Sinking anymore money into Beaver Stadium is a total waste
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Here is a helpful hint for ya':
When people say to you "How dumb can you be?".....don't take it as a challenge.
Is it that dumb if your reducing capacity to consider removing a part of the structure that has already been identify to have structural issues? I am sure you are already aware that they had to spend money to address the cracks in the cement structure reinforcing it. It also only half filled for most games. My seats are in that deck and I love them. However if you were to remove seats and not spend the money to renovate a section of the stadium it would be a logical location. If you were to remove seats from the stadium where would you do so?Here is a helpful hint for ya':
When people say to you "How dumb can you be?".....don't take it as a challenge.
Maybe, but I think a lot of those graduates will never set foot on Main campus, they'll be doing all of their work at the branches or on-line. Then what? They will have no incentive to visit.
The largest source of revenue is still butts in the seats.
100,000 times an average of $65 per equals 6,500,000 times 7 games equals 45,500.000. Add in parking, concessions, suites, club seat licenses, step licenses and nittany lion club dues and donations.
My take on good stadium food... If i'm hungry inside the stadium, there's a chance I'll buy some food. If it's crap food like we have today, odds are I'll decided not to buy and will wait for better food after the game, either in the tailgating lots or on College Ave. If there is decent food in the stadium, odds are I'll just buy something at the game. Either way I accomplish my goal of eating and I'd probably spend a similar amount of money. PSU only makes money in one of those scenarios though.
The food isn't going to convince me to come to a game I wouldn't have come to anyway. But it is likely to result in PSU getting more money once I'm there.
True--but they have to do that in order to be able to afford have enough rooms in town for those nights. How many nights do hotels like that get even half occupied?? Arts fest, graduation, and football. That's about it.
Mind you, the cost is one reason we dropped our tickets. And I don't miss them that much.
You used to be forced to buy a round trip ticket to get a decent fare. At least once when I was in school, I bought a RT just for the one way flight and never showed for the other leg. Still the case to Europe, for example (at least they let you use frequent flyer miles one way).
I'm with you on this, but I'm not sure if everyone is. Good food costs more to make. But sometimes the demand is not enough to justify the price increase that is needed to cover the higher costs. For example, a burger joint near me had a great "pot roast" burger that cost something like $10. They got rid of it, because not enough people would pay that much for a burger, and if they had lowered the price, they would have lost their shirts. I'm not sure PSU would make more money with higher quality food.
Also, if they let you book the room for Saturday night only, then it becomes much harder to book Friday night. How many people want to check in on a Friday night and check out Saturday morning? I absolutely don't blame them.
This reminds me of a clip from All In The Family. Irene gets hired at the loading dock, where Archie works. Then she has an idea of how to make things work more efficiently there. It's from 12:48 to 13:14 in this video.
Improved concessions mean little then a little bit of extra revenue to serious fan like most on this board. I think you need to think about the casual fan experience. Those who are not satisfied paying $80 for a ticket to sit on a metal bleacher and eat a stale soft pretzel and a lousy burger. I know many people who I taken to games who simply didn't like it due to that. Having those little luxuries make their experience all that more enjoyable and more likely to return.
Yep - not to mention you'd still be expected to shell out boookooo $$$$$ for a shitsandwich OOC and ham-handed parking /seating / policies not to mention ingress-egress bungles
Fans have finally met the tipping-point and many, like myself, are finding out there are other things one can do with the money and the time vs diminishing returns of PSU gameday. They have mangled their golden- goose
Through the years I've taken friends to games. When I did, I was embarrassed by the quality of the food. Also, seating underneath the stands was extremely limited and we often had to juggle a hot dog and a coke as we ate. Of all the pro and college venues I have been to, I can honestly say the food at Beaver Stadium was among the worst in terms of quality and selection.
So......you build a new stadium - at a net revenue hit of $30 Million + per year......so that you can serve a f&cking Panini?
As opposed to - say - just a wild, crazy idea here.......maybe you spend $2 Million, one time, to upgrade the concession utilities in the existing f&cking stadium?
Tell me......when you don't like the CD playing in your car's audio system, do you go buy another f&cking car? Or do you buy a new CD?
GD boy......you do take it as a challenge, don't you?
Seriously, some of these posts are amazing. We might as well drop football. You have people who dropped tickets, for whatever reason and I'm not judging, and now they don't care if the program dies and they discourage everyone from getting tickets. And then some want a program on the level of OSU but they want bargain basement prices. Everyone stay home and watch the games on your great TVs. But don't expect to follow an elite program.
