So - You are OSU, and you beat UM...

[flavorguy]

not a huge win, but a 3, 7, 10 point win...

Think about the PSU vs MSU game... do you want PSU to win?

At first thought, you might think - OSU wants PSU to lose... OSU wins the BIG East and goes onto play Wisconsin (Nebraska) in the BIG Championship game... but if they lose this game, they're knocked out of the Championship playoff...

Or, does OSU want PSU to win? If PSU wins, PSU goes to the BIG Championship game. This takes pressure off of OSU to play in an extra game (and potentially lose).... OSU appears to be a committee lock. They stay at #2. OSU gains the extra practice time for the Championship, plays one less game, and basically has "no-risk" going into the weekend of December 2nd...

So - If OSU wins Saturday - are they rooting for PSU or MSU?

 

[Marylovesthelions]

IMHO if you win the championship of the best NCAA football league and hear OSU head to head, they can not and will not keep you out of the playoff. End of story.

 

[BisonLion15]

For tOSU: If I'm a competitive player, I'm rooting for PSU to lose. If I'm a fan, probably PSU to win.
This is an interesting question though. It depends on so many external factors.

 

[flavorguy]

IMHO if you win the championship of the best NCAA football league and hear OSU head to head, they can not and will not keep you out of the playoff. End of story.

Think of it this way... again assuming OSU beat UM on Saturday...OSU has nothing to gain if they are "forced" into the BIG Championship game... the only thing that could knock OSU out of the National playoff is if OSU "backed into" the BIG championship game and then proceed to lose....

So, if I'm OSU, I'm rooting for PSU to win... it virtually locks OSU into the Championship and prevents them the risk of dropping out of the Championship by having to play (and win) an extra game...

 

[PSUMATT85]

not a huge win, but a 3, 7, 10 point win...

Think about the PSU vs MSU game... do you want PSU to win?

At first thought, you might think - OSU wants PSU to lose... OSU wins the BIG East and goes onto play Wisconsin (Nebraska) in the BIG Championship game... but if they lose this game, they're knocked out of the Championship playoff...

Or, does OSU want PSU to win? If PSU wins, PSU goes to the BIG Championship game. This takes pressure off of OSU to play in an extra game (and potentially lose).... OSU appears to be a committee lock. They stay at #2. OSU gains the extra practice time for the Championship, plays one less game, and basically has "no-risk" going into the weekend of December 2nd...

So - If OSU wins Saturday - are they rooting for PSU or MSU?

You want msu. Even if it is 10%risk, you'd rather play for the sure thing and the big ten title

 

[johnmpsu]

not a huge win, but a 3, 7, 10 point win...

Think about the PSU vs MSU game... do you want PSU to win?

At first thought, you might think - OSU wants PSU to lose... OSU wins the BIG East and goes onto play Wisconsin (Nebraska) in the BIG Championship game... but if they lose this game, they're knocked out of the Championship playoff...

Or, does OSU want PSU to win? If PSU wins, PSU goes to the BIG Championship game. This takes pressure off of OSU to play in an extra game (and potentially lose).... OSU appears to be a committee lock. They stay at #2. OSU gains the extra practice time for the Championship, plays one less game, and basically has "no-risk" going into the weekend of December 2nd...

So - If OSU wins Saturday - are they rooting for PSU or MSU?

No such thing as a lock. My prediction is, no conference championship, no playoff so OSU will be rooting for MSU. There will be only conference winners in the CFP.

 

[Cpeplion]

No such thing as a lock. My prediction is, no conference championship, no playoff so OSU will be rooting for MSU. There will be only conference winners in the CFP.

Idk man because if an unranked Va Tech can beat Clemson, same Tech team that throttled Pitt the team that beat Clemson, you'd have an unranked Conference champ. ACC would be out

Then you could have Washington State still win the PAC.

Hard to argue OSU wouldn't belong.

 

[johnmpsu]

Idk man because if an unranked Va Tech can beat Clemson, same Tech team that throttled Pitt the team that beat Clemson, you'd have an unranked Conference champ. ACC would be out

Then you could have Washington State still win the PAC.

Hard to argue OSU wouldn't belong.

