was scared of Floyd Carr is beyond ridiculous.
 
These remind me of the post seaons grading the press does. Isn't the grade that PSU went 11-2 and Michigan went 9-4?

I don't care if JH picks his nose or yells at his players. All I care about is his results.
 
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Jim Harbaugh is the embodiment of his coach, Bo Schembechler, and at his core, Harbaugh preaches two of Schembechler's maxims: "The Team, The Team, The Team" and "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." But those two phrases are hardly recognizable around the Michigan program these days. Consider:

• In December 2018, multiple players, including captains Karan Higdon and Devin Bush announce they will sit out the Peach Bowl to protect their NFL futures.

• A respected insider on TheWolverine.com posts about Harbaugh and his staff weeding out a sense of "entitlement within the program" and guys that "aren't all in for the team" suggesting changes in recruiting philosophy and leadership to better assess players that will be selfless in their commitment to Michigan football.

• In January 2019, Michigan loses two assistant coaches to Ohio State. Assistants move on all the time, and one can't fault coaches or a program when a promotion is at stake, but long-time Wolverine Greg Mattison, a 13-year U-M veteran, leaves Ann Arbor for the Maize and Blue's rival, pulling a 180 on everything his career had been about for the previous eight seasons.

Linebackers coach Al Washington, a rising star in the profession, regarded as a dynamic recruiter, departs after one season for a lateral move to OSU. Even with ties to the Buckeye program, it's a surprise and another huge coup for Michigan's rival.

• In the August of 2019, first-year offensive coordinator Josh Gattis jokingly references his starting quarterback spending too much time on the golf course during the summer, a comment that carried much more serious undertones behind the scenes. In fact, the players send a message, not electing senior Shea Patterson captain.

"There wasn't a lot we could do because Shea was our starting quarterback, but we wanted to let him and our coaches know we weren't happy with his work in the summer - both Joe [Milton] and Dylan [McCaffrey] outworked him, and then Coach immediately went against our decision and named him a captain," a recent departure shared. "Guys weren't happy."

As a former player noted the beginning of the end for the Brady Hoke regime was when Hoke and his staff began playing favorites and giving leeway to certain players, including Devin Funchess, that they didn't give to the entire team.

"He'd let Funchess get away with stuff in practice and in games ... he wasn't held accountable, and that created a lot of locker room issues," the player shared.

• Within days of the captain announcement, facing speculation in the media and among the fan base of discontent within the ranks, Harbaugh named Patterson and senior safety Josh Metellus alternate captains.

"From the moment Shea arrived, he was treated differently, like he could never do anything wrong," another recent exiting player shared with WolverineDigest.com. "Wilton [Speight], John [O'Korn], Brandon [Peters] would all get chewed out for things that they just looked the other way with when it came to Shea."

• From Aug. 1-present, eight players have entered the transfer portal, including five four-star recruits. That alone is not unique in today's college football, but out of 56 signees in the 2016-17 classes, Michigan has lost 24 to transfer so far (42.9 percent). For the same two classes, Penn State has seen a departure of 31.7 percent of its enrollees and Ohio State saw 26.7 percent of its 2016-17 enrollees transfer.

• U-M loses three underclassmen to the NFL Draft, again not unexpected, but according to a friend of wide receiver Donovan Peoples-Jones, the DPJ camp was worried Michigan would not "put him in the best position to showcase his talent, just like they did with Jabrill Peppers and Rashan Gary."

According to the friend, those guys got drafted because of their freak athleticism and potential, as Peoples-Jones will, and not because the staff utilized them in a way that allowed NFL scouts to see what they're capable of.

• In November, Michigan gets beat by first-year and first-time Ohio State head coach Ryan Day by a greater margin at home than Urban Meyer achieved in 2018 in Columbus.

• After U-M's fourth straight bowl loss, rising senior cornerback Ambry Thomas gives an interview to Michigan's official network that the Wolverines did not do a good enough job in 2019 holding players accountable and that in 2020, there will be greater accountability among the team.

• Insiders on both TheWolverine.com and TheMichiganInsider.com once again discuss "entitlement" and "playing favorites" and Harbaugh's desire to craft a program in his image, building a culture that greater reflects the Schembechler way.

