SIAP: For you "Ivermectin is horse dewormer!!!1!!" sheep (and everyone else), a truly fantastic...

PSUEngineer89

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It should not be beyond you or anyone. If ivermectin or any other alternative strategy was known to be effective, the EUA for the jabs could not have been granted. Without the EUA, legal immunity doesn’t exist. Without legal immunity, these death shots would never see the light of day. As usual, follow the money.
I don't think that's right.

As long as Ivermectin wasn't approved for treatment of Covid, then EUA is still available to the vaccine. All the deep state had to do was just be quiet and let doctors use their experience.

Here's from the FDA:

Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.
 

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I don't think that's right.

As long as Ivermectin wasn't approved for treatment of Covid, then EUA is still available to the vaccine. All the deep state had to do was just be quiet and let doctors use their experience.

Here's from the FDA:

Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.
People seem to forget that IVM was ALREADY an FDA approved drug, docs were just using it off label like they do for 40% of the Rx's they write. As long as there was any kind of alternative to the shots then the shots wouldn't get EUA. That's why IVM, HCQ, etc. had to get demonized and cancelled.

The other thing is many many people never would have taken a novel shot if they were told there were safe, cheap, and effective alternatives with a fraction of the risk.
 

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People seem to forget that IVM was ALREADY an FDA approved drug, docs were just using it off label like they do for 40% of the Rx's they write. As long as there was any kind of alternative to the shots then the shots wouldn't get EUA. That's why IVM, HCQ, etc. had to get demonized and cancelled.

The other thing is many many people never would have taken a novel shot if they were told there were safe, cheap, and effective alternatives with a fraction of the risk.
That doesn't make sense.

There was widespread vilification of HCQ and IVM as soon as Trump mentioned HCQ in April of 2020.

At that point in time, the argument against Trump by Fauci was: "Any vaccine will take at least 2 years, maybe more".

At first, there was no hope for a vaccine.

A theory more consistent with all the statements is: "We'd say or do anything to beat Trump"
 

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Personally, while I doubt it is, I really really hope the bible is accurate.
Just one problem with that. If it is really accurate, just being a good person won't cut it. Not only that, but being a good person is not the barometer, at all. You must truly believe and formally accept that Christ is who he said he is. Not doing so, according to the bible, is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. You can be the worst person to have ever walked the earth, but on your death bed, if you truly believe in your heart that Christ is Christ, and you accept that, and you ask for his forgiveness, you will be forgiven for every sin you have ever committed in your life. After all, what father could turn away one of his children that came to him asking for his forgiveness, regardless what they may have done.
 
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Just one problem with that. If it is really accurate, just being a good person won't cut it. Not only that, but being a good person is not the barometer, at all. You must truly believe and formally accept that Christ is who he said he is. Not doing so, according to the bible, is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. You can be the worst person to have ever walked the earth, but on your death bed, if you truly believe in your heart that Christ is Christ, and you accept that, and you ask for his forgiveness, you will be forgiven for every sin you have ever committed in your life. After all, what father could turn away one of his children that came to him asking for his forgiveness, regardless what they may have done.

Well then...
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...that!
 

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That doesn't make sense.

There was widespread vilification of HCQ and IVM as soon as Trump mentioned HCQ in April of 2020.

At that point in time, the argument against Trump by Fauci was: "Any vaccine will take at least 2 years, maybe more".

At first, there was no hope for a vaccine.

A theory more consistent with all the statements is: "We'd say or do anything to beat Trump"

By April, Fauci had hope for a vaccine. He had hope and belief that it would be much sooner than two years, but unless it began to hurt his plan, he was OK with the public having that longer expectation -- It would only make people that much happier, and he would only be a bigger hero, when the timeline came in under the expectations.
 

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By April, Fauci had hope for a vaccine. He had hope and belief that it would be much sooner than two years, but unless it began to hurt his plan, he was OK with the public having that longer expectation -- It would only make people that much happier, and he would only be a bigger hero, when the timeline came in under the expectations.
You're right, you can tell he's an attention whore and loved being in charge of the fate of our country and to some extent the world.
 

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That doesn't make sense.

There was widespread vilification of HCQ and IVM as soon as Trump mentioned HCQ in April of 2020.

At that point in time, the argument against Trump by Fauci was: "Any vaccine will take at least 2 years, maybe more".

At first, there was no hope for a vaccine.

A theory more consistent with all the statements is: "We'd say or do anything to beat Trump"
The two theories aren't mutually exclusive. They attacked Trump for mentioning HCQ for multiple reasons. Him mentioning it offered some hope and deflated some fear (they needed to keep the fear porn going so they could eventually push their vaccines), they attacked him b/c any alternative would preclude the vaccines from getting EUA once they did finish developing them, etc..
 

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By April, Fauci had hope for a vaccine. He had hope and belief that it would be much sooner than two years, but unless it began to hurt his plan, he was OK with the public having that longer expectation -- It would only make people that much happier, and he would only be a bigger hero, when the timeline came in under the expectations.
Speculation? Or details behind it?
 

