So what would you think if the Captain

[TiredOldLion]

ordered everyone off the plane, then boarded the four crew and got outa Dodge?
One person choose to put everyone else on the plane at risk of making their flight. He got chosen to be removed and was no better than the three who got off when they were chosen. Sorry about his luck but one plane load of folks going to Louisville and one planeload going out from Louisville were at risk because of his childish behavior. If it was his time and his bad luck he needed to suck it up and be an adult.
My opinion only.
The cops could have done better but his actions were just as responsible.

 

[interrobang]

So if you bought a ticket, boarded the plane, were all set and ready to go, then the FA said "hey you have to get off the plane, we have people who need to fly for free" you'd be OK with it?

I doubt it.

 

[sluggo72]

So if you bought a ticket, boarded the plane, were all set and ready to go, then the FA said "hey you have to get off the plane, we have people who need to fly for free" you'd be OK with it?

I doubt it.

hey it would depend. Now if I was a MD and had a pill mill to run on a busy Monday, no way I would get off!!!! $1000, please I make that an hour in KY selling Oxy!!!

 

[lionlurker]

And here I thought you were talking about that crazy Captain guy on the Lair.

 

[medixman]

I also thought the Captain came out with a new list of PSU people that were arrested and my son was on that list!

 

[KnightSlayer]

ordered everyone off the plane, then boarded the four crew and got outa Dodge?
One person choose to put everyone else on the plane at risk of making their flight. He got chosen to be removed and was no better than the three who got off when they were chosen. Sorry about his luck but one plane load of folks going to Louisville and one planeload going out from Louisville were at risk because of his childish behavior. If it was his time and his bad luck he needed to suck it up and be an adult.
My opinion only.
The cops could have done better but his actions were just as responsible.

And if it caused you to miss Penn State in the national championship?

 

[nittany119]

And here I thought you were talking about that crazy Captain guy on the Lair.

I thought it was gonna be about Captain Lou, or minimally Derek Jeter

 

[psuro]

ordered everyone off the plane, then boarded the four crew and got outa Dodge?
One person choose to put everyone else on the plane at risk of making their flight. He got chosen to be removed and was no better than the three who got off when they were chosen. Sorry about his luck but one plane load of folks going to Louisville and one planeload going out from Louisville were at risk because of his childish behavior. If it was his time and his bad luck he needed to suck it up and be an adult.
My opinion only.
The cops could have done better but his actions were just as responsible.

Bozo.

 

[TiredOldLion]

So if you bought a ticket, boarded the plane, were all set and ready to go, then the FA said "hey you have to get off the plane, we have people who need to fly for free" you'd be OK with it?

I doubt it.

No. I was taught personal responsibility by my parents that went thru the Depression and WW2.
Sorry that I'm not all about me and I think of others in the scope of life but I guess I'd be upset but accept the real world. You be whatever you want to be.

 

[jim cummings]

And if it caused you to miss Penn State in the national championship?

That would give me cause to flip shit.

There are people who actually book tickets on flights that are routinely full and/or overbooked. They show up at the airport with no bags and are the first ones in line when the airline asks for volunteers. They get their $800 vouchers and go home.

I'm someone who savors every moment I'm away from home. If I got bumped, I'd take the money and the hotel room and explore the city im trapped in.

Then again, most people aren't wired like I am. But hey, I got bumped from a flight. If I were someone's employee they couldn't fire me so I wouldn't care.

The dude was kicking and screaming like a little girl. I've never seen anyone act like that.

 

[lein]

And if it caused you to miss Penn State in the national championship?

not to worry, the airline will give you a voucher that only gives an availability window that allows you to attend the Rutgers spring game. Fair?

 

[Phil's Rug]

 

[jim cummings]

 

[Phil's Rug]

 

[Shiniquiet]

What do you suppose would have happened if it had been announced over the PA that unless the man identified removed himself from the plane the flight would be cancelled?

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

No. I was taught personal responsibility by my parents that went thru the Depression and WW2.
Sorry that I'm not all about me and I think of others in the scope of life but I guess I'd be upset but accept the real world. You be whatever you want to be.

