SI still has us in NY6

[Jerry]

FWIW: Orange versus Clemson.

I wouldn't take it to the bank though:

Bowl Projections: Tulane In, Tennessee Out of New Year’s Six

Our College Football Playoff picture stayed the same from last week, but there are some changes in the other marquee bowls.

www.si.com

 

[ShoreLion85]

I’m hoping for Cotton vs a G5 opponent. Non-playoff bowl games are glorified exhibitions, but I want PSU to WIN ours, so I’ll take the lowest ranked opponent we can get. We’re going to be missing several starters, and Franklin does not have a stellar bowl record for PSU (3-4).

Lets take care of business first: beat MSU!

 

[The Spin Meister]

FWIW: Orange versus Clemson.

I wouldn't take it to the bank though:

Bowl Projections: Tulane In, Tennessee Out of New Year’s Six

Our College Football Playoff picture stayed the same from last week, but there are some changes in the other marquee bowls.

www.si.com

So do I. Said yesterday we are Orange Bowl bound and was so viscously attacked I spent the night in my safe space.😢

 

[doctornick]

It's all about ending the season ranked higher than one of the SEC teams LSU, Bama, Tenn in the CFP poll. If we do, we are going to the Cotton or Orange.

There would have to be some sort of chaos - leading to both tOSU and UM to make the playoffs - for us to get to the Rose. Basically at least two of USC, TCU and Clemson (TCU in particular potentially needing to lose in the Big 12 championship specifically; they could make it by going loss then win possibly).

 

[Obliviax]

So do I. Said yesterday we are Orange Bowl bound and was so viscously attacked I spent the night in my safe space.😢

makes sense assuming we win Saturday. SI has the loser of the UM/tOSU game going to the Rose Bowl and us getting the third slot. That would be a good game for us and the nation. Clemson still has to play South Carolina, who is coming off a huge win vs Tenn, and NC who is ranked 18.

I see most still project Citrus against ole miss.

The key is Tennessee. If we are over them, we get the NYD6 and if we lose we get Citrus. Tennessee plays Vandy who has beaten Kentucky and Florida back to back. And, of course, Tennesee has to rebound after getting blown out by South Carolina.

 

[ShoreLion85]

The LAST thing PSU should want is both UM and OSU in the playoffs! They are the ENEMY! Never hope for their success or anything good coming to them. We want a blowout win for one of them in their damn “Game”, knocking one of the OUT of playoff contention. We want Clemson, USC, and TCU to win out, keeping either UM or OSU OUT of the playoffs. Screw this bs “conference pride” nonsense! I detest this conference and their continual bias towards the 2 golden children. Only one of them in the playoffs, and then hope that one loses, and badly. Hope every Big Ten team other than PSU LOSES their bowl games!

I want this conference to (figuratively) burn to the ground, as long as PSU ends up king of the ashes!!

PENN STATE Forever!

 

[psuno1]

The DOORS are going to beat the VOLS this week with out Hooker.

 

[Obliviax]

The DOORS are going to beat the VOLS this week with out Hooker.

forgot about Hooker getting injured.

 

[lazydave841]

Love me 2 times.

 

[Jerry]

The LAST thing PSU should want is both UM and OSU in the playoffs! They are the ENEMY! Never hope for their success or anything good coming to them. We want a blowout win for one of them in their damn “Game”, knocking one of the OUT of playoff contention. We want Clemson, USC, and TCU to win out, keeping either UM or OSU OUT of the playoffs. Screw this bs “conference pride” nonsense! I detest this conference and their continual bias towards the 2 golden children. Only one of them in the playoffs, and then hope that one loses, and badly. Hope every Big Ten team other than PSU LOSES their bowl games!

I want this conference to (figuratively) burn to the ground, as long as PSU ends up king of the ashes!!

PENN STATE Forever!

A soliloquy to take its place alongside the great orations of history! King of the ashes! I love it. Better to rule over the ashes than be a servant to...uh...never mind.

Anyway, I share your sentiments, sir. This business about how good it is for us to have Ohio State and Michigan gain post-season glory is bullshit. I root for them to lose. Period.

 

[ShoreLion85]

A soliloquy to take its place alongside the great orations of history! King of the ashes! I love it. Better to rule over the ashes than be a servant to...uh...never mind.

Anyway, I share your sentiments, sir. This business about how good it is for us to have Ohio State and Michigan gain post-season glory is bullshit. I root for them to lose. Period.