True but my attitude is that if the 4 best conference WINNERS advance than the entire season is part of the playoff. Winning should matter. No lucky losers allowed.

 

[fairgambit]

IMHO if you win the championship of the best NCAA football league and hear OSU head to head, they can not and will not keep you out of the playoff. End of story.

Ah Mary. That may be true for most schools, but we are damaged goods. If Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Washington win out, and we also win out, we will be out. I am as sure of this as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.

 

[psugisher]

OSU should be rooting for us.. they're a sure thing to the playoff.. or so they say. I don't know.. I'd want the sure opportunity of playing my way into the playoff. I'd hate to be sitting at home watching Bame win by 50, Clemson win by 70, Washington winning by 35 and PSU winning by 3 tds winning conference championships and hearing all about how those 4 were playing their best football when it matters most while sitting at home counting on a committee to disregard those championship game results and remember OSU's big win at Oklahoma in September.

 

[LafayetteBear]

I think tOSU should be rooting a whole lot harder for Wazzu to beat UW than for PSU to beat MSU. A UW loss likely clears the way for two B1G teams to make the Final Four (assuming tOSU and PSU win out). Who's to say that the Committee doesn't change its mind about tOSU and drop them to No. 5 in the final vote, like they did to TCU a couple of years ago. If I'm tOSU and I don't have a conference championship to bring to the table, I want my closest competition to lose. That could be either PSU or UW.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

Ah Mary. That may be true for most schools, but we are damaged goods. If Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Washington win out, and we also win out, we will be out. I am as sure of this as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.

If so, does Franklin have the balls to yell bullspit on yet another screw job against the Lions? The Freeh report, a BOT crime, an Emmert screw job and then this. Mute point if we do not win out but now the Lions are playing better ball than MSU or Wisconsin. They we one dimensional b

 

[JR4PSU]

Ah Mary. That may be true for most schools, but we are damaged goods. If Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Washington win out, and we also win out, we will be out. I am as sure of this as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.

I don't think that is as black and white as you state. We play the #6 team for our championship. Clemson will be playing an unranked team and Washington will likely be playing a team ranked around #20 or so. If we win soundly and Clemson just squeaks by, I think they fall behind us.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

I have heard quite a few people say that if you do not win your conference championship, you do not deserve to be in the final four. It would never make sense to elevate a team over their conference champion. That would be nonsense. Sorry Buckeyes but you would not be in the final four if we both win out. By definition, the champion is the best team in the league, if not, drop the championship game.

 

[bdgan]

OSU might want to win the B1G title. The only way they can do that is to win 2 more conference games.

 

[fairgambit]

I don't think that is as black and white as you state. We play the #6 team for our championship. Clemson will be playing an unranked team and Washington will likely be playing a team ranked around #20 or so. If we win soundly and Clemson just squeaks by, I think they fall behind us.

I agree it is not black and white. It is blue and white. It is because our BOT made us into pariahs. It is because the NCAA had to restore our (and Joe's) wins. It is because if we are kept out it will serve notice to the unwashed masses that our punishment is not quite over yet. This is not about fairness. It is about retribution. We will not get in unless there is no other choice (Washington and Clemson both lose).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Think of it this way... again assuming OSU beat UM on Saturday...OSU has nothing to gain if they are "forced" into the BIG Championship game... the only thing that could knock OSU out of the National playoff is if OSU "backed into" the BIG championship game and then proceed to lose....

So, if I'm OSU, I'm rooting for PSU to win... it virtually locks OSU into the Championship and prevents them the risk of dropping out of the Championship by having to play (and win) an extra game...

Absolutely FACTUALLY INCORRECT, a TCU team with an identical 11-1 record, which went into "Championship Week" and the "Final" edition of the Selection Committee's 2014 CFB Playoff Rankings solidly in the Top 4 teams of that ranking (i.e., had been there for several weeks) was dropped 3 Ranking Positions and well outside the Top 4 (#6) in the "Final 2014 CFB Playoff Ranking" released directly after the playing of the Conference Championship Games BECAUSE they did not have a Conference Championship to their credit - an IDENTICAL situation to what daO$U would face going into the "Final Rankings" released after CCGs are played this year under the scenario outlined.

