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SIAP.........what is the proper way to handle this (video of walmart fight)????

Michael.Felli

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I just watched Bill Maher and he had a clip from this video (first I saw or even heard of this). What ever happened to people trying to break up a fight? Seriously?

There were grown adults around just watching this. Is this the "norm"? You don't get involved? You just let them fight it out? Is this what is taught?

The girl on the bottom was just fortunate they weren't down an aisle with glass bottles. That kid, not really understanding what he was doing, would've picked up a glass bottle and whacked that girl in the head causing serious damage.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I was actually appalled watching this video. It wasn't comical at all.

 
Michael.Felli said:
I just watched Bill Maher and he had a clip from this video (first I saw or even heard of this). What ever happened to people trying to break up a fight? Seriously?

There were grown adults around just watching this. Is this the "norm"? You don't get involved? You just let them fight it out? Is this what is taught?

The girl on the bottom was just fortunate they weren't down an aisle with glass bottles. That kid, not really understanding what he was doing, would've picked up a glass bottle and whacked that girl in the head causing serious damage.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I was actually appalled watching this video. It wasn't comical at all.

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No kidding. Well, this is why effective bystander intervention is desperately needed in this country. Including on college campuses. If you do not want to live in a place where this sort of stuff goes on, then YOU have to do something. There are three whole categories of things you can do without touching anyone. The following is part of the Green Dot Program, which is being instituted at PSU, much to the consternation of some ill-informed souls.

Direct (directly interact with the potential perpetrator
or victim and address your concern),

Distract (create a diversion to diffuse the potentially
problematic situation), and

Delegate (ask someone else to help in the situation).

The green dot
strategy doesn’t say what to do; it just says to do something. The emphasis in this section is on
helping participants see that they have a range of options. This module wraps up with a discussion
of “self-defining moments.” A self-defining moment is when an individual recognizes a potential reddot,
and then is challenged by one of his/her obstacles. The choice someone makes in that moment -
to act or to walk away – is their self-defining moment.http://www.calcasa.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Curriculum-Summary.pdf






 
I dont t like you and am not really replying to your post. Rather, I am reminding you that you are an idiot woefully out of touch with the real world.
 
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demlion said:
No kidding. Well, this is why effective bystander intervention is desperately needed in this country. Including on college campuses. If you do not want to live in a place where this sort of stuff goes on, then YOU have to do something. There are three whole categories of things you can do without touching anyone. The following is part of the Green Dot Program, which is being instituted at PSU, much to the consternation of some ill-informed souls.

Direct (directly interact with the potential perpetrator
or victim and address your concern),

Distract (create a diversion to diffuse the potentially
problematic situation), and

Delegate (ask someone else to help in the situation).

The green dot
strategy doesn’t say what to do; it just says to do something. The emphasis in this section is on
helping participants see that they have a range of options. This module wraps up with a discussion
of “self-defining moments.” A self-defining moment is when an individual recognizes a potential reddot,
and then is challenged by one of his/her obstacles. The choice someone makes in that moment -
to act or to walk away – is their self-defining moment.http://www.calcasa.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Curriculum-Summary.pdf
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Not too familiar with the green dot.

I realize that family and friends hit sore spots, tempers flare and some fists may fly. Everytime I've ever been around that, friends or family step in and break it up.

I'm not around many fights anymore. Popular night spot I frequent in St Augustine, Conch House, had a massive bouncer brawl on Reggae Sunday a few weeks back. Videos all over YouTube. Apparently a bouncer pushed a guy on the ground into the water. People just standing around watching.

Two different scenarios, I know, but here we have two women and a kid. That one women was on whack away from having traumatic brain injury. I realize most teens don't think about that stuff, but adults? Come on, people.

I don't know how I'd feel knowing someone died while I stood there watching. That would haunt me.

Just curious if this bystander approach is now the norm.

I will have to check out the green dot.
 
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I dont t like you and am not really teplying to your post. Rather, I am reminding you that you are an idiot woefully out of touch with the real world.
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I "liked" your post. Is there a way to double like a post. Because I really liked it THAT much.
 
Michael.Felli said:
I "liked" your post. Is there a way to double like a post. Because I really liked it THAT much.
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Have you tried double posting? It seems to work for others.

I see that that the growth hormones you have been ingesting haven't quite made it up to your cerebrum..
 
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Michael.Felli said:
Just curious if this bystander approach is now the norm.
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Not the norm now at all. What you see on the video is the norm. However, if your question is whether this training is becoming the norm, I would say it is--Green dot started THREE years ago (I think I read) and is now in 20 states in Colleges and High Schools.

Each of us can either do something about it or we can STFU about it, is my view. You cannot bitch about this sort of thing, or even express concern for long if you are not going to do anything.