• Just a few weeks ago, famed recruiting guru and special teams coach Chris Partridge, who had been selling the 40-year plan to Michigan prospects - the idea of a first-rate education, winning with integrity and setting a young man up for life with a degree that will do more than football alone - leaves for Ole Miss and Lane Kiffin, a program and coach with poor reputations for doing things above board.

• Yesterday, position coach Anthony Campanile reverses course and signs a contract with the Miami Dolphins, reportedly 48 hours after Michigan pulled out all the stops to court him away from gigs at Rutgers and Boston College, willing to give him a raise that will severely limit the program's ability to sign another top assistant to fill Partridge's vacant position.

Every one of these bullet points can be explained away. It's the new normal. Coaches leave all the time. Ohio State was more talented than Michigan. There is a me-first attitude prevalent throughout college football. But going into Year 6, Harbaugh has failed to instill the "the team, the team, the team" culture among his players and his coaches, and one has to seriously ask if he ever will be able to.
Spath = Jones
 
This is clearly because there are two former Penn State coaches on Harbaugh’s staff. Even though one just joined this week, and the other just a year ago, it’s their fault for being in the toxic Penn State culture.
 
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These remind me of the post seaons grading the press does. Isn't the grade that PSU went 11-2 and Michigan went 9-4?

I don't care if JH picks his nose or yells at his players. All I care about is his results.

And equally important was where both programs were predicted to finish the year.
 
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IMO, that article is representative of all of college football. You can replace Michigan and Harbaugh with just about any other school or coach and come up with the same story. Unfortunately, it's the football world we live in.
True.
 
It's not 'scathing' in the traditional sense but it paints a picture of a disorganized sh*t show (for lack of a better word) of a program with an aloof goofball of a head coach who plays favorites. At Michigan, this shouldn't be the case and the fact that it is has to be totally embarrassing for them. They went all in on JH and firing or not extending him would sting for a long, long time. The good news is this helps us - a lot.
Frankly, I never bought the Harbaugh hype from the day he was hired. I'm not saying I expected him to fail, but the hype was so over the top it was disgusting. You would have thought that they just hired a hybrid of Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, and Knute Rockne. The idiot media once again displayed how totally inept they are. How about from now on when a team hires a guy, yeah one can be optimistic, but wait and see what the guy actually produces. I see the same problem with recruits. I don't give a crap if a guy is 5-stars until I see him perform.
 
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Harbaugh just seems to be very strange, doesn't seem to connect with his players very effectively, very poor interpersonal skills. Trying to recreate the Schembechler way, a hopelessly outdated, anachronistic method of program building. Hope he stays at scUM.


Well, give Jim credit, he loses bowl games just like Bo used to. Maybe we should start calling him Jimbo!
 
It's not 'scathing' in the traditional sense but it paints a picture of a disorganized sh*t show (for lack of a better word) of a program with an aloof goofball of a head coach who plays favorites. At Michigan, this shouldn't be the case and the fact that it is has to be totally embarrassing for them. They went all in on JH and firing or not extending him would sting for a long, long time. The good news is this helps us - a lot.
tHe BiG nEeDs a StRoNg MiChIgAn!
 
That's an insult to Dave Jones. Davey decided to give a lawyer, with 2 pending lawsuits against the football team, a free infomercial in his column this week. I'm guessing this Spath character has a long way to reach that kind of level of @sshole
Fair enough. How about Spath is a lot like Jones but Jones is worse.
 
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Jim Harbaugh is the embodiment of his coach, Bo Schembechler, and at his core, Harbaugh preaches two of Schembechler's maxims: "The Team, The Team, The Team" and "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." But those two phrases are hardly recognizable around the Michigan program these days. Consider:

• In December 2018, multiple players, including captains Karan Higdon and Devin Bush announce they will sit out the Peach Bowl to protect their NFL futures.

• A respected insider on TheWolverine.com posts about Harbaugh and his staff weeding out a sense of "entitlement within the program" and guys that "aren't all in for the team" suggesting changes in recruiting philosophy and leadership to better assess players that will be selfless in their commitment to Michigan football.