Actual FACTUAL OBJECTIVE HISTORY - not your anti-factual bull$hit SUBJECTIVE rhetoric and "spin" - strongly suggests that daO$U would face a VERY STRONG probability of being demoted within the Top 4 in the "Final 2016 CFB Playoff Ranking" for being the only team in the Top 4 who did not possess a Conference Championship (or even a "Division Championship" - i.e., did not even participate in B1G Championship Game) after the completion of "Championship Week" and CCG. As the Selection Committee demonstrated in 2014, credit for a Conference Championship cannot be conferred until it is actually won, but also significant demotion for failure to have such accomplishments on your resume is not administered until the Final Edition of the CFB Playoff Rankings release AFTER the Conference Championships Games have all been played.

The other piece of strong factual historical information that strongly suggests the Selection Committee may ding daO$U in the Final Rankings for not having "Championship Credentials" of any kind is the fact that the Selection Committee has NEVER produced a Final Top 4 Ranking that included a team without a Conference Championship to its name and again, explicitly and tangibly decided to drop a team 3 spots well outside the Top 4 on the ONLY OCCASSION to-date where they faced such a situation (i.e., team ranked solidly in Top 4 prior to Final Rankings release the week before "Championship Week" despite not being Conference Champion and not playing in CCG) - TCU in 2014. Also note that in the Final Edition of the Selection Committee's 2014 CFB Playoff Rankings, the Selection Committee dropped TCU BEHIND Baylor (#5 in Final 2014 CFB Playoff Rankings) to #6, after being #3 in prior weeks poll, BECAUSE Baylor was Crowned the B12 Champs due to both Baylor and TCU having same record, but Baylor winning head-to-head tiebreaker for the Conference Championship and hosted the Cotton Bowl as the B12 Champions where #5 Baylor played #8 Michigan State (#6 TCU ended up being selected by Peach Bowl).

 

[TiredOldLion]

Okay, the NCAA basketball tournament has had winners that didn't win a conference Championship.
So football is a special case but may the best team win or be chosen in this case.
I hope not but a PSU or Wisconsin champ may not be in the four. Not saying they wouldn't be one of them but it's a big country and decisions to put two in the tourney would be hard to see.

 

[flavorguy]

....

Actual FACTUAL OBJECTIVE HISTORY - not your anti-factual bull$hit SUBJECTIVE rhetoric and "spin" - strongly suggests that daO$U would face a VERY STRONG probability of being demoted within the Top 4 in the "Final 2016 CFB Playoff Ranking" for being the only team in the Top 4 who did not possess a Conference Championship (or even a "Division Championship" - i.e., did not even participate in B1G Championship Game) after the completion of "Championship Week" and CCG. As the Selection Committee demonstrated in 2014, credit for a Conference Championship cannot be conferred until it is actually won, but also significant demotion for failure to have such accomplishments on your resume is not administered until the Final Edition of the CFB Playoff Rankings release AFTER the Conference Championships Games have all been played.
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Hey Sparky... relax... just trying to engage in a conversation from a perspective that I found interesting... no anti-factual bull$hit SUBJECTIVE rhetoric intended...

 

[JR4PSU]

I agree it is not black and white. It is blue and white. It is because our BOT made us into pariahs. It is because the NCAA had to restore our (and Joe's) wins. It is because if we are kept out it will serve notice to the unwashed masses that our punishment is not quite over yet. This is not about fairness. It is about retribution. We will not get in unless there is no other choice (Washington and Clemson both lose).

That's an inferiority complex speaking. A victim's mentality. I very seriously doubt that the CFP committee will take the issues you state into account at all. The CFP committee has no skin in the game wrt the NCAA sanctions or anything else surrounding the Sandusky issue. They've already been ranking us higher than either the AP or Coaches polls.

 

[ga.lion]

not a huge win, but a 3, 7, 10 point win...

Think about the PSU vs MSU game... do you want PSU to win?

At first thought, you might think - OSU wants PSU to lose... OSU wins the BIG East and goes onto play Wisconsin (Nebraska) in the BIG Championship game... but if they lose this game, they're knocked out of the Championship playoff...

