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So let me get this straight. For those of you who believe the allegations against Joe Paterno.

Or if Joe was so hell bent on protecting the football program, why didn't he personally negotiate and pay out the settlements? What would Joe Paterno have to gain by forcing "victims" to forfeit their right to sue The Second Mile?

Why is the former chair of The Second Mile settling on PSUs behalf and forcing every victim to forfeit their right to sue The Second Mile?

Surely there's an answer to this and it's not "I don't have time for this, here Ira, you make it go away."

Sorry to be uninformed but is it really true that part of the negotiated payout requires victims to forfeit the right to sue the Second Mile?
 
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Since when is Bernstein in a position of authority? He is just giving his opinion. "It wasn't his place"? Who's place was it? You can't
seriously believe that if Paterno would have asked Curley what he was doing about the Sandusky situation since he had not been contacted
by the police nor heard of any investigation that he would have been in big trouble. Paterno obviously knew nothing was being done and therein
lies part of his reputation problem.

Bernstein isn't in a position of authority. Neither are any of the media hacks that routinely crucify Paterno. But that doesn't stop them from their false narrative and swaying public opinion against PSU.
 
I feel that what you are obligated to do by law, pales in comparison to what your moral standards implore you to do.
"Render unto Caesar "

Maybe you should look at it from the angle of what someone is qualified to do vs moral standards. Joe would have failed morally to say nothing at all and say to Mike "don't you ever tell anyone of this ever. You didn't see what you saw, capeesh?"

But that's far from what happened here.

Your neighbor knocks on your door and says his other neighbor is beating his kids. What do you do?

Do you trust your neighbor so much to take him at his word and call police? Would the police take a report from someone who didn't see or hear anything?

Would you question why your neighbor would bring this to you instead of calling the police?

Now don't go into deep thought thinking of what you would do in hindsight. If you didn't know how to answer any of the above questions immediately then my point has been made.
 
about 4 names come to mind and to me, based on their tireless efforts, all seem to be experts in this. Who are you referring to specifically?

I believe Tom is referring to Colt21 but I could be mixing the names up.

This subject is tough for me to address considering the personal experiences I have with such matters. But for me I don't care if the guy is my best friend, I couldn't sleep at night knowing or wondering if such accusations were true or not. I would address it quickly without hesitation. No mercy for the lowest scum of the earth. I don't think that was the case with Joe Pa. JMO

We know that both Joe and Tim Curley followed up with MM (the one and only witness) and MM never expressed dissatisfaction or said MORE needed to be done, etc....with that in mind, if the one and only witness is satisfied and not causing a big stink about how his report of suspicious activity was handled, why would Joe/admins think otherwise? They were taking their cues from MM, the one and only witness (who never even felt strong enough about what MAY have been happening that night to file a written statement with UPPD so an investigation could be started).
 
I am curious to read what "those in the know" say should be done when these circumstances arise.

I believe Tom is referring to Colt21 but I could be mixing the names up.

WildTurk, WeR0206 got it right. You can search Colt21's postings to read the analysis of an expert on what should have been done. I'll leave you to do this, but will give you one link to a post from Colt21 from last month. You can read it at THIS LINK.
 
You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?


Yeah that's what we need around here some good old fashioned, well vented, anger directed at the aforementioned and appropriate antagonists!

Everyone else.......do what he does and keep doing it.

I was getting worried this board was turning into a bunch of pansies.
 
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I actually spoke with a guy today who said he knew something was going on with Sandusky/Paterno because at Sandusky's retirement dinner Joe only said a few words and then left....DUDE....from what I understand JVP did not even attend the dinner....please correct me if I am wrong....
 
I actually spoke with a guy today who said he knew something was going on with Sandusky/Paterno because at Sandusky's retirement dinner Joe only said a few words and then left....DUDE....from what I understand JVP did not even attend the dinner....please correct me if I am wrong....

Even if he did attend, this type of behavior would certainly support the well know theory that Joe did not like JS...but it's not as much fun for the haters.
 
NCAA guidelines are to report it and get out of the way. Joe knew Curley and Schultz were on it. As he said, they have always been good men. Joe did follow up with MM who said everything was fine. These are facts.

Your opinion is that all he had to do was report it and "get out of the way". But we aren't talking about fudging an expense account or illegal parking.
We are talking about a child molester. And most of the country doesn't think that "getting out of the way" when you know nothing has been done is
acceptable for someone of Paterno's stature.
 
Your opinion is that all he had to do was report it and "get out of the way". But we aren't talking about fudging an expense account or illegal parking.
We are talking about a child molester. And most of the country doesn't think that "getting out of the way" when you know nothing has been done is
acceptable for someone of Paterno's stature.

Paterno didn't know he was a child molestor, so your post is moot.
 
John Zeigler said all along that nothing made sense about the involvement of Paterno from day 1; yet many Penn State people could not stand the guy and his approach to uncovering the truth. JZ was the only one in the media, and only one with connections to the media, who tried to right this ship. But was still shunned by so many. lol Give me a break. Now people are reaping what they've sowed.

