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Shakur ranking

At the end of the year after conference tournies are done, the rankings the rankers final ranking

Someone on the Mat.com forum has a formula set up and then took all the rankers and did an analysis to see who’s were best (closest to final placement)
I can’t find the thread or is copy it for you.

Wrestlestats was last or close to last year. Andegre vowed to be the best rankings this coming year and that’s why he’s always tweaking his algorithym. I hope he gets it
I would love to see that and then have a discussion on ranking the rankers.

Would produce some great word salads between now and the SS.
 
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No, you don't get to throw around inaccurate remarks without them getting challenged. Sure the crew at Flo talks to one another. However, their rankings are compartmentalized. Willie has nothing to do with the college rankings. They are done by Christian Pyles and by Andrew Spey. And neither Pyles nor Spey have anything to do with the high school rankings -- they are handled exclusively by Willie. Nomad doesn't have anything to do with either of the aforementioned rankings.

Of the Flo guys, Willie posts here the most. Pyles posts here very infrequently. (Before he was hired by Flo, he was very active on wrestling message boards, and after he was hired he posted somewhat regularly on this and other wrestling message boards, but that's no longer the case.) I don't recall Nomad ever posting here.
I’d say Spey posts second-most often lately, fwiw. I’d tag him, but I can’t seem to remember how to spell his handle, lol.
 
Formulas can't be made/tweeked to show favoritism?

What? The dude made up a formula to see who’s rankings best reflected final outcome of NCAA final placement.

There was no bias in his math. The OP was just trying to see if the rankings could be used as predictors
 
Also, if rankings aren't projections of where wrestlers place at the end of the year, how can you compare rankings to placements to rank the rankers? Am I missing something?
 
What? The dude made up a formula to see who’s rankings best reflected final outcome of NCAA final placement.

There was no bias in his math. The OP was just trying to see if the rankings could be used as predictors

Ok, I see.
 
Also, if rankings aren't projections of where wrestlers place at the end of the year, how can you compare rankings to placements to rank the rankers? Am I missing something?

Willie from Flo asked a similar question in the thread. I’ll try to post the OPs response which I felt was a good one. Husker Du is Willie

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With all due respect Willie, I think FLO surveys the landscape and realizes their market is made up of maybe 15% PSU fans so they try to keep a lid on the over hype in an effort to keep it fresh. Are they fair and 100% objevtive? Pretty much to be honest, but FLO revenue is click and subscription driven and they need more clicks from the rest of the nation than from us.

good god, dude. get a grip. as if someone would rank someone differently for 'clicks'. tinfoil hat sh!t.

the fact of the matter is Reenan just beat Venz. it's not rocket science to see why he jumps.

also, don't talk to Tom like that, ya dipsh!t.
 
It's gonna be real tough for Shak to beat Martin unless he catches him in a cradle. Shak is really good but Myles is a better all around wrestler right now and I don't expect this will change by March. Hope I'm wrong, though, as I'd love to see Martin go down AGAIN.
Shak needs to win this match on the mat..not from neutral-- Shak will need to ride him like a backpac!
 
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I once watched a kid in 3rd grade punch a teacher.. One of the most nerve wracking days in my life. Today is no different as I sit nervously in my office waiting for someone to get figuratively paddled. (yes I went to school when teachers still paddled) :)
 
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Shak needs to win this match on the mat..not from neutral-- Shak will need to ride him like a backpac!
I have far from perfect recall, but has Shak wrestled a college (non-RS) match in which he didn’t hold a lead (which often means got the 1st TD)? I know when he was way down at 165 he seemed to come out fast then fade. I have less recollection of his time at 174. Last year I think led in every match.
 
Shak needs to win this match on the mat..not from neutral-- Shak will need to ride him like a backpac!
I have far from perfect recall, but has Shak wrestled a college (non-RS) match in which he didn’t hold a lead (which often means got the 1st TD)? I know when he was way down at 165 he seemed to come out fast then fade. I have less recollection of his time at 174. Last year I think led in every match.
off the top of my head, his matches against Moore last year. Not sure if he even scored an offensive point in either.
 
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Since ranking by commercial ranking services have nothing to do with the end goal or the end result, who gives a crud?