Or, does OSU want PSU to win? If PSU wins, PSU goes to the BIG Championship game. This takes pressure off of OSU to play in an extra game (and potentially lose).... OSU appears to be a committee lock. They stay at #2. OSU gains the extra practice time for the Championship, plays one less game, and basically has "no-risk" going into the weekend of December 2nd...

So - If OSU wins Saturday - are they rooting for PSU or MSU?

I don't think Urban and his staff wants us to win the East with a chance to control our destiny. Still a chance they could get left out of the final 4
to the Big 10 Champ. I'm sure they prefer a scenario where they win the Big Ten.

 

[fairgambit]

That's an inferiority complex speaking. A victim's mentality. I very seriously doubt that the CFP committee will take the issues you state into account at all. The CFP committee has no skin in the game wrt the NCAA sanctions or anything else surrounding the Sandusky issue. They've already been ranking us higher than either the AP or Coaches polls.

We just disagree. I have no inferiority complex. I have a reality complex, and it tells me we would be left out. I hope I am wrong. Let's beat MSU and Wisconsin and see where it takes us. My reality complex tells me we win the former and lose the later, making all this speculation moot. Again, we'll see.

 

[demlion]

OSU will not be playing just anybody if OSU beats UM and we lose--they will be playing UW.

They already beat UW this year, 30-23. But I believe Wisky makes your team sore. Their team is hard-hitting, even if they lose.

I do not think is is a coincidence that OSU lost to us right after playing UW- I think the Badgers induce losses by hitting hard.

My guess is Meyer will not be crying if we both win. The bigger issue is WHY on earth they would be ranked higher than the conference champ which beat them?

If we get in, we should be second or 3d
Seed, but that would mean Osu plays Bama first. They won't do that because that is the title game they want.

Of course, I am pretty sure Wisky will be favored if we get to that game,anyway.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Hey Sparky... relax... just trying to engage in a conversation from a perspective that I found interesting... no anti-factual bull$hit SUBJECTIVE rhetoric intended...

Hey Sparky, you are the party that needs to "relax" and stop making claims that are represented as "factual" and are nothing of the kind and are IN FACT and REALITY, made up homer bull$hit being represented as "fact" otherwise known as "spin" - in your case, typical self-serving daO$U Shizholian homer "spin" which is recognized as the bull$hit it is everywhere outside wherever in "traditional pathetic homer shizhole-ville" you are from. So again daO$U shizhole homer Sparky, it is you who needs to "relax" and layoff of the self-serving bull$hit routine and drinking of your own Kool-Aide!

 

[UncleLar]

Hey Sparky, you are the party that needs to "relax" and stop making claims that are represented as "factual" and are nothing of the kind and are IN FACT and REALITY, made up homer bull$hit being represented as "fact" otherwise known as "spin" - in your case, typical self-serving daO$U Shizholian homer "spin" which is recognized as the bull$hit it is everywhere outside wherever in "traditional pathetic homer shizhole-ville" you are from. So again daO$U shizhole homer Sparky, it is you who needs to "relax" and layoff of the self-serving bull$hit routine and drinking of your own Kool-Aide!

Speaking of things people need to do, when are you going to learn to grow up and engage in a conversation without the childish name-calling and profanity?

 

[pierremc]

I don't think that is as black and white as you state. We play the #6 team for our championship. Clemson will be playing an unranked team and Washington will likely be playing a team ranked around #20 or so. If we win soundly and Clemson just squeaks by, I think they fall behind us.

You think a one loss Clemson would fall behind a 2 loss PSU? Lol...get a grip man.

 

[pierremc]

I have heard quite a few people say that if you do not win your conference championship, you do not deserve to be in the final four. It would never make sense to elevate a team over their conference champion. That would be nonsense. Sorry Buckeyes but you would not be in the final four if we both win out. By definition, the champion is the best team in the league, if not, drop the championship game.

That is not accurate because teams in the big ten, for example, do not play the same schedule. OSU had to play Nebraska and Wisconsin. PSU did not.

If it was a true round robin, then I would agree with you.

