Shooting at Ft Lauderdale airport. Multiple casualties *

[fairgambit]

It's sarcasm!

How many tragedies do we have suffer through before we sit down like adults and talk about serious solutions for the safety of all?

Read my post above...

There are no serious solutions for the safety of all. If someone wants to kill large numbers of people, no one can stop them. Guns, explosives, trucks and cars into crowds, arson in a crowded building.....
Terrorists, or the deranged, will always find a way to accomplish their goals. With intelligence gathering and a public forever on alert, we will stop some of it, but solutions will escape our grasp.

 

[MtNittany]

Yeah well the 2 Mile trek from Termibal D to getting to the train to get to Rental Cars would make anyone go nuts.

I arrived (parked) at FLL one day at 4:30 AM for a 7:10 flight, and missed the flight. 2.5 hour security line.

 

[Lion84]

There are no serious solutions for the safety of all. If someone wants to kill large numbers of people, no one can stop them. Guns, explosives, trucks and cars into crowds, arson in a crowded building.....
Terrorists, or the deranged, will always find a way to accomplish their goals. With intelligence gathering and a public forever on alert, we will stop some of it, but solutions will escape our grasp.

I agree - the only thing that may change is the body count. People that want to do evil things will always find a way. I will not profess that I have any answers how to change that and I think the problem crosses all political spectrums.

 

[Nitt1300]

It's not necessarily about too few or too many guns but rather that the rights of the individual are sacrosanct more than the safety and security of the community.

So much so that we can't even have a civil discussion about this. I'm sorry to say that until we come to grips with this basic conflict (rights of the individual vs rights of the community) we will never stop these senseless tragedies.

There is no way to legislate safety. Sadly there are evil people- there always have been. Taking away individual liberty won't make anyone safer- short of going to the model of a N. Korea or a Singapore, that is.

 

[DeacsnNits]

If you want a secure airport we will have to go the route of Ben Gurion in Tel Aviv. They have a screening area (sort of looks like a toll booth) at the very edge of the airport property. Your vehicle is stopped and an armed soldier asks questions of the driver and eyeballs all the passengers. If they see something they don't like you are ordered to pull over to the side of the road where your baggage is hand searched and your car is closely examined as well.

 

[Nitt1300]

If you want a secure airport we will have to go the route of Ben Gurion in Tel Aviv. They have a screening area (sort of looks like a toll booth) at the very edge of the airport property. Your vehicle is stopped and an armed soldier asks questions of the driver and eyeballs all the passengers. If they see something they don't like you are ordered to pull over to the side of the road where your baggage is hand searched and your car is closely examined as well.

I would think you'd need a lot of real estate for a system like that, too. Imagine that at JFK, Logan, or O'Hare where there is hardly room to park as it is.

 

[BiochemPSU]

Craziness down here as people feared this was coordinated with multiple individuals involved. Police and fire rescue did a great job, don't listen to anyone who says they didn't; this is a community that normally doesn't see things like this.

For anyone who has never been to the FTL baggage terminal, it is dumping grounds for not only arrivals, but departures and people trying to get to other terminals as well. There are also food stations and small bars set up so that it has a somewhat relaxed, warm atmosphere. There are always large groups of people who are stationary, so anyone who can squeeze a trigger would likely find success at hitting a few people. Just incredibly sad.

 

[MtNittany]

Yeah well the 2 Mile trek from Termibal D to getting to the train to get to Rental Cars would make anyone go nuts.

Don't know your itinerary, but fly into PBIA next time. BEST airport south of the Mason-DIxon line. Oh, and keep it to yourself!

 

[MtNittany]

this is a community that normally doesn't see things like this.

No murders in Ft. Lauderdale? Pompano? Hollywood? WPB? Boynton?

 

[demlion]

Here comes the usual litany of problems and curesources we always get after a mass public shooting. Mental health, gun availability,used to be violent video games and movies.

Once again you won't hear a word about the fact that it is almost always a man (or boy) who does this.

Seems he was an Iraq War vet as a reservist. Part of the modern price of a US war? I guess we'll have to follow it some yo see if he was service connected.

 

[BiochemPSU]

No murders in Ft. Lauderdale? Pompano? Hollywood? WPB? Boynton?

At first I took offense to this, but now I am thinking that you are joking. Please prove me right. And to answer your question, of course there are a lot of negative things down here including murder, but this is a tourism community with many, many areas where large amounts of people routinely gather. Very rare to have something like this that strikes at a random tourism entity like an airport, cruise ship terminal, concert, sporting event, or shopping complex.

 

[Obliviax]

Here comes the usual litany of problems and curesources we always get after a mass public shooting. Mental health, gun availability,used to be violent video games and movies.

Once again you won't hear a word about the fact that it is almost always a man (or boy) who does this.

Seems he was an Iraq War vet as a reservist. Part of the modern price of a US war? I guess we'll have to follow it some yo see if he was service connected.

I am not sure of your point, Dem. It is almost always boys or young men. Is there a solution in there somewhere?