I think some of you guys use these rankings to stroke your own ego or to justify your faith and belief in a wrestlers ability.
 
Since ranking by commercial ranking services have nothing to do with the end goal or the end result, who gives a crud?


I think some of you guys use these rankings to stroke your own ego or to justify your faith and belief in a wrestlers ability.

Rankings are the most talked about topic in college wrestling. That's why every outlet puts them out..so people can discuss. If you don't like to discuss then you don't have to look at the threads that have to do with rankings
 
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I have far from perfect recall, but has Shak wrestled a college (non-RS) match in which he didn’t hold a lead (which often means got the 1st TD)? I know when he was way down at 165 he seemed to come out fast then fade. I have less recollection of his time at 174. Last year I think led in every match.
I know 2 years ago against Preisch when he was down at 74 he got the first takedown or maybe 2 then faded late and last year against Macchievelo I believe he was ahead late and lost in the last 10 seconds or so IIRC.
 
Since ranking by commercial ranking services have nothing to do with the end goal or the end result, who gives a crud?


I think some of you guys use these rankings to stroke your own ego or to justify your faith and belief in a wrestlers ability.
Since rankings impact seedings to some extent, they absolutely do impact the end goal.
 
I get why people think Shak is under-ranked, and I don't disagree, though let's be honest, he hasn't faced anyone. Best opponent Norfleet isn't a podium threat.

Win the Scuffle, beat Venz and Embree and Parker, he'll be ranked no worse than 3rd after Feb.

Reenan is not evidence of Shak being too low. He has now beaten Preisch and Venz this year. On that basis he could also be under-ranked at #3.
 
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I get why people think Shak is under-ranked, and I don't disagree, though let's be honest, he hasn't faced anyone. Best opponent Norfleet isn't a podium threat.

Win the Scuffle, beat Venz and Embree and Parker, he'll be ranked no worse than 3rd after Feb.

Reenan is not evidence of Shak being too low. He has now beaten Preisch and Venz this year. On that basis he could also be under-ranked at #3.

He dropped two spots without a loss..they moved Foster ahead of him who beat ZZ, they moved Reenan ahead that beat Venz. Then they kept the guys that lost ahead as well. If they going to go that route then the might as well throw Ness and Dean ahead of Shak.

How many losses do Venz and ZZ have to take before they move below Shak?
 
I have far from perfect recall, but has Shak wrestled a college (non-RS) match in which he didn’t hold a lead (which often means got the 1st TD)? I know when he was way down at 165 he seemed to come out fast then fade. I have less recollection of his time at 174. Last year I think led in every match.
I am not sure of the answer for this question. Shak is good on his feet, but I feel that Martin is a little better. But Martin has had bottom issues in the past and Shak is pretty darn good on top--even if you take the death cradle out of the picture.. I just dont think Shak wins the TD battle---but I could be wrong--this is truly the 1st year that we see him at his optimum weight
 
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Only the coaches poll counts in NCAA seeding and that is not a commercial ranking service
Point taken, but the commercial rankings undoubtedly influence the coaches ranking. We see it all the time in college sports. The coaches have no time or inclination to follow the sport comprehensively, so they often give the drudgery to a flunky. Said flunky also is busy with other things and peruses commercial rankings to help finish his rankings.
 
I think so. I haven't seen a guy rise to his level of troll. Some have come close, though.

Disagree. Jammenz hasn't come up with any new material in years and is now just kind of pathetic and sad. Of course, I could be wrong since it's been a long time since I even bothered reading one of his posts.
 
Disagree. Jammenz hasn't come up with any new material in years and is now just kind of pathetic and sad. Of course, I could be wrong since it's been a long time since I even bothered reading one of his posts.

You might be right. He might be coasting on his reputation and past trolls at this point. It's a real shame to see such a prolific troll really lose it in his later years.
 
You might be right. He might be coasting on his reputation and past trolls at this point. It's a real shame to see such a prolific troll really lose it in his later years.
Since it's a career/body of work ranking, I'd still have to put jammenz as the troll goat.
 
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Believe it, or not, I was paddled.

again...believe it or not...but me too. twice. Once at school for fighting and once at home for starting the fight at school.

after that all fighting was done out of school. Which I think led to my current thoughts of fighting on the intranet.
 
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