 

[EPC FAN]

Ah Mary. That may be true for most schools, but we are damaged goods. If Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Washington win out, and we also win out, we will be out. I am as sure of this as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.

So, the B1G Champion will be left out, while a team without even a division title goes on to the playoff. So much for the regular season meaning anything.
The NFL has it right. Every division champ is in, then 2 wild cards get in BELOW the division champs.

 

[nits74]

So, the B1G Champion will be left out, while a team without even a division title goes on to the playoff. So much for the regular season meaning anything.
The NFL has it right. Every division champ is in, then 2 wild cards get in BELOW the division champs.

I don't think his assertion is that the playoff system is flawed. What is flawed is everyone who's in power view and treatment of Penn State. That in this scenario is what will rule the day.

 

[UncleLar]

Okay, the NCAA basketball tournament has had winners that didn't win a conference Championship.
So football is a special case but may the best team win or be chosen in this case.
I hope not but a PSU or Wisconsin champ may not be in the four. Not saying they wouldn't be one of them but it's a big country and decisions to put two in the tourney would be hard to see.

Not sure what the point is that you are trying to make. You do realize that EVERY basketball conference champion, all 32 of them, get automatic bids before any of the at-large bids are handed out. If anything, that might suggest that OSU would be on the outs here before the Big Ten champ is.

 

[klemman]

The college football format is different from any other playoff format in sports, so it's very difficult to make comparisons of how things are done for March Madness or the NFL.

The bottom line is that from the get go of the FBS playoff system, the goal has been to get the four best teams into the playoffs, not the conference champions into the playoffs. Despite all the talk of how TCU/Baylor were left out in 2014, the real reason wasn't that they didn't have a championship game, it was that OSU by virtue of their 59-0 win over Wisky, was seen as the better team.

Now regarding the question by the OP, as an OSU fan I would prefer that OSU would be the actual Conference Champion. I still maintain that if PSU were to beat Wisconsin in Indianapolis, they would be likely to go as Big Champs and if the Buckeyes went it would be in addition, not instead.

 

[flavorguy]

Hey Sparky, you are the party that needs to "relax" and stop making claims that are represented as "factual" and are nothing of the kind and are IN FACT and REALITY, made up homer bull$hit being represented as "fact" otherwise known as "spin" - in your case, typical self-serving daO$U Shizholian homer "spin" which is recognized as the bull$hit it is everywhere outside wherever in "traditional pathetic homer shizhole-ville" you are from. So again daO$U shizhole homer Sparky, it is you who needs to "relax" and layoff of the self-serving bull$hit routine and drinking of your own Kool-Aide!

???????

I just asked a simple 'think about this type of scenario'.... great to have a level headed conversation. Double your Xanax dose please.

 

[YorkCoLion]

According to the tO$U fans on the Ozone, we have already lost to MSU. Oh, and tO$U would have beat PSU by three TDs if it hadn't been raining...

The posters on that site are high comedy. I highly suggest it if you enjoy reading posts dripping with delusions of grandeur.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

The college football format is different from any other playoff format in sports, so it's very difficult to make comparisons of how things are done for March Madness or the NFL.

The bottom line is that from the get go of the FBS playoff system, the goal has been to get the four best teams into the playoffs, not the conference champions into the playoffs. Despite all the talk of how TCU/Baylor were left out in 2014, the real reason wasn't that they didn't have a championship game, it was that OSU by virtue of their 59-0 win over Wisky, was seen as the better team.

Now regarding the question by the OP, as an OSU fan I would prefer that OSU would be the actual Conference Champion. I still maintain that if PSU were to beat Wisconsin in Indianapolis, they would be likely to go as Big Champs and if the Buckeyes went it would be in addition, not instead.

We are better than OSU. We dominated them in the second half. We had mire sacks on them than the rest if the league. It was not a fluke. This team is much better than anyone realized. Our demolition of Iowa and yards per rush allowed over the past several games is awesome.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The college football format is different from any other playoff format in sports, so it's very difficult to make comparisons of how things are done for March Madness or the NFL.

The bottom line is that from the get go of the FBS playoff system, the goal has been to get the four best teams into the playoffs, not the conference champions into the playoffs. Despite all the talk of how TCU/Baylor were left out in 2014, the real reason wasn't that they didn't have a championship game, it was that OSU by virtue of their 59-0 win over Wisky, was seen as the better team.