YES!! Someone GETS IT! Never hope for their success! It is a myth, and frankly an
illogical one, that our main rivals success is ”good” for us. Their failure is what we want, and lots of it. Then we get the 5 star recruits, we win the conference, and we have a shot to go further, not them. How any PSU fan doesn’t understand this boggles the mind.

 

[Jerry]

makes sense assuming we win Saturday. SI has the loser of the UM/tOSU game going to the Rose Bowl and us getting the third slot. That would be a good game for us and the nation. Clemson still has to play South Carolina, who is coming off a huge win vs Tenn, and NC who is ranked 18.

I see most still project Citrus against ole miss.

The key is Tennessee. If we are over them, we get the NYD6 and if we lose we get Citrus. Tennessee plays Vandy who has beaten Kentucky and Florida back to back. And, of course, Tennesee has to rebound after getting blown out by South Carolina.

Agreed re Tennessee. They could be the key. That's why it will be very interesting to see whether the committee ranks them just ahead of us (as in the AP poll) or just behind us (as in the Coaches poll). If behind as per AP, that's bad news.

Regarding this weekend, Vandy won't be an automatic win, especially without Hooker. (I do feel bad for the kid.) Still, the Vols are favored by 14, and it's hard to see them blowing this game, with or without their starting QB. Of course, if we don't take care of business ourselves, it's all a moot point.

 

[JayWye]

makes sense assuming we win Saturday. SI has the loser of the UM/tOSU game going to the Rose Bowl and us getting the third slot. That would be a good game for us and the nation. Clemson still has to play South Carolina, who is coming off a huge win vs Tenn, and NC who is ranked 18.

I see most still project Citrus against ole miss.

The key is Tennessee. If we are over them, we get the NYD6 and if we lose we get Citrus. Tennessee plays Vandy who has beaten Kentucky and Florida back to back. And, of course, Tennesee has to rebound after getting blown out by South Carolina.

They also have to replace their starting QB who was the heart and soul of their offense.

 

[KCLion]

They also have to replace their starting QB who was the heart and soul of their offense.

Joe Milton won the starting job last year, got hurt in 1st game and Hooker came in and never gave the job back.

 

[Texas Lion]

remember last year??? I and one other publication had the Bowl we went to. So many things will change over the next few weeks. All the teams above us have a shot at a loss.

Here is my deal.....if we are going to have a ton of opt outs then just go to the lesser bowl. If we are going to go balls to the wall then I want a NY6.

 

[lazydave841]

remember last year??? I and one other publication had the Bowl we went to. So many things will change over the next few weeks. All the teams above us have a shot at a loss.

Here is my deal.....if we are going to have a ton of opt outs then just go to the lesser bowl. If we are going to go balls to the wall then I want a NY6.

We also had to play up in our matchup with Arkansas last year.

 

[ShoreLion85]

remember last year??? I and one other publication had the Bowl we went to. So many things will change over the next few weeks. All the teams above us have a shot at a loss.

Here is my deal.....if we are going to have a ton of opt outs then just go to the lesser bowl. If we are going to go balls to the wall then I want a NY6.

Well then you want the lesser bowl, because we will have at least 4, and all are frontline players: Porter, Mustipher, Fashanu, Jacobs for almost sure, with Washington, Strange, K Lee (probable transfer) potentially.

Playing for school pride, your teammates, or even a sense of duty to the program that coached and nurtured you for X amount of years is no longer the paradigm. “Me and my potential pay day” is now the paradigm. Renders non-playoff bowl games only slightly more meaningful than the Blue White game. That’s why I want the bowl game with the lowest ranked or even unranked opponent - better chance of winning it.

 

[PSUoh90]

The DOORS are going to beat the VOLS this week with out Hooker.

I do not think Vandy will beat them, but do think it's a possibility. Between the absolute ass kicking they took last week, and Hooker done for the season, very deflating situation.

 

[Obliviax]

I do not think Vandy will beat them, but do think it's a possibility. Between the absolute ass kicking they took last week, and Hooker done for the season, very deflating situation.

Vandy has beaten Kentucky and Florida back to back. And while those teams aren't great, Tennessee without Hooker isn't much better.

 

[Online Persona]

Well then you want the lesser bowl, because we will have at least 4, and all are frontline players: Porter, Mustipher, Fashanu, Jacobs for almost sure, with Washington, Strange, K Lee (probable transfer) potentially.

Playing for school pride, your teammates, or even a sense of duty to the program that coached and nurtured you for X amount of years is no longer the paradigm. “Me and my potential pay day” is now the paradigm. Renders non-playoff bowl games only slightly more meaningful than the Blue White game. That’s why I want the bowl game with the lowest ranked or even unranked opponent - better chance of winning it.