The Green Dot is the answer to the question "what can I do?" Once you know about it, you have to do something.
 
Michael.Felli said:
I just watched Bill Maher and he had a clip from this video (first I saw or even heard of this). What ever happened to people trying to break up a fight? Seriously?

There were grown adults around just watching this. Is this the "norm"? You don't get involved? You just let them fight it out? Is this what is taught?

The girl on the bottom was just fortunate they weren't down an aisle with glass bottles. That kid, not really understanding what he was doing, would've picked up a glass bottle and whacked that girl in the head causing serious damage.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I was actually appalled watching this video. It wasn't comical at all.

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Well my guess is because any person intervening would probably be sued out the wazoo by this type of trailer park trash. So f'm and let em go. INMO neither one of "these fine people" is worth sullying your hands over. Sorry.
 
BBrown said:
Well my guess is because any person intervening would probably be sued out the wazoo by this type of trailer park trash. So f'm and let em go. INMO neither one of "these fine people" is worth sullying your hands over. Sorry.
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There are a LOT of things you could do in that situation which would not involve touching anyone or even getting very close to anyone. Some guy at the beginning of the video tried to get them to cut it out, but he quit too soon.

One of the things effective bystander intervention training does is teach you how to intervene EARLIER, before the fight starts.
 
demlion said:
There are a LOT of things you could do in that situation which would not involve touching anyone or even getting very close to anyone. Some guy at the beginning of the video tried to get them to cut it out, but he quit too soon.

One of the things effective bystander intervention training does is teach you how to intervene EARLIER, before the fight starts.
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Sorry, Dem ,but as others have pointed out ...the inVolved parties are neither worthy of my intervention. It's not like I stumbled across an auto accident involving these trailer park people.

This is what happens when one covets Chinese-made goods at Wal-Mart. Not my problem.
 
demlion said:
There are a LOT of things you could do in that situation which would not involve touching anyone or even getting very close to anyone. Some guy at the beginning of the video tried to get them to cut it out, but he quit too soon.

One of the things effective bystander intervention training does is teach you how to intervene EARLIER, before the fight starts.
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Michael.Felli said:
I just watched Bill Maher and he had a clip from this video (first I saw or even heard of this). What ever happened to people trying to break up a fight? Seriously?

There were grown adults around just watching this. Is this the "norm"? You don't get involved? You just let them fight it out? Is this what is taught?

The girl on the bottom was just fortunate they weren't down an aisle with glass bottles. That kid, not really understanding what he was doing, would've picked up a glass bottle and whacked that girl in the head causing serious damage.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I was actually appalled watching this video. It wasn't comical at all.

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My biggest problem is with the person holding the camera. I hate when they hold the camera in portrait mode. How hard is it to turn the thing sideways.
 
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Peetz Pool Boy said:
Sorry, Dem ,but as others have pointed out ...the inVolved parties are neither worthy of my intervention. It's not like I stumbled across an auto accident involving these trailer park people.

This is what happens when one covets Chinese-made goods at Wal-Mart. Not my problem.
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Then as public life is coarsened and made more ugly and violent, and little kids like this one grow up believing in their right to use violence to settle disputes, I guess you can just go with the idea that maybe they won't make you or your friends (who are presumably not trashy) their victims. Just do not complain about what you tolerated when it comes to your house.
 
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demlion said:
Then as public life is coarsened and made more ugly and violent, and little kids like this one grow up believing in their right to use violence to settle disputes, I guess you can just go with the idea that maybe they won't make you or your friends (who are presumably not trashy) their victims. Just do not complain about what you tolerated when it comes to your house.
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This is why my house has a large, hopefully-impenetrable fence, acting as a first line defense.
 
Wasn't the crew from Seinfeld convicted of not intervening in an assault and locked away for ever? Personally I would have dumped a few buckets of water on them and then LMAO
 
Michael.Felli said:
I just watched Bill Maher and he had a clip from this video (first I saw or even heard of this). What ever happened to people trying to break up a fight? Seriously?

There were grown adults around just watching this. Is this the "norm"? You don't get involved? You just let them fight it out? Is this what is taught?

The girl on the bottom was just fortunate they weren't down an aisle with glass bottles. That kid, not really understanding what he was doing, would've picked up a glass bottle and whacked that girl in the head causing serious damage.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I was actually appalled watching this video. It wasn't comical at all.

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Where were the Walmart staff in all of this?
 