TV is without a doubt the #1 thing affecting attendance at ALL sporting events, not just PSU football at Beaver Stadium. It's a double-edged sword. On one hand schools, conferences and leagues are making more money than ever because of the enormous TV deals. On the other hand, because of the advancements in TV, cable, satellite and broadcast coverage, many fans across all sports are opting to stay at home and actually get a "better" experience in their home.
To us the them by the OP about our fathers and our grandfathers vs. today ......
I am 50. I grew up following PSU as early as the early 70's. I fell in love with PSU in the 72-73 period when I was just 7-8 years old and my Dad took me to my first PSU game at Beaver Stadium. I was hooked and became a fan. But back then MAYBE 1 or 2 Penn State regular season games were on TV. The Pitt game was always televised. Maybe a huge inter-sectional game was televised, maybe when one of our regular eastern independent rivals had a good year going it was televised. But back then I could not watch every single game on TV. I remember spending many Saturday afternoons with an ear glued to an AM-FM transistor radio listening to the PSU games..... Yes. 40 years ago, I was not watching PSU games on a 60" HD television with DVR playback capabilities. I was listening to PSU games on a transistor radio. If we wanted to actually see the game (other than the 1-2 scheduled for TV), we had to pack up the car and go to Beaver Stadium.
To us the them by the OP about our fathers and our grandfathers vs. today ......
I am 50. I grew up following PSU as early as the early 70's. I fell in love with PSU in the 72-73 period when I was just 7-8 years old and my Dad took me to my first PSU game at Beaver Stadium. I was hooked and became a fan. But back then MAYBE 1 or 2 Penn State regular season games were on TV. The Pitt game was always televised. Maybe a huge inter-sectional game was televised, maybe when one of our regular eastern independent rivals had a good year going it was televised. But back then I could not watch every single game on TV. I remember spending many Saturday afternoons with an ear glued to an AM-FM transistor radio listening to the PSU games..... Yes. 40 years ago, I was not watching PSU games on a 60" HD television with DVR playback capabilities. I was listening to PSU games on a transistor radio. If we wanted to actually see the game (other than the 1-2 scheduled for TV), we had to pack up the car and go to Beaver Stadium.
QUOTE="PSUPride1, post: 1636944, member: 3300"]Seriously, some of these posts are amazing. We might as well drop football. You have people who dropped tickets, for whatever reason and I'm not judging, and now they don't care if the program dies and they discourage everyone from getting tickets. And then some want a program on the level of OSU but they want bargain basement prices. Everyone stay home and watch the games on your great TVs. But don't expect to follow an elite program.[/QUOTE]
We haven't followed an elite program, for a long, long time. If you believe otherwise, you're delusional.
We haven't followed an elite program, for a long, long time. If you believe otherwise, you're delusional.
Agree with everything you said.
I'm kind of old school though and I don't go to football games for a "fine dining" experience so as long as the hot dog or hamburger is good I'm fine.
I would like to see a bottle of water under $2.00 though. LOL.
JMO but the only things they've done so far that have improved the game day experience, at least for me, is finally fixing that god awful sound system they had
and the new Score Boards are nice. Now if they would move all the advertisements off of them it would be even better.
The ribbon boards are a joke, sorry.
Like you said the luxury suites add revenue but they don't ANYTHING to the atmosphere.
I don't play on my phone while I'm at the game but I understand why the "service" needs to be improved.
I wouldn't mind them going to chair backs or at the very least widening the seats, even if it meant reducing the stadium size to 90,000 or so.
The last thing I've seen, although its not a huge issue in NEU, is getting to and from the concession stands/bathrooms at halftime.
And some family members had the audacity to have funerals on the same day as PSU football games. I did the same as you after 37 years of season tickets. It just was not worth the hassle and the cost anymore.I give you credit. I did the same thing for nearly 40 years. Regardless of conditions, opponent, or my financial situation, I was in my seats. I missed less than a half dozen games in all that time and those were because inconsiderate friends or family scheduled weddings on the day of the game. What the hell were they thinking?
Back then too I bought every college football magazine, clipped and saved Penn State football articles, bought 2 programs (one to save and one to trade), and on and on and on. I was loyal to a fault and so were nearly all the season ticket holders I knew. Then STEP came along. Perhaps you've heard of it.