I posted a link to the most thorough draft prospect analysis to date. Jacobs wasn't listed in the top 500 draft eligible prospects. That's about 2 drafts worth of players. If he leaves early, it is on very bad advice.

 

[lazydave841]

I posted a link to the most thorough draft prospect analysis to date. Jacobs wasn't listed in the top 500 draft eligible prospects. That's about 2 drafts worth of players. If he leaves early, it is on very bad advice.

Jacobs seems to be a great team player. He's been willing to play wherever the staff asks.

Hopefully the staff has learned his best position is at Sam and can sell him on having an awesome '23 with Carter, King, Elsdon, De Luca, Wylie, Buddin, the freshman and whomever they might pursue in the portal. He's an outside LB by far and would be better served getting a tad bigger while maintaining his speed or increasing it. He's not got Brooks' film as a tackler, nor Smith's combine athleticism so it's truly a crap shoot where he would go, if at all, unless he got a combine invite and blew up.

 

[HazletonLion]

The LAST thing PSU should want is both UM and OSU in the playoffs! They are the ENEMY! Never hope for their success or anything good coming to them. We want a blowout win for one of them in their damn “Game”, knocking one of the OUT of playoff contention. We want Clemson, USC, and TCU to win out, keeping either UM or OSU OUT of the playoffs. Screw this bs “conference pride” nonsense! I detest this conference and their continual bias towards the 2 golden children. Only one of them in the playoffs, and then hope that one loses, and badly. Hope every Big Ten team other than PSU LOSES their bowl games!

I want this conference to (figuratively) burn to the ground, as long as PSU ends up king of the ashes!!

PENN STATE Forever!

I like this ! Boola, Boola, days are long gone, we are not lap dog SEC teams chanting ,SEC, SEC in bowl games.
After losing way too many games since 93 due to officiating these two teams and their fan bases are intolerable.
I want Vandy to thump Tennessee
LSU to lose to a revived A&M
Cadillac to pump up Auburn over Bama.
The Rattler to upset Clemson
Best yet Iowa to upset the UM- OSU winner total chaos.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I like this ! Boola, Boola, days are long gone, we are not lap dog SEC teams chanting ,SEC, SEC in bowl games.
After losing way too many games since 93 due to officiating these two teams and their fan bases are intolerable.
I want Vandy to thump Tennessee
LSU to lose to a revived A&M
Cadillac to pump up Auburn over Bama.
The Rattler to upset Clemson
Best yet Iowa to upset the UM- OSU winner total chaos.

So how much psilocybin did you consume?

Would love to all that but it ain’t gonna happen.

 

[PSUoh90]

Vandy has beaten Kentucky and Florida back to back. And while those teams aren't great, Tennessee without Hooker isn't much better.

Even so, Tennessee is a 15-point favorite.

 

[ryoder1]

It's all about ending the season ranked higher than one of the SEC teams LSU, Bama, Tenn in the CFP poll. If we do, we are going to the Cotton or Orange.

There would have to be some sort of chaos - leading to both tOSU and UM to make the playoffs - for us to get to the Rose. Basically at least two of USC, TCU and Clemson (TCU in particular potentially needing to lose in the Big 12 championship specifically; they could make it by going loss then win possibly).

Does Clemson as the ACC champ get in over scUM if scUM loses a close one to O$U? This assumes U$C loses again. And if TCU loses the B12 championship game would they get in over a one loss scUM? Not a lot of chaos needs to happen for both scUM and O$U to get in. On the flip side, if scUM wins a close one then all you need is U$C to lose and O$U is still in and even that may not be necessary. Best path for PSU to make the Rose is O$U losing a close one to scUM. If that happens they would just rank scUM #2 and only move O$U to #4 to avoid a semi rematch. TCU slots in at #3 and if they lose then U$C goes in at #3.

 

[psuno1]

Does Clemson as the ACC champ get in over scUM if scUM loses a close one to O$U? This assumes U$C loses again. And if TCU loses the B12 championship game would they get in over a one loss scUM? Not a lot of chaos needs to happen for both scUM and O$U to get in. On the flip side, if scUM wins a close one then all you need is U$C to lose and O$U is still in and even that may not be necessary. Best path for PSU to make the Rose is O$U losing a close one to scUM. If that happens they would just rank scUM #2 and only move O$U to #4 to avoid a semi rematch. TCU slots in at #3 and if they lose then U$C goes in at #3.