• In January 2019, Michigan loses two assistant coaches to Ohio State. Assistants move on all the time, and one can't fault coaches or a program when a promotion is at stake, but long-time Wolverine Greg Mattison, a 13-year U-M veteran, leaves Ann Arbor for the Maize and Blue's rival, pulling a 180 on everything his career had been about for the previous eight seasons.

Linebackers coach Al Washington, a rising star in the profession, regarded as a dynamic recruiter, departs after one season for a lateral move to OSU. Even with ties to the Buckeye program, it's a surprise and another huge coup for Michigan's rival.

• In the August of 2019, first-year offensive coordinator Josh Gattis jokingly references his starting quarterback spending too much time on the golf course during the summer, a comment that carried much more serious undertones behind the scenes. In fact, the players send a message, not electing senior Shea Patterson captain.

"There wasn't a lot we could do because Shea was our starting quarterback, but we wanted to let him and our coaches know we weren't happy with his work in the summer - both Joe [Milton] and Dylan [McCaffrey] outworked him, and then Coach immediately went against our decision and named him a captain," a recent departure shared. "Guys weren't happy."

As a former player noted the beginning of the end for the Brady Hoke regime was when Hoke and his staff began playing favorites and giving leeway to certain players, including Devin Funchess, that they didn't give to the entire team.

"He'd let Funchess get away with stuff in practice and in games ... he wasn't held accountable, and that created a lot of locker room issues," the player shared.

• Within days of the captain announcement, facing speculation in the media and among the fan base of discontent within the ranks, Harbaugh named Patterson and senior safety Josh Metellus alternate captains.

"From the moment Shea arrived, he was treated differently, like he could never do anything wrong," another recent exiting player shared with WolverineDigest.com. "Wilton [Speight], John [O'Korn], Brandon [Peters] would all get chewed out for things that they just looked the other way with when it came to Shea."

• From Aug. 1-present, eight players have entered the transfer portal, including five four-star recruits. That alone is not unique in today's college football, but out of 56 signees in the 2016-17 classes, Michigan has lost 24 to transfer so far (42.9 percent). For the same two classes, Penn State has seen a departure of 31.7 percent of its enrollees and Ohio State saw 26.7 percent of its 2016-17 enrollees transfer.

• U-M loses three underclassmen to the NFL Draft, again not unexpected, but according to a friend of wide receiver Donovan Peoples-Jones, the DPJ camp was worried Michigan would not "put him in the best position to showcase his talent, just like they did with Jabrill Peppers and Rashan Gary."

According to the friend, those guys got drafted because of their freak athleticism and potential, as Peoples-Jones will, and not because the staff utilized them in a way that allowed NFL scouts to see what they're capable of.

• In November, Michigan gets beat by first-year and first-time Ohio State head coach Ryan Day by a greater margin at home than Urban Meyer achieved in 2018 in Columbus.

• After U-M's fourth straight bowl loss, rising senior cornerback Ambry Thomas gives an interview to Michigan's official network that the Wolverines did not do a good enough job in 2019 holding players accountable and that in 2020, there will be greater accountability among the team.

• Insiders on both TheWolverine.com and TheMichiganInsider.com once again discuss "entitlement" and "playing favorites" and Harbaugh's desire to craft a program in his image, building a culture that greater reflects the Schembechler way.

• Just a few weeks ago, famed recruiting guru and special teams coach Chris Partridge, who had been selling the 40-year plan to Michigan prospects - the idea of a first-rate education, winning with integrity and setting a young man up for life with a degree that will do more than football alone - leaves for Ole Miss and Lane Kiffin, a program and coach with poor reputations for doing things above board.

• Yesterday, position coach Anthony Campanile reverses course and signs a contract with the Miami Dolphins, reportedly 48 hours after Michigan pulled out all the stops to court him away from gigs at Rutgers and Boston College, willing to give him a raise that will severely limit the program's ability to sign another top assistant to fill Partridge's vacant position.

Every one of these bullet points can be explained away. It's the new normal. Coaches leave all the time. Ohio State was more talented than Michigan. There is a me-first attitude prevalent throughout college football. But going into Year 6, Harbaugh has failed to instill the "the team, the team, the team" culture among his players and his coaches, and one has to seriously ask if he ever will be able to.


They will be doing PSU in the next issue.
 