I am a big fan of the one-man play named "defending the caveman". In it, the comedian takes a comedic look at the hard wired differences between man and women. In the meantime, while there are great and meaningful programs to help young ladies, there is a lack of good programs to help young men (outside of sports, which can sometimes be as harmful as good). Hey, girls rule and boys drool, right?

I just don't know the solution, do you?

 

[MtNittany]

At first I took offense to this, but now I am thinking that you are joking. Please prove me right. And to answer your question, of course there are a lot of negative things down here including murder, but this is a tourism community with many, many areas where large amounts of people routinely gather. Very rare to have something like this that strikes at a random tourism entity like an airport, cruise ship terminal, concert, sporting event, or shopping complex.

I live here! Have for 30 years, so you don't have to explain it to me. I'm in Broward at least once a week. Dade usually once every 10 days. PBC always. I was here when a body a day (for awhile anyway) was turning up in the Palm Beach Mall parking lot. I saw Ted & William Kennedy in ER Bradleys days before the Au Bar incident! I've been around! It's beautiful down here, but watch your step.

 

[demlion]

I am not sure of your point, Dem. It is almost always boys or young men. Is there a solution in there somewhere?

I am a big fan of the one-man play named "defending the caveman". In it, the comedian takes a comedic look at the hard wired differences between man and women. In the meantime, while there are great and meaningful programs to help young ladies, there is a lack of good programs to help young men (outside of sports, which can sometimes be as harmful as good). Hey, girls rule and boys drool, right?

I just don't know the solution, do you?

Not sure I know the solution, but the socialization of boys to violent response is obvious. Girls who cry are coddled by adults. Boys are scolded. "ACT like a man!"

We socialize boys to violence.
Here'what I am talking about

 

[psuro]

Not sure I know the solution, but the socialization of boys to violent response is obvious. Girls who cry are coddled by adults. Boys are scolded. "ACT like a man!"

We socialize boys to violence.
Here'what I am talking about

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i think you are stretching it a bit.

 

[psu00]

That is an excellent question.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=cdc+gun+violence+studies&FORM=EDGNNC

Appreciate it but it's not really the CDC's area. Im more interested in any serious phychiatric society research or FBI profiles from their investigation of cases over the years and what they've learned of the psychology behind the warped behavior.

Then I guess the issue is- if there are red flag or triggering personality issues how do you implement policies to treat them and prevent these issues (or at least minimize it) with health/ psych laws the way they are.

 

[PSU87]

Read what you just wrote again...that's insane. We legislate safety all the time. Speed limits, helmet laws, drivers tests warning labels. Drug trials, FDA approvals. I could go on and on. What's truly insane is that everyone is horrified by these tragedies but no one wants to talk about solutions because we might have to give up something or our lives would otherwise be inconvenienced in some way.

"I'm sorry that you lost your mommy little girl but there was nothing we could do to stop the angry man"

Read what you just wrote again. Despite those things people still speed, ignore warning labels, etc. Unsafe drugs still make it to market.
Whatever laws you pass, there are always people willing to break them.

 

[demlion]

i think you are stretching it a bit.

Ok. Why is it always a guy? We are so used to it that we do not even ask.

 

[PSU87]

So why bother...? Right?

The facts are, they are effective even though some people cheat or break the law.

Would you be happy with 50% effective or 0% effective?

Again, this comes down to "me vs we".

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

 

[MtNittany]

Ok. Why is it always a guy? We are so used to it that we do not even ask.

Why did cnn feel the need to "lighten" the image of the perp? We are so used to it that we do not even ask.

 

[demlion]

Why did cnn feel the need to "lighten" the image of the perp? We are so used to it that we do not even ask.

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I don't watch CNN. It is obvious now that you mention it, that skin tone is crucial to the mystery here.

 

[hereforthebeer]

So why bother...? Right?

The facts are, they are effective even though some people cheat or break the law.

Would you be happy with 50% effective or 0% effective?

Again, this comes down to "me vs we".

Source these claims.

 

[MtNittany]

I don't watch CNN. It is obvious now that you mention it, that skin tone is crucial to the mystery here.

I didn't ask you if "skin tone is crucial to the mystery here" NOR did I imply it.

I asked you why cnn would do such a thing.

 

[hereforthebeer]

I don't watch CNN. It is obvious now that you mention it, that skin tone is crucial to the mystery here.

It kind of is.

- in criminology/sociology, this sort of thing used to be considered a white man's crime.
- Dylan Roof is simultaneously getting air time
- the media may or may not bear some responsibility for "glorifying" these attacks.

 

[demlion]

I didn't ask you if "skin tone is crucial to the mystery here" NOR did I imply it.

I asked you why cnn would do such a thing.

Dunno. Maybe they think skin tone is crucial to this like some people who bring it up all the time do. Hey, at least they didn't make him orange, right?