Yes, same with USC with one loss Conference champ, I think those two would jump TCU as well
UGA OSU USC Clemson final four.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

So do I. Said yesterday we are Orange Bowl bound and was so viscously attacked I spent the night in my safe space.😢

PSU is very much alive for the Orange. I looked up the exact Selection Criteria for the Orange. The Orange is locked in to the ACC Champion (or highest ranked ACC team not invited to 4-Team Invitational) on one side; and, the highest ranked team from the combination of b1g, SEC or ND who are not committed to CFP 4-Team Invitational, Rose or Sugar on the other side. Bama is likely to Sugar and it comes down to who's ranked higher between PSU, Tenn and LSU.

 

[Obliviax]

PSU is very much alive for the Orange. I looked up the exact Selection Criteria for the Orange. The Orange is locked in to the ACC Champion (or highest ranked ACC team not invited to 4-Team Invitational) on one side; and, the highest ranked team from the combination of b1g, SEC or ND who are not committed to CFP 4-Team Invitational, Rose or Sugar on the other side. Bama is likely to Sugar and it comes down to who's ranked higher between PSU, Tenn and LSU.

yep...but looks like we'll be ranked 11. Tenn has to lose versus Vandy. LSU will play GA in the SEC championship game and lose. Even at that, would a 3 loss LSU team dip below us? Not sure. Oregon moves ahead of us as well.

I think it is 80% we go to the Citrus Bowl. 10% Cotton or Orange. Rose is not dead but all but. TCU & Clemons would have to lose again and UM/tOSU would have to play a hell of a game.

 

[Jerry]

yep...but looks like we'll be ranked 11. Tenn has to lose versus Vandy. LSU will play GA in the SEC championship game and lose. Even at that, would a 3 loss LSU team dip below us? Not sure. Oregon moves ahead of us as well.

I think it is 80% we go to the Citrus Bowl. 10% Cotton or Orange. Rose is not dead but all but. TCU & Clemons would have to lose again and UM/tOSU would have to play a hell of a game.

Tune in tomorrow night at 7:00. If the committee follows the Coaches lead and ranks us 10th and Tennessee 11th, that's a very good sign since Tennessee won't jump us at the end by beating Vanderbilt, assuming we do the same to Michigan State.

But if, as with AP, we're 11th and Tennessee 10th, then the reverse logic applies, and our path to an NY6 bid gets a lot more complicated. Even with that, we'd still be a longshot for either Cotton or Rose.

In the end, Citrus is the best of the non-playoff, non-NY6 bowls. It would be very nice recognition of a season that exceeded all expectations. (I won't get into opt-outs so as not to rain on the parade.)

 

[doctornick]

Does Clemson as the ACC champ get in over scUM if scUM loses a close one to O$U? This assumes U$C loses again. And if TCU loses the B12 championship game would they get in over a one loss scUM? Not a lot of chaos needs to happen for both scUM and O$U to get in. On the flip side, if scUM wins a close one then all you need is U$C to lose and O$U is still in and even that may not be necessary. Best path for PSU to make the Rose is O$U losing a close one to scUM. If that happens they would just rank scUM #2 and only move O$U to #4 to avoid a semi rematch. TCU slots in at #3 and if they lose then U$C goes in at #3.

Yes, if Clemson wins out they will go in over UM. tOSU actually has the better argument vs Clemson if both are one loss given the results versus a common opponent (Notre Dame) and that would be interesting to see.

I think TCU still gets in if they lose this week, but win the Big 12 champ. The CFP committee has already favored champions over teams with similar records who are non-champions. USC is definitely in if they win out, but they've got two reasonably tough games ahead.

 

[doctornick]

PSU is very much alive for the Orange. I looked up the exact Selection Criteria for the Orange. The Orange is locked in to the ACC Champion (or highest ranked ACC team not invited to 4-Team Invitational) on one side; and, the highest ranked team from the combination of b1g, SEC or ND who are not committed to CFP 4-Team Invitational, Rose or Sugar on the other side. Bama is likely to Sugar and it comes down to who's ranked higher between PSU, Tenn and LSU.

Of course. At this point, unless UM and tOSU both make the CFP, it will basically be the highest ranked three of PSU, Bama, LSU and Tenn filling the Sugar, Orange and Cotton (obviously PSU can't go to the Sugar, that will be an SEC team). We'd be a great shape if we are above Tenn in tonight's rankings.