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I don't think this report is all that surprising or "scathing," that said, this is the kind of article that gets written about a coach before he is in serious trouble with job security. The fact that Harbs, a celebrated QB guru, continues to find transfer QB's instead of developing his own is amazing to me. Sure, its worked at a few places with high level QB transfers, Fields/Burrow, etc. But on a team building towards something more than 3rd in the division, it's just strange that is the path he has taken. Once these little articles become more common, you will know Harbs is in trouble. A lot of times the schools and players start to leak messages of dysfunction to the media to expedite a change.

Oklahoma has made a living off of transfer QBs. The last three starters have been transfers. Two won the Heisman and went #1 overall and all three took Oklahoma to the playoffs. It's working for OU, it worked for tOSU, and it REALLY worked for LSU. It's certainly not the norm overall for the portal in general, but transfer QBs seem to have had the most success in the portal than any other position.
 
Frankly, I never bought the Harbaugh hype from the day he was hired. I'm not saying I expected him to fail, but the hype was so over the top it was disgusting. You would have thought that they just hired a hybrid of Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, and Knute Rockne. The idiot media once again displayed how totally inept they are. How about from now on when a team hires a guy, yeah one can be optimistic, but wait and see what the guy actually produces. I see the same problem with recruits. I don't give a crap if a guy is 5-stars until I see him perform.

I don't think the hype was over the top when Michigan hired him. He had tremendous success everywhere he had gone. He made Stanford a power in the PAC12 when the PAC12 was much better than it is now. Then he went to the NFL and took the Niners to the SB. The criticism at the time was the Jim Harbaugh was a fantastic coach known for turning downtrodden programs/teams into winners but eventually he will rub people the wrong way. People expected him to win big at Michigan but were hoping that since he is a Michigan Man he would fit in enough that he wouldn't rub people the wrong way.

And make no mistake, Harbaugh has been successful at Michigan. It's not the success that they demand or that most thought he'd bring but he's been very good there, just not great. He hasn't come up in big games and it looks like he has started to rub everybody the wrong way which is what people predicted would happen around the five year mark. I still don't know who anyone thinks they would find that would be better than Harbaugh if they fire him, though.
 
Oklahoma has made a living off of transfer QBs. The last three starters have been transfers. Two won the Heisman and went #1 overall and all three took Oklahoma to the playoffs. It's working for OU, it worked for tOSU, and it REALLY worked for LSU. It's certainly not the norm overall for the portal in general, but transfer QBs seem to have had the most success in the portal than any other position.

Good point, but I don't think it has been a success at the great many schools. Mississippi State, Miami, Michigan, Florida State to name a few, and I would have concerns on what it does to the locker room. Look, if everyone knows you are a prolific passer away from being a national champion, then I suppose you do it, but for schools that are not in that situation, I think it's a risky proposition. How would the team react if Clifford was relegated to the bench for a scab the coaching staff took from another program.....I just don't know.
 
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Good point, but I don't think it has been a success at the great many schools. Mississippi State, Miami, Michigan, Florida State to name a few, and I would have concerns on what it does to the locker room. Look, if everyone knows you are a prolific passer away from being a national champion, then I suppose you do it, but for schools that are not in that situation, I think it's a risky proposition. How would the team react if Clifford was relegated to the bench for a scab the coaching staff took from another program.....I just don't know.

After the way Burrow etc behaved after their CFP win, no thanks. It seems the program we are trying to most emulate is Clemson. Building for the long term and emphasizing competition is the way to go. If a generational talent like Lawrence comes in and beats out the starter that is completely different than bringing in a scab. Programs like O$U and L$U don’t even pretend to care about academics. It’s just a minor league football teams bringing in a free agent.
 
Harbaugh would kill for Joe’s last 10 years. Multiple big ten titles (2005 and 2008) wins over Ohio State (01,05,08,11)and top ten finishes (05,08,09).

Floyd did not have Joe's number, Joe was scared of Floyd. PSU was a bye week for the Michigan coaches because they knew Joe was not going to change the game plan.

Not sure why anybody would brag about dominating Paterno the last 10 of his career, at that point he was a tired old man going through the motions who had no business coaching at that point. Sad but true.
 