I just don't see a moral high ground with this one. I think there's something to be said for selflessness, but I also believe that big corporations are often not held accountable in regards to their treatment of the little guy (aka their customers). Personal responsibility is a virtue, but what about professional responsibility of the airline? Did they meet their high standard?

Also, we don't know the guy's story/background...what kind of day he had...what other stressors he was experiencing. Being asked to get off the plane may have been the straw that broke his proverbial camel's back.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Thought this was gonna be about The Captain and Tennille.....damn.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

did someone say Captain?

 

[PSU_Gator]

I have seen this happen before, but the people never boarded the plane. They were identified and given stand-by tickets prior to boarding, just in case someone didn't show up. Once I board, I have a certain expectation of going with the plane if it takes off. Of course, a couple of Woodfords and a nice voucher could have swayed me.

 

[Lions8286]

So if you bought a ticket, boarded the plane, were all set and ready to go, then the FA said "hey you have to get off the plane, we have people who need to fly for free" you'd be OK with it?

I doubt it.

You have to admit there is a pretty big difference between not being OK with it vs putting the airline and/or security personnel in a position to forcibly drag you off the plane.

I fly quite often and I know how I, as a passenger, would handle something like that. Almost every trip I witness hundreds if not thousands of flyers being inconvenienced. A few throw tantrums like little babies, but most take it in stride. This guy chose to be a jerk in response to a poorly handled process by United. Both lost.

 

[BBrown]

I just don't see a moral high ground with this one. I think there's something to be said for selflessness, but I also believe that big corporations are often not held accountable in regards to their treatment of the little guy (aka their customers). Personal responsibility is a virtue, but what about professional responsibility of the airline? Did they meet their high standard?

Also, we don't know the guy's story/background...what kind of day he had...what other stressors he was experiencing. Being asked to get off the plane may have been the straw that broke his proverbial camel's back.

Yea but you really can't use the "Falling Down" excuse as a defense....as much as you or I may want to.

 

[demlion]

ordered everyone off the plane, then boarded the four crew and got outa Dodge?
One person choose to put everyone else on the plane at risk of making their flight. He got chosen to be removed and was no better than the three who got off when they were chosen. Sorry about his luck but one plane load of folks going to Louisville and one planeload going out from Louisville were at risk because of his childish behavior. If it was his time and his bad luck he needed to suck it up and be an adult.
My opinion only.
The cops could have done better but his actions were just as responsible.

I would think the exact same thing I think now--United is running a hospitality business, and they are properly being skewered for being inhospitable. This was essentially a civil dispute. Why did the cops have any role whatsoever? Dao owned a ticket. United wanted to buy a ticket, but no one was interested in selling, so they picked Dao (probably using some algorithm that rewarded regular passengers over people like Dao) and got the police to enforce their arbitrary abrogation of the contract.

So, If I want to buy my tickets on United for a certain price, and the ticket seller won't give me that price, will the cops come to enforce my price preferences? Maybe lay a beating on the ticket seller? Will they shut down the airline?

If the entire flight were cancelled, that is United's fault as well. THEY changed the deal at the last minute, not the passengers! I shudder to think what a nation of sheep we have become.

 

[demlion]

BTW, they were not security personnel, as I understand it they were Chicago Airport officers, that is, taxpayer paid cops who are there for EVERYONE'S protection, not to make United's dreams come true. If they were cops, until he did something which violated a criminal law, they had no business on that plane.

 

[nitanee123]

I flew on Delta one holiday from Charlotte to Vegas and had to change planes in Atlanta. My flight from Charlotte was delayed almost 2 hours. ATL's airport is massive and I had to take a tram to the next terminal to catch my connecting flight. I was cutting it really close for my next flight so when I got off the plane, I asked the guy at the counter if he could call the counter for my next flight to let them know I just got off and I'm going to be sprinting to make the flight. He wouldn't do it. So I ran to the tram then to the gate (took about 10 minutes) to find out that they had just closed the door. I told the guy at the ticket counter that I am booked for the flight but I just arrived late. He looks down at this terminal and continues doing whatever he was doing before I arrived and said "You shouldn't have been late." I wanted to deck this arrogant SOB. I said that his airline should have got me here on time but I knew I was wasting my breath. They put me up at a hotel in a seedy part of town. I blocked the door with a dresser, checked for bed bugs, slept about 4 hours then got up for the earliest flight out the next day.