 

[The Spin Meister]

PSU is very much alive for the Orange. I looked up the exact Selection Criteria for the Orange. The Orange is locked in to the ACC Champion (or highest ranked ACC team not invited to 4-Team Invitational) on one side; and, the highest ranked team from the combination of b1g, SEC or ND who are not committed to CFP 4-Team Invitational, Rose or Sugar on the other side. Bama is likely to Sugar and it comes down to who's ranked higher between PSU, Tenn and LSU.

Bingo

 

[Obliviax]

Bingo

Agreed but Tenn only has one game left, against Vandy. And LSU only has one regular season game left, against a horrible A&M team. So LSU beats A&M and loses to GA in the SEC championship game, my bet is they still take the SEC championship loser over a two-loss PSU team with no signature wins.

I think our only chance at the Orange is if both LSU and Tenn teams lose Saturday.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Agreed but Tenn only has one game left, against Vandy. And LSU only has one regular season game left, against a horrible A&M team. So LSU beats A&M and loses to GA in the SEC championship game, my bet is they still take the SEC championship loser over a two-loss PSU team with no signature wins.

I think our only chance at the Orange is if both LSU and Tenn teams lose Saturday.

We comfortably beat Sparty butt LSU won’t get in with three losses unlesss they lose a very close game with Big style officiating.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Of course. At this point, unless UM and tOSU both make the CFP, it will basically be the highest ranked three of PSU, Bama, LSU and Tenn filling the Sugar, Orange and Cotton (obviously PSU can't go to the Sugar, that will be an SEC team). We'd be a great shape if we are above Tenn in tonight's rankings.

Actually, highest ranked SEC outside CFP 4-Team Invite goes to Sugar (just as highest ranked B12 outside CFP goes to Sugar and highest ranked b1g & Pac12 outside CFP go to Rose). The next highest of b1g, SEC and ND only will go to Orange. The Cotton will have one side as highest ranked G5 team as they are guaranteed one slot in NY6 Bowl, so the last remaining slot would go to highest ranked team in CFP Rankings who is still left. If USC goes to CFP, Oregon and scUM to Rose - this would mean 2 of PSU, LSU and Tenn go to Orange and Cotton (which teams and which Bowl will depend on their ordinal ranking). Highest of 3 will go to Orange, next highest ranked Cotton. Lowest ranked Citrus probably vs Ole Miss.

 

[lazydave841]

Even so, Tennessee is a 15-point favorite.

What was the line vs USCe? Just curious. Vandy has won as a -19 dog vs UK. Unsure about UF line, but figure -9 to -12.

 

[PSUoh90]

What was the line vs USCe? Just curious. Vandy has won as a -19 dog vs UK. Unsure about UF line, but figure -9 to -12.

-23.5 @ USC which is a massive road favorite. I'd just be shocked if they lost as a double-digit favorite again. Without dissecting the matchup, I'd be inclined to bet Tennessee based on perception alone (Vandy beating UF and UT getting smacked by USC), but we shall see, and I'd love to see the Commadores win.

I'd also love to see the Aggies beat LSU, but they don't have much to play for and they don't seem to have much interest in playing.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

What was the line vs USCe? Just curious. Vandy has won as a -19 dog vs UK. Unsure about UF line, but figure -9 to -12.

It's still unclear where PSU, Tenn and Oregon will be ranked - the 3 will be ranked in the 9, 10 and 11 in new CFP Poll, but which team fills which spot is unclear. Additionally, LSU is likely to take a 3rd Loss in SEC CCG which makes Final ordinal ranking difficult.

 

[fastlax16]

yep...but looks like we'll be ranked 11. Tenn has to lose versus Vandy. LSU will play GA in the SEC championship game and lose. Even at that, would a 3 loss LSU team dip below us? Not sure. Oregon moves ahead of us as well.

I think it is 80% we go to the Citrus Bowl. 10% Cotton or Orange. Rose is not dead but all but. TCU & Clemons would have to lose again and UM/tOSU would have to play a hell of a game.

Oregon is irrelevant. Either they win out and go to the rose or they lose their third game and drop below us. Either way we aren’t vying for any slots they might occupy.

 

[fastlax16]

It's still unclear where PSU, Tenn and Oregon will be ranked - the 3 will be ranked in the 9, 10 and 11 in new CFP Poll, but which team fills which spot is unclear. Additionally, LSU is likely to take a 3rd Loss in SEC CCG which makes Final ordinal ranking difficult.

Also depends what that loss looks like. Georgia beating them by 30 is different than by 3.