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The absolute insanity on display does make me think I could be wrong about motivations.

How can the CDC possibly be considering adding Covid vaxx next to measles, rubella, polio?

Covid is HARMLESS to under 20s, and vaxx only helps with recovery, but very little in the way of transmission.

Is everyone this stupid?

Makes me at least question how nefarious this might be.
 

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The absolute insanity on display does make me think I could be wrong about motivations.

How can the CDC possibly be considering adding Covid vaxx next to measles, rubella, polio?

Covid is HARMLESS to under 20s, and vaxx only helps with recovery, but very little in the way of transmission.

Is everyone this stupid?

Makes me at least question how nefarious this might be.
There are def some useful idiots that may not know they are being used but the majority of them aren't stupid. They are greedy evil assholes who are whores for big pharma. If you really dive into it, the people pushing these shots really hard are eugenicists (Gates et al) who believe they are saving the planet with their depopulation agenda.

For a peek behind the curtain take a look at this clip of a deposition of Dr. Stanley Plotkin (a vaccine "expert"). He doesn't even bat an eye when he talks about them testing experimental vaccines on orphans and mentally disabled kids. These people are pure EVIL. Most of them are atheists as well as he proudly proclaims.

(Plotkin interview clip - gave experimental vaccines to orphans and mentally disabled kids)


(Full 9 hr deposition of Stanley Plotkin MD, a leading authority on vaccinology, on vaccine ingredients containing animal viruses, aborted fetal tissues, animal blood, animal proteins, etc.)
 
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The absolute insanity on display does make me think I could be wrong about motivations.

How can the CDC possibly be considering adding Covid vaxx next to measles, rubella, polio?

Covid is HARMLESS to under 20s, and vaxx only helps with recovery, but very little in the way of transmission.

Is everyone this stupid?

Makes me at least question how nefarious this might be.
Meanwhile friggin' Europe is banning the shot for kids. There better be a revolt.
 
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The two theories aren't mutually exclusive. They attacked Trump for mentioning HCQ for multiple reasons. Him mentioning it offered some hope and deflated some fear (they needed to keep the fear porn going so they could eventually push their vaccines), they attacked him b/c any alternative would preclude the vaccines from getting EUA once they did finish developing them, etc..
Don’t forget the fear porn was also a way to destroy the Trump economic explosion and damage his re-election chances. They combined the fear porn with massive country wide riots all summer and illegal and immoral voting methodology.

Amazing coincidence that the worst global pandemic in a hundred years, the worst riots in fifty years, and the most screwed up, dishonest election in 150 years all happened the same year.
 

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It could be.

But it wasn’t just Fauci, and not an isolated event.

They also have to explain the shutdowns, which even the CDC had to know would cause insane damage while only delaying the date you got Covid.

They have to explain schoolkids in masks. Again, very tough to explain unless your intent is only to harm Trump.

They have to explain why they asked the manufacturers to not announce any news until after the election, which they promptly did.

I know you hate Trump. Try to see past it.
 

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It could be.

But it wasn’t just Fauci, and not an isolated event.

They also have to explain the shutdowns, which even the CDC had to know would cause insane damage while only delaying the date you got Covid.

They have to explain schoolkids in masks. Again, very tough to explain unless your intent is only to harm Trump.

They have to explain why they asked the manufacturers to not announce any news until after the election, which they promptly did.

I know you hate Trump. Try to see past it.

I don't think my hypothesis and your hypothesis (what you're suggesting here) are mutually exclusive. Do you?
 

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I don't think my hypothesis and your hypothesis (what you're suggesting here) are mutually exclusive. Do you?
No, I don’t.

But I don’t really think we have a Fauci problem or a Biden problem.

I think we have a federal government problem.
 

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No, I don’t.

But I don’t really think we have a Fauci problem or a Biden problem.

I think we have a federal government problem.

I think your hypothesis more applies to the media... Because of their hatred for him (Trump), and their willingness to accept any collateral damage to hurt him as much as possible, they were all too willing to accept the Fauci/Brix plan to keep fear stoked and everyone as locked down (or restricted) as they could reasonably pull off.

If anyone else were POTUS while Fauci/Brix/PH were trying to steer the pandemic response like that, the media would have been asking all kinds of questions and challenging Fauci/Brix/PH wherever/whenever they could. But since it was Trump, they just ate it up because they could make wonderful (in their opinion) lemonade with the lemons.

Inside, I don't think it was so much about Trump (beyond the not-insignificant emotional reflex to disagree with him and make him look bad) as it was coalescing around the building political divide and alignment regarding restrictions... Which was being created and led by Fauci + media.
 

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The absolute insanity on display does make me think I could be wrong about motivations.

How can the CDC possibly be considering adding Covid vaxx next to measles, rubella, polio?

Covid is HARMLESS to under 20s, and vaxx only helps with recovery, but very little in the way of transmission.

Is everyone this stupid?

Makes me at least question how nefarious this might be.
Yes they are that stupid.