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demlion said:
Then as public life is coarsened and made more ugly and violent, and little kids like this one grow up believing in their right to use violence to settle disputes, I guess you can just go with the idea that maybe they won't make you or your friends (who are presumably not trashy) their victims. Just do not complain about what you tolerated when it comes to your house.
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I love you and all demlion, but..... really?!? Aside from wishing idiots would start recording video with their phones properly (landscape mode, not portrait), my only other wish is that someone would've taken that little brat over their knee and given him a few swats. Aside from that method of "intervention", do you think anyone intervening in this fight would change the course of this kid's or his mom's life? The kid is damaged goods just like his trash mother. Did you not see his reaction to people trying to intervene? "You don't tell me what to do!!!" As long as we as a country keep "supporting" this type of lifestyle, then I've got news for you...it's only going to keep getting worse. The idiocracy is running amuck.... and breeding like-minded offspring. In this type of situation, intervening will do no good and will only serve to bring grief upon the good samaritan, for as we all know, NO good deed goes unpunished.
 
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Michael.Felli said:
I just watched Bill Maher and he had a clip from this video (first I saw or even heard of this). What ever happened to people trying to break up a fight? Seriously?

There were grown adults around just watching this. Is this the "norm"? You don't get involved? You just let them fight it out? Is this what is taught?

The girl on the bottom was just fortunate they weren't down an aisle with glass bottles. That kid, not really understanding what he was doing, would've picked up a glass bottle and whacked that girl in the head causing serious damage.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I was actually appalled watching this video. It wasn't comical at all.

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Yeah...well, we've seen what happens to people that get involved.

Personally, I like that the gal was using a scooter then got up and had a physical fight.
 
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If I wanted too...
My favorite intervention is too break up cat fights with cold water spray

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I love you and all demlion, but..... really?!? Aside from wishing idiots would start recording video with their phones properly (landscape mode, not portrait), my only other wish is that someone would've taken that little brat over their knee and given him a few swats. Aside from that method of "intervention", do you think anyone intervening in this fight would change the course of this kid's or his mom's life? The kid is damaged goods just like his trash mother. Did you not see his reaction to people trying to intervene? "You don't tell me what to do!!!" As long as we as a country keep "supporting" this type of lifestyle, then I've got news for you...it's only going to keep getting worse. The idiocracy is running amuck.... and breeding like-minded offspring. In this type of situation, intervening will do no good and will only serve to bring grief upon the good samaritan, for as we all know, NO good deed goes unpunished.
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Such the cynic.
 
PSU95alum said:
I love you and all demlion, but..... really?!? Aside from wishing idiots would start recording video with their phones properly (landscape mode, not portrait), my only other wish is that someone would've taken that little brat over their knee and given him a few swats. Aside from that method of "intervention", do you think anyone intervening in this fight would change the course of this kid's or his mom's life? The kid is damaged goods just like his trash mother. Did you not see his reaction to people trying to intervene? "You don't tell me what to do!!!" As long as we as a country keep "supporting" this type of lifestyle, then I've got news for you...it's only going to keep getting worse. The idiocracy is running amuck.... and breeding like-minded offspring. In this type of situation, intervening will do no good and will only serve to bring grief upon the good samaritan, for as we all know, NO good deed goes unpunished.
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You get precisely what you are willing to tolerate from people. There are lots of things you could have done to intervene without touching anyone. To inform them both in a loud voice that the police are on the way might have had an interesting effect. To tell the woman whose kid it was that child protective services "is on the way, and I am going to testify against you, cause that kid is out of control, and it is on you."

I realize that it is easier to do nothing and use it to fuel some rage about how we are going off the deep end because of some societal rules we have allegedly relaxed. We have all been doing it that way for 40 years. How's that working out for us?

A few years ago some idiots on our BoT, were out of control and wrecking our University with both hands as fast as they could. Most people said "Whaddya gonna do?" SOME people intervened. Franco Harris said "I have to do something." Lubrano, the PS4RS folks, the various other groups: "We Are not gonna stand for this." One guy even started making T-shirts. Wonder what happened to him? :) Of course this was a situation in which trashy corporate types were wrecking a great institution out of self-interest in hiding other information. BTW, thus far, we have not changed Ken Frazier much. Think he ever will change? Even if we get him fired? But if we get him fired, we change PSU immediately--indeed, in a few days he will be gone as an active vote. do you really think he would have gone away on his own?

If you tolerate this conduct, you will get more of it. WE do not tolerate it. By doing nothing you actually CHOOSE the conduct which you claim to abhor.

Suppose you are right, and this 7 year old kid is unsalvageable. You STILL gain an advantage by your example to the others. It's just what I think. You do not have to agree, but then again if you do nothing you are giving up your right to complain. You chose this if you do nothing.
 
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Obliviax said:
Yeah...well, we've seen what happens to people that get involved.

Personally, I like that the gal was using a scooter then got up and had a physical fight.
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We see what happens when they don't intervene effectively. Supposing that what MM saw is what he testified to, then his mamby-pamby report to Drano and Daddy is one of the most cowardly things I have ever seen.
 
demlion said:
We see what happens when they don't intervene effectively. Supposing that what MM saw is what he testified to, then his mamby-pamby report to Drano and Daddy is one of the most cowardly things I have ever seen.
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By your opinion, of course. Paterno intervened, did what he was supposed to do. MM intervened, you may or may not like how he did it, but he did intervene.

The problem is, Dem, the people in your profession. Truth is no longer an issue. Prosecutors want to win at any cost. Defense wants to win at any cost. The truth be damned.
 
Obliviax said:
By your opinion, of course. Paterno intervened, did what he was supposed to do. MM intervened, you may or may not like how he did it, but he did intervene.

The problem is, Dem, the people in your profession. Truth is no longer an issue. Prosecutors want to win at any cost. Defense wants to win at any cost. The truth be damned.
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Crybaby BS, I am sorry but it is. There is always an excuse not to do the right thing. There are means of intervention which would not result in your touching anyone. If you touch nobody, you are simply NOT going to be charged with anything.
 
demlion said:
Crybaby BS, I am sorry but it is. There is always an excuse not to do the right thing. There are means of intervention which would not result in your touching anyone. If you touch nobody, you are simply NOT going to be charged with anything.
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Maybe....but one has to "call their shots". i see tons and tons of injustice. I can't fight it all. as such, I choose the ones I fight knowing my priority is to take care of my family.

I respect your work with Penn State and PSU. its admirable. For me, i have other priorities.

I do have to say that it occurs to me that the injustice may be with your profession...so perhaps you should do something about that.
 
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Maybe....but one has to "call their shots". i see tons and tons of injustice. I can't fight it all. as such, I choose the ones I fight knowing my priority is to take care of my family.

I respect your work with Penn State and PSU. its admirable. For me, i have other priorities.

I do have to say that it occurs to me that the injustice may be with your profession...so perhaps you should do something about that.
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One has to call their shots, and that is exactly what the training is for--to teach you to call the shot. SOMETIMES there is nothing you can or should do, but that is actually fairly rare.
 
Obliviax said:
Maybe....but one has to "call their shots". i see tons and tons of injustice. I can't fight it all. as such, I choose the ones I fight knowing my priority is to take care of my family.

I respect your work with Penn State and PSU. its admirable. For me, i have other priorities.

I do have to say that it occurs to me that the injustice may be with your profession...so perhaps you should do something about that.
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Bad lawyers caused a fight in Walmart. good one.
 
demlion said:
One has to call their shots, and that is exactly what the training is for--to teach you to call the shot. SOMETIMES there is nothing you can or should do, but that is actually fairly rare.
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Don't disagree. The problem is that the legal world has a different level of "common sense" than "real" people do. for example, as a guy, If I intervene to get these gals separated and one of them falls down and gets hurt as I pull them away, I am now subject to both criminal and civil litigation. Even if I am proven not guilty, it could take thousands of dollars and a lot of time to fight those charges. The deeper your pockets, the more likely you will be sued. patent trolls are a perfect example; people sue inventors knowing that they will settle out of court for tens of thousands of dollars because, overall, its cheaper to settle than to fight the injustice.
 
LafayetteBear said:
I love the fact that one of the combatants was riding in an electric shopping cart notwithstanding the fact that she was sufficiently able bodied to engage in fisticuffs.
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Yeah. The company/agency paying her the insurance benefits needs to see the video. That would be about the best thing that could come of this.
 
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demlion said:
Bad lawyers caused a fight in Walmart. good one.
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I honestly knew you'd go there. I know your tactics. When cornered, you make stuff up and try to muddy the water.

Conversation over.
 
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I love the fact that one of the combatants was riding in an electric shopping cart notwithstanding the fact that she was sufficiently able bodied to engage in fisticuffs.
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That was the first thing that I noticed, very funny. The next is that the other woman is wearing a YOLO shirt. Amusing as well.

I was surprised that there wasn't Walmart employees around to try to break them up and stop the damage of merchandise.
 
PSU95alum said:
I love you and all demlion, but..... really?!? Aside from wishing idiots would start recording video with their phones properly (landscape mode, not portrait), my only other wish is that someone would've taken that little brat over their knee and given him a few swats. Aside from that method of "intervention", do you think anyone intervening in this fight would change the course of this kid's or his mom's life? The kid is damaged goods just like his trash mother. Did you not see his reaction to people trying to intervene? "You don't tell me what to do!!!" As long as we as a country keep "supporting" this type of lifestyle, then I've got news for you...it's only going to keep getting worse. The idiocracy is running amuck.... and breeding like-minded offspring. In this type of situation, intervening will do no good and will only serve to bring grief upon the good samaritan, for as we all know, NO good deed goes unpunished.
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I think if someone would have grabbed the kid by the arm the mother would have stopped fighting. Although she most likely would have turned attention and tried to fight the person restraining the child and then sue them. Sad but true.
 
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