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Jim Harbaugh is the embodiment of his coach, Bo Schembechler, and at his core, Harbaugh preaches two of Schembechler's maxims: "The Team, The Team, The Team" and "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." But those two phrases are hardly recognizable around the Michigan program these days. Consider:

• In December 2018, multiple players, including captains Karan Higdon and Devin Bush announce they will sit out the Peach Bowl to protect their NFL futures.

• A respected insider on TheWolverine.com posts about Harbaugh and his staff weeding out a sense of "entitlement within the program" and guys that "aren't all in for the team" suggesting changes in recruiting philosophy and leadership to better assess players that will be selfless in their commitment to Michigan football.

• In January 2019, Michigan loses two assistant coaches to Ohio State. Assistants move on all the time, and one can't fault coaches or a program when a promotion is at stake, but long-time Wolverine Greg Mattison, a 13-year U-M veteran, leaves Ann Arbor for the Maize and Blue's rival, pulling a 180 on everything his career had been about for the previous eight seasons.

Linebackers coach Al Washington, a rising star in the profession, regarded as a dynamic recruiter, departs after one season for a lateral move to OSU. Even with ties to the Buckeye program, it's a surprise and another huge coup for Michigan's rival.

• In the August of 2019, first-year offensive coordinator Josh Gattis jokingly references his starting quarterback spending too much time on the golf course during the summer, a comment that carried much more serious undertones behind the scenes. In fact, the players send a message, not electing senior Shea Patterson captain.

"There wasn't a lot we could do because Shea was our starting quarterback, but we wanted to let him and our coaches know we weren't happy with his work in the summer - both Joe [Milton] and Dylan [McCaffrey] outworked him, and then Coach immediately went against our decision and named him a captain," a recent departure shared. "Guys weren't happy."

As a former player noted the beginning of the end for the Brady Hoke regime was when Hoke and his staff began playing favorites and giving leeway to certain players, including Devin Funchess, that they didn't give to the entire team.

"He'd let Funchess get away with stuff in practice and in games ... he wasn't held accountable, and that created a lot of locker room issues," the player shared.

• Within days of the captain announcement, facing speculation in the media and among the fan base of discontent within the ranks, Harbaugh named Patterson and senior safety Josh Metellus alternate captains.

"From the moment Shea arrived, he was treated differently, like he could never do anything wrong," another recent exiting player shared with WolverineDigest.com. "Wilton [Speight], John [O'Korn], Brandon [Peters] would all get chewed out for things that they just looked the other way with when it came to Shea."

• From Aug. 1-present, eight players have entered the transfer portal, including five four-star recruits. That alone is not unique in today's college football, but out of 56 signees in the 2016-17 classes, Michigan has lost 24 to transfer so far (42.9 percent). For the same two classes, Penn State has seen a departure of 31.7 percent of its enrollees and Ohio State saw 26.7 percent of its 2016-17 enrollees transfer.

• U-M loses three underclassmen to the NFL Draft, again not unexpected, but according to a friend of wide receiver Donovan Peoples-Jones, the DPJ camp was worried Michigan would not "put him in the best position to showcase his talent, just like they did with Jabrill Peppers and Rashan Gary."

According to the friend, those guys got drafted because of their freak athleticism and potential, as Peoples-Jones will, and not because the staff utilized them in a way that allowed NFL scouts to see what they're capable of.

• In November, Michigan gets beat by first-year and first-time Ohio State head coach Ryan Day by a greater margin at home than Urban Meyer achieved in 2018 in Columbus.

• After U-M's fourth straight bowl loss, rising senior cornerback Ambry Thomas gives an interview to Michigan's official network that the Wolverines did not do a good enough job in 2019 holding players accountable and that in 2020, there will be greater accountability among the team.

• Insiders on both TheWolverine.com and TheMichiganInsider.com once again discuss "entitlement" and "playing favorites" and Harbaugh's desire to craft a program in his image, building a culture that greater reflects the Schembechler way.

• Just a few weeks ago, famed recruiting guru and special teams coach Chris Partridge, who had been selling the 40-year plan to Michigan prospects - the idea of a first-rate education, winning with integrity and setting a young man up for life with a degree that will do more than football alone - leaves for Ole Miss and Lane Kiffin, a program and coach with poor reputations for doing things above board.