Well, maybe if more people would have listened to him and backed him, Penn State people wouldn't find themselves in this horrendous situation almost 5 years later. Now, anyone can say any preposterous statement about Paterno, a dead man, and most everyone will believe them. Penn State people and the Paterno family became their own worst enemy by not sticking together to fight this absurdity. Penn State people's hate for JZ, a man who has fought this bogus narrative, never really made a lot of sense to me.
 
You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?
Bplion, I'm responding directly to your original post only.

A mature, intelligent person understands that the world is not black and white, people are not all good or all bad; the world and its people are all shades of gray. We can believe someone guilty of a crime, even a murder, without thinking they are pure evil. Many people go through life as positive contributors to the world and the people around them, and also cheat on their spouses, or embezzle money, or even kill someone in passion or desperation.

Its possible for someone to believe allegations against someone without thinking them to be a dispicable person. Someone's mistake, crime, or bad deed does not make them an evil person, nor does it negate all that they have done right in their life.

At the same time, someone's life of good deeds does not mean that some allegations against that person must be false. To think that way, is to have a pure black and white view of life and people.
 
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Bplion, I'm responding directly to your original post only.

A mature, intelligent person understands that the world is not black and white, people are not all good or all bad; the world and its people are all shades of gray. We can believe someone guilty of a crime, even a murder, without thinking they are pure evil. Many people go through life as positive contributors to the world and the people around them, and also cheat on their spouses, or embezzle money, or even kill someone in passion or desperation.

Its possible for someone to believe allegations against someone without thinking them to be a dispicable person. Someone's mistake, crime, or bad deed does not make them an evil person, nor does it negate all that they have done right in their life.

At the same time, someone's life of good deeds does not mean that some allegations against that person must be false. To think that way, is to have a pure black and white view of life and people.

This doesn't answer his question.
 
Excellent point. As someone who doesn't follow football I am stunned at the mental gymnastics fans at other schools and sports writers are doing to make this narrative fit.

When any parent of any teenager can tell you otherwise.

So if Joe can tell some kid to buzz off - he had a football season to prepare for, why didn't he do the same for Adam T?

Adam - buzz off - I have a football season to prepare for.

Honestly - common sense is so lost, and as a female it offends me. Because the same rules apply to us and our daughters as far as the grooming, the mental manipulation and mind games, the covert sexual harassment, the personal private sexual assault, and by these arguments we women should be able to sniff out our sexual offenders JUST.LIKE.THAT.

So how's that working for us?

I am reminded of that post-game interview when Joe choked up telling Adam that he and everyone else was thinking of him. This was a week after Adam's injury and Adam was in the hospital with an uncertain future.

I am reminded of Joe wiping tears from his eyes as he met THON children in 2009.

Joe was a gem. He deserves much better.
 
I actually spoke with a guy today who said he knew something was going on with Sandusky/Paterno because at Sandusky's retirement dinner Joe only said a few words and then left....DUDE....from what I understand JVP did not even attend the dinner....please correct me if I am wrong....
Actually, Paterno was there for all of a couple of minutes. He made a 2 minute long speech and then excused himself because he had other matters to attend to, etc. Many of us (must have been several hundred) that attended the dinner in Bryce Jordan Center were surprised and didn't understand what had just transpired. It became obvious that night that Joe and Jerry were anything but friends. A friend would never have brushed off the retirement dinner the way that Joe did.
 
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Just because I don't 100% agree with all the Paterno backers doesn't mean anything really. I think he could have handled the situation much differently/swiftly than he did. That's what I think he did wrong. Just one man's opinion. No disrespect

How nice to have this perspective after the fact and without any firm grasp on the surrounding circumstances. After this broke in 2011 we learned that everyone in America knew exactly how they would have acted.
 
Actually, Paterno was there for all of a couple of minutes. He made a 2 minute long speech and then excused himself because he had other matters to attend to, etc. Many of us (must have been several hundred) that attended the dinner in Bryce Jordan Center were surprised and didn't understand what had just transpired. It became obvious that night that Joe and Jerry were anything but friends. A friend would never have brushed off the retirement dinner the way that Joe did.

Ew, how could you ever wash yourself clean of attending his retirement dinner? Knowing what I know now I think I'd have a lifetime case of the heebie geebies.
 
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You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

Here's a much simpler question for the haters. Assume that you're correct that Joe knew that JS was a pedophile (back in the 70s) and that he didn't want the information to get out in public and tarnish PSU's reputation. Why wouldn't Joe have fired JS just to make sure that he didn't keep doing this? Wouldn't that be the logical thing to do if you were covering things up? Why take the risk (for 4 decades)?
 
Ew, how could you ever wash yourself clean of attending his retirement dinner? Knowing what I know now I think I'd have a lifetime case of the heebie geebies.
At the time, Sandusky was considered to be "one of the truly good guys" as the result of his work with the Second Mile. In fact, it is easy to forget that the organization actually did a lot of really good work which resulted in many success stories for troubled kids. Obviously as the result of everything that has transpired the legacy of the organization will be forever destroyed! In response to your statement.... In "hindsight" ....a lifetime case of the "heebie geebies" might just be in order!
 
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