Now regarding the question by the OP, as an OSU fan I would prefer that OSU would be the actual Conference Champion. I still maintain that if PSU were to beat Wisconsin in Indianapolis, they would be likely to go as Big Champs and if the Buckeyes went it would be in addition, not instead.

Wrong. Complete made up bull$hit. TCU was not dropped 3 spots and specifically behind Baylor because of a game that had nothing whatsoever to do with them or their conference (i.e., the b1g shizhole CCG) - again, that is nothing but made-up, self-serving bull$hit, not what actually happened in reality! The Selection Committee said they dropped TCU because they did not win their own Conference's Championship and specifically dropped them behind #5 Baylor to #6 from #3 prior to "Championship Week" because 11-1 Baylor (i.e., same record as TCU) was the B12 Champion by defined league rules and B12 Champion Host of the Cotton Bowl.

Those are actual facts and reasons that the Selection Committee provided for their ranking of TCU and dropping them 3 positions and directly behind #5 B12 Champion Baylor at #6. The rationale for jumping daO$U 2 positions over B12 #5 Baylor (i.e., the impressiveness of daO$U's win in b1g CCG and the fact that #5 B12 Champion Baylor did not play Championship Week because B12 did not have a CCG format which acted as a marginal disadvantage for the B12 Champion which was BAYLOR not TCU! So it hurt BAYLOR relative to daO$U, not TCU and TCU was moved out of Top 4 and BEHIND #5 Baylor because TCU did not have a Conference Title and All 5 OF THE TEAMS IN FRONT OF THEM IN THE FINAL CFB PLAYOFF RANKING DID!!!). Please try to get your FACTS CORRECT and stop with the made-up self-serving bull$hit.

 

[flavorguy]

Wrong. Complete made up bull$hit. TCU was not dropped 3 spots and specifically behind Baylor because of a game that had nothing whatsoever to do with them or their conference (i.e., the b1g shizhole CCG) - again, that is nothing but made-up, self-serving bull$hit, not what actually happened in reality! The Selection Committee said they dropped TCU because they did not win their own Conference's Championship and specifically dropped them behind #5 Baylor to #6 from #3 prior to "Championship Week" because 11-1 Baylor (i.e., same record as TCU) was the B12 Champion by defined league rules and B12 Champion Host of the Cotton Bowl.

Those are actual facts and reasons that the Selection Committee provided for their ranking of TCU and dropping them 3 positions and directly behind #5 B12 Champion Baylor at #6. The rationale for jumping daO$U 2 positions over B12 #5 Baylor (i.e., the impressiveness of daO$U's win in b1g CCG and the fact that #5 B12 Champion Baylor did not play Championship Week because B12 did not have a CCG format which acted as a marginal disadvantage for the B12 Champion which was BAYLOR not TCU! So it hurt BAYLOR relative to daO$U, not TCU and TCU was moved out of Top 4 and BEHIND #5 Baylor because TCU did not have a Conference Title and All 5 OF THE TEAMS IN FRONT OF THEM IN THE FINAL CFB PLAYOFF RANKING DID!!!). Please try to get your FACTS CORRECT and stop with the made-up self-serving bull$hit.

Deep breaths, Franklin.... Deep Breaths.... Go to your Happy Place....

 

[flavorguy]

So Franklin_Needs_A_Xanax: This was the exact scenario I posed before your meltdown. OSU beats Michigan by a close margin. Who does OSU want to win between PSU-MSU?

My premise was that OSU / Urban would want PSU to beat MSU due to the fact that OSU at a comfortable #2 keeps themselves at # 2 without the risk of losing to W on a neutral field. A MSU win would have forced OSU to replay UW - and OSU offense at this time is pretty inconsistent.

So looked what happened - OSU squeaks by UM at home in 2 OT, PSU wins big against MSU, and OSU is still basically guaranteed a 2 irregardless of any other game outcomes this coming weekend.

Do you still think OSU would want to play this weekend where a win is meaningless but a loss knocks you out of the National Championship?