• Yesterday, position coach Anthony Campanile reverses course and signs a contract with the Miami Dolphins, reportedly 48 hours after Michigan pulled out all the stops to court him away from gigs at Rutgers and Boston College, willing to give him a raise that will severely limit the program's ability to sign another top assistant to fill Partridge's vacant position.

Every one of these bullet points can be explained away. It's the new normal. Coaches leave all the time. Ohio State was more talented than Michigan. There is a me-first attitude prevalent throughout college football. But going into Year 6, Harbaugh has failed to instill the "the team, the team, the team" culture among his players and his coaches, and one has to seriously ask if he ever will be able to.
We can all celebrate this. For me, I've seen what the press did/does to PSU. I don't believe anything I read. Can't cry bullshit when PSU is trashed and then point fingers and laugh when it's a rival.
 
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I don't think the hype was over the top when Michigan hired him. He had tremendous success everywhere he had gone. He made Stanford a power in the PAC12 when the PAC12 was much better than it is now. Then he went to the NFL and took the Niners to the SB. The criticism at the time was the Jim Harbaugh was a fantastic coach known for turning downtrodden programs/teams into winners but eventually he will rub people the wrong way. People expected him to win big at Michigan but were hoping that since he is a Michigan Man he would fit in enough that he wouldn't rub people the wrong way.

And make no mistake, Harbaugh has been successful at Michigan. It's not the success that they demand or that most thought he'd bring but he's been very good there, just not great. He hasn't come up in big games and it looks like he has started to rub everybody the wrong way which is what people predicted would happen around the five year mark. I still don't know who anyone thinks they would find that would be better than Harbaugh if they fire him, though.
Puhleeez, it was over the top, like he was God's gift to coaching job.
 
Frankly, I never bought the Harbaugh hype from the day he was hired. I'm not saying I expected him to fail, but the hype was so over the top it was disgusting. You would have thought that they just hired a hybrid of Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, and Knute Rockne. The idiot media once again displayed how totally inept they are. How about from now on when a team hires a guy, yeah one can be optimistic, but wait and see what the guy actually produces. I see the same problem with recruits. I don't give a crap if a guy is 5-stars until I see him perform.

Harbus rolled into SLC for his debut game. Over hyped? Ya think? H

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...Not sure why anybody would brag about dominating Paterno the last 10 of his career, at that point he was a tired old man going through the motions who had no business coaching at that point. Sad but true.

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Second paragraph is accurate, but to claim Paterno was scared of Floyd Carr is beyond ridiculous.
Sorry but disagree. JoePa saw those yellow Michigan pants and immediately pissed himself making his pants yellow too. He coached scared against Michigan and it showed in how the team played. He refused too do anything different against them. The epitome was with Morelli, Michigan had lost to App St, PSU practiced a g
Every squirrel finds an acorn. Of course PSU was in the Orange Bowl because they lost to Floyd that year, lots of bad calls by the refs but kicking off to Breston with about a minute left was really dumb. Breston was probably the best return man in the country and brought the ball out to the 50.

I would give credit for that season to Michael Robinson, maybe the greatest competitor in PSU history.
 
Sorry but disagree. JoePa saw those yellow Michigan pants and immediately pissed himself making his pants yellow too. He coached scared against Michigan and it showed in how the team played. He refused too do anything different against them. The epitome was with Morelli, Michigan had lost to App St, PSU practiced a g

Every squirrel finds an acorn. Of course PSU was in the Orange Bowl because they lost to Floyd that year, lots of bad calls by the refs but kicking off to Breston with about a minute left was really dumb. Breston was probably the best return man in the country and brought the ball out to the 50.

I would give credit for that season to Michael Robinson, maybe the greatest competitor in PSU history.
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As far as I’m concerned he was. That was another big ten championship team if the BOT didn’t wet their pants in a panic of epic proportions. The 2012 team would have also been a big ten champ contender. The program was in excellent shape in Joe’s final years if not for the JS fairy tale.

Joe was not the coach in ‘11
 
What happened to 2015? Wrong narrative?

Still dealing with hangover from sanctions. Harbaugh had juniors and seniors from Top 10 recruiting classes, Franklin upperclassmen is what remained from recruiting classes ranked in 40s and 50s.

So theoretically we’re supposed to believe you are a Penn State fan? Hilarious.
 
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