This was about 7 years ago and I will avoid Delta if at all possible. That goes for my wife, my kids and anybody else for whom I have purchased tickets (mother, mother-in-law).

 

[psuro]

So, I have been wondering why I have seen increased internet ad traffic for NetJets since Monday. Now, it just seems so obvious.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Yea but you really can't use the "Falling Down" excuse as a defense....as much as you or I may want to.

You're right, it's not an excuse. My point is that his behavior may not be typical for him...or maybe it is. Could be he just had the shittiest of shitty days. If this is an isolated behavior (and moreover because we don't know if it is), then it would be difficult to pin the "me first" label on him.

 

[olelion]

And here I thought you were talking about that crazy Captain guy on the Lair.

LINK!

 

[BBrown]

You're right, it's not an excuse. My point is that his behavior may not be typical for him...or maybe it is. Could be he just had the shittiest of shitty days. If this is an isolated behavior (and moreover because we don't know if it is), then it would be difficult to pin the "me first" label on him.

Well your post mostly gave me a chance to gif one of my favorite movies.
The scene in the convenience store where he just wants change to make a call is classic and sometimes
I'd like to do the same thing. LOL.
As for the whole United incident. The only thing about the passenger that I have "issues" with is his
I'm a Dr. line. INMO that is classic "me first".
*Oh and if he truely did run back on the second time but I'm not sure that was true.
Here's my blame assignment sequence.
1.) United for allowing this to go FUBAR.
2.) Security for just being...well NAZI'S
3.)* Passenger (and this is only if the running back on the plane part is true).

 

[LafayetteBear]

Here's my blame assignment sequence.
1.) United for allowing this to go FUBAR.
2.) Security for just being...well NAZI'S
3.)* Passenger (and this is only if the running back on the plane part is true).

I like this list. If only the passenger had been a little more creative upon his return to the plane. He had to know he was being filmed. How about "I'm baaaaack!" Or "Here's Johnny!"

 

[voltz99]

ordered everyone off the plane, then boarded the four crew and got outa Dodge?
One person choose to put everyone else on the plane at risk of making their flight. He got chosen to be removed and was no better than the three who got off when they were chosen. Sorry about his luck but one plane load of folks going to Louisville and one planeload going out from Louisville were at risk because of his childish behavior. If it was his time and his bad luck he needed to suck it up and be an adult.
My opinion only.
The cops could have done better but his actions were just as responsible.

I would have no problem with it but I would re-board everyone except the last 4 people.

United F'ed up by letting the doctor get on board. It was dumb letting people board and then asking them to get off. They should have simply canceled the boarding pass for the last 4 people to show up at the ticket counter. Problem solved. They get the next flight.

 

[sluggo72]

I flew on Delta one holiday from Charlotte to Vegas and had to change planes in Atlanta. My flight from Charlotte was delayed almost 2 hours. ATL's airport is massive and I had to take a tram to the next terminal to catch my connecting flight. I was cutting it really close for my next flight so when I got off the plane, I asked the guy at the counter if he could call the counter for my next flight to let them know I just got off and I'm going to be sprinting to make the flight. He wouldn't do it. So I ran to the tram then to the gate (took about 10 minutes) to find out that they had just closed the door. I told the guy at the ticket counter that I am booked for the flight but I just arrived late. He looks down at this terminal and continues doing whatever he was doing before I arrived and said "You shouldn't have been late." I wanted to deck this arrogant SOB. I said that his airline should have got me here on time but I knew I was wasting my breath. They put me up at a hotel in a seedy part of town. I blocked the door with a dresser, checked for bed bugs, slept about 4 hours then got up for the earliest flight out the next day.

This was about 7 years ago and I will avoid Delta if at all possible. That goes for my wife, my kids and anybody else for whom I have purchased tickets (mother, mother-in-law).

I feel for you on this! Them and that GD door!!

 

[bxle]

In his day, Bob Keeshan could handle this business (maybe with Mr Green Jeans as backup muscle).