 

[Creek Side]

I here people say things like, "we can't even have a sensible discussion about the issues". People discuss it all time. It's just that the people saying that we can't have a discussion about it, don't like results of the discussion, and retreat to... "we can't even have a sensible discussion about the issues".

 

[MtNittany]

Dunno. Maybe they think skin tone is crucial to this like some people who bring it up all the time do. Hey, at least they didn't make him orange, right?

I was just wondering if this was part of all that "fake news" that they keep reporting on. Gee, wouldn't that be ironic, huh?

Funny though - they did do the same exact thing with George Zimmerman. Maybe they just have faulty image software. Yeah. That's the ticket.

 

[demlion]

I was just wondering if this was part of all that "fake news" that they keep reporting on. Gee, wouldn't that be ironic, huh?

Funny though - they did do the same exact thing with George Zimmerman. Maybe they just have faulty image software. Yeah. That's the ticket.

Could be your tweeted source is fake news too

 

[AldenT]

I was just wondering if this was part of all that "fake news" that they keep reporting on. Gee, wouldn't that be ironic, huh?

Funny though - they did do the same exact thing with George Zimmerman. Maybe they just have faulty image software. Yeah. That's the ticket.

Yeah, it was the right wing media that made a fat loser with a penchant for violent outbursts against women into some conservative hero while they made a kid with a candy bar into a dangerous "thug". Too unstable to become a real cop. Lol.

They all do it even if the right wing media doesn't ever mention their part in this. Never apologize, never admit wrong. It got a man elected. Be careful who you lionize.

 

[hereforthebeer]

I here people say things like, "we can't even have a sensible discussion about the issues". People discuss it all time. It's just that the people saying that we can't have a discussion about it, don't like results of the discussion, and retreat to... "we can't even have a discussion about the issues".

These things are studied pretty extensively from a number of angles. Unfortunately, we have news outlets, lawyers, and politicians (one in the same?) to distort reality in a very public way sell to people agendas and falsely convince them of its simplicity.

 

[Creek Side]

These things are studied pretty extensively from a number of angles. Unfortunately, we have news outlets, lawyers, and politicians (one in the same?) to distort reality in a very public way sell to people agendas and falsely convince them of its simplicity.

Very true.

 

[MtNittany]

Yeah, it was the right wing media that made a fat loser with a penchant for violent outbursts against women into some conservative hero while they made a kid with a candy bar into a dangerous "thug". Too unstable to become a real cop. Lol.

They all do it even if the right wing media doesn't ever mention their part in this. Never apologize, never admit wrong. It got a man elected. Be careful who you lionize.

Not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that cnn did not lighten Zimmerman's photo and call him "White Hispanic?" Because they did. The rest of your diatribe is political garbage.

 

[AldenT]

Not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that cnn did not lighten Zimmerman's photo and call him "White Hispanic?" Because they did. The rest of your diatribe is political garbage.

I'm saying all the networks do it. Sean Hannity switches footage to make protestors he doesn't agree with look worse. Does that make you upset? And what would be CNN's motivation in doing this (assuming it's true) when the right blindly lionizes military service and a "dark skinned" George Zimmerman?

All the media in this country sucks ass.

 

[Bobpsu]

I'm saying all the networks do it. Sean Hannity switches footage to make protestors he doesn't agree with look worse. Does that make you upset? And what would be CNN's motivation in doing this (assuming it's true) when the right blindly lionizes military service and a "dark skinned" George Zimmerman?

All the media in this country sucks ass.

What a Liberal, Democrat or Socialist/ Which one are you? Or all of the above? Also do you like yourself much?

 

[Nitt1300]

Why did cnn feel the need to "lighten" the image of the perp? We are so used to it that we do not even ask.

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Is there some way to know which of those (if either) is accurate?
And why does it matter to you?

 

[hereforthebeer]

Because manipulating people is almost always a bad thing?

 

[demlion]

Because manipulating people is almost always a bad thing?

Agree. Even if you manipulate them by falsely accusing them of something they did not do, right? So which pic looks more like the actual guy? Do you know? I mean KNOW, not just have a preconceived idea about it.

Btw, where's the fact check on the tweeted source?

 

[hereforthebeer]

I'm not sure I follow. He surrendered. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of doubt as to guilt or innocence in this one. Or are you talking about a different case?

We have media messing with the image to manipulate the masses, which sucks. That point stands on its own, doesn't it?

 

[psuro]

Agree. Even if you manipulate them by falsely accusing them of something they did not do, right?

Hmmmm.....wonder if that ever happened before, anywhere else.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Agree. Even if you manipulate them by falsely accusing them of something they did not do, right? So which pic looks more like the actual guy? Do you know? I mean KNOW, not just have a preconceived idea about it.

Btw, where's the fact check on the tweeted source?

Sure....Like posting on these boards about a candidate's top advisor running a pedo ring out of a pizza joint. We have at least one taker in this thread who enjoyed being manipulated into thinking that.

I could go on and on. In general, in these times, people seem to enjoy being manipulated if it conforms to their personal biases. And, after being manipulated once, they will return for more over and over again.