Well.....that may sound good - and is a nice "sound bite" answer to the situation. Unfortunately, facts indicate "not".
Since 1997.....all but TWO of Penn State games have been on TV (something like 228 of the last 230 games)
Up until 2010, unsold seats were virtually non-existent (often times, a lot of asses didn't actually show up to fill those seats - especially during the dark years of 2000/01/03/04......but that is an entirely different issue)
Since 2010, Thousands (actually, on most Saturdays, 10s of Thousands) of seats are unsold.
It wasn't because in 2010 all of the games were suddenly being broadcast on TV.
Well MD and PItt were pretty good then and SU had their moments. Outside of Temple and Cincy, they were always bad, those weren't horrible schedules.
Agree. I felt the same after going to the PSU/MD game at M&T this past season. It was nice but ehhh.
+100. I'm in NEU and I love it up there. Frankly until they "stepped" all over it a few years ago there were far more people in the North Deck than
the South Deck.
I'll also be honest, one thing I don't like about the game day experience--almost anywhere now--is the security. It may be needed--but it makes me just that much more inclined to sit and watch at home. And when I do, I often find myself doing something else.
Really? because I don't think its a big deal and don't even notice it half the time.
Last years game where they searched everyone was a joke. INMO, it was just for show but was only mildly inconvenient.
One thing PSU ICA did for a long, long time.....was that they consistently did the "little things" well.
Whether it was parking, entry and exit from facilities, ushering, etc etc...it was all done well (even when there might have been some "bigger" issues that might have been debatable)
Over the last few years, the complete FUBARing of the little things - I don't want to go into the long laundry list, but it crosses over into all aspects, and certainly not with just the FOOTBALL gameday stuff - is very disheartening (but not unexpected).
Its all stuff that doesn't require "$10 Million dollar investments".....it just requires management that is not completely asleep at the wheel.
For folks here in the local area - who have been around for a while - a good analogy might be to look at "Uni-Mart vs Sheetz" on the convenience store market. Twenty, thirty years ago, Uni-Mart was the most prevalent player in this market - but they were ATROCIOUS at the little stuff in that business. Absolutely atrocious.
Sheetz came in, and provided some competition - and you could see from Day One they were an organization that was very attentive to the little things - - - - and since then, they have kicked Uni-Marts ass all over the region. If the folks at Uni-Mart had not been lazy, incompetent, greedy, inattentive.....that never would have happened.
It started under Uncle Fester, but has REALLY fallen off a cliff at warp speed since Tsunami took over. It really would be hard to believe that they even care - in fact, it is easier to believe they are totally oblivious to - their consistent FUBARs on all the little stuff.
EVERY organization needs leadership. And when you are led by a lazy, incompetent, bureaucratic, diva, dipshit (I AM trying to be kind) this is what you get.
PSU ICA used to be Sheetz (and they consistently were able to overcome the competition - games on TV, or whatever)......now they are Uni-Mart (and those same competitors are now kicking their ass).
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How affordable/accessible were large HDTVs in 2010? Honest question - they're dirt cheap now and look great.
We have regular metal detectors etc. at Blue Jackets games and Reds games now (closest big league to us. What makes it a pain is having to take all of your keys, change, wallet, etc out of your pockets with nowhere to put them.
It's a little thing, in many ways, but as those add up, it becomes easier to stay home. I think we'll be seeing more of that; culturally, as time goes on.
Agree as well. I've been to plenty of games at modern facilities and the lines for the bathroom are still really long and the food is over priced and tastes pretty crappy and the tailgating is usually worse than at the Beav. With the exception of a more roomy seat, the modern stadium experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. In fact, with the exception of one or maybe two games a season, I've got more room to spread out right now in my section at the Beav than I would if they put individual seats in.
I started parking out by the old Mall on Rolling Ridge Drive and taking the shuttle bus in about 10 years ago. Its a breeze.
I say that because I hear a lot of complaining about getting into the lots and out of the lots, even on lesser attended games.
From the people that sit around me it sounds like its always the first time these guys have ever directed traffic and it continues throughout the season.
So I think I understand what you are saying.
Oh Ok, I thought you were just talking about PSU games. Yea I can see where that would be a PIA.
With the Beav, it's more the 6+ hour drive from Columbus and the high priced hotels. Right now, we have no plans to attend a game for the first time (for me) since